World at War Mafia

On March 23 2010 02:52 ~OpZ~ wrote:

But how do you prove you can post coherently while sitting out?

-_-
Personally I liked many of bills post, when they weren't spammed one liners. L wasn't lying Bill, it made you look like you were trying to hide something. Seriously, we can't have spam like that going on forever, but I think we should give him a chance. Ace's call, and I'm gonna assume he's gonna stand by it.

On March 24 2010 00:44 Amber[LighT] wrote:


yah he's going to hop right in and steer the town away from victory.

this is repetitive behavior and it's best to just nip it in the butt and get rid of the excess of retard in this game.

On March 24 2010 00:55 Caller wrote:
Well guys, in case nobody noticed, before we can lynch anybody, a nuke has to be launched, or day won’t end. Seeing as how nobody else has been an obvious target, I propose that we "nuke" L this turn around. As town, we need more information, and the best way of getting information is by killing a few people. For instance, we don’t have any idea what possible roles there are, aside from our own. More importantly, he won’t be able to contribute to town for a good 40 or so hours. By which, of course, the day would have ended, timewise, unless we nuke somebody to postpone it another 24 hours. And if necessary, we can always delay the day by nuking someone that’s already being nuked, or somebody without any nukes can launch a “nuke” to prolong the day.

In fact, the best way to go about this is for somebody without any actual nukes to nuke L. This will postpone the day and give us a lynch without raising ToD or killing L in the event he is town. Since a nuke has to go off to progress the day at all, a fake nuke at this point would be the best. We should save our real nukes for when we need them.

On March 24 2010 01:17 Amber[LighT] wrote:


Read Nikon's post. You need a lynch or no lynch to end the day, not the other way around.

And I'm not accusing L because of past game performance. I'm accusing L because he is the "most" inactive player for the next two days. Why keep him around anyway if he's going to not contribute. When he's unbanned chances are he will continue to muck up the thread with his "stellar" analysis.

On March 24 2010 02:39 Versatile wrote:
well then, it's time to decide how many nukes are going to be lobbed then, aye?

there needs to be an established game plan, asap. if there isn't, as soon as the first nuke is launched, there's going to be mass-hysteria and confusion. mafia will take advtange of this. there must be a plan of action that can be carried out right away if/when this happens, and people need to know the consequences for their actions.

otherwise, this is what's going to happen:

person A: ##nuke your mafia ass, person B.
person B: oh hell nah, ##nuke your ass back, person A.
mafia 1: wth, person A and person B, what y'all doing? ##nuke both your hoe asses.


this needs to be decided and set in stone RIGHT AWAY. if a nuke is launched before it is, give up all hope of town order as far as nuking goes.

@ this point, i haven't see a single reason why someone wouldn't nuke. someone could do it, and say oopsie daisy, kill me if you want. and then you have to convince 12 people to lynch this lone wolf. and who knows how many mafia are even in this game who can screw with that count?

i applaud the efforts of zona and whoever else so far, but we need faster action.

On March 24 2010 02:55 Zona wrote:

I said in an earlier post that at least a portion of anti-nukes needs to be saved for the late game in case mafia decides that the numbers are in their favor and tries to nuking to finish off most of the remaining town members. If we had a policy of always spending anti-nukes on every nuke that is launched, we could go into the late game having used most or all of them up. Perhaps mafia could even launch fake nukes early on to consume anti-nukes just for this purpose.


@Ver, I do think my plan is superior and would definitely be happy if my plan was "set in stone" but I'm not going to be like incognito and just declare it to be so. Other town members are welcome to consider it and point out flaws in it, as L did with the first version.

@XeliN. If we decided only to lynch nuke-initiators, what if two people initiate with nukes over the course of one day? Plus lynching is a lot less reliable, and needs a lot more coordination to pull off than revenge-nuking. If you can get the entire town on board with the idea to lynch the first nuke initiator and then revenge-nuke any subsequent ones, then that would be an improvement to the plan. But I suspect with a closed setup game like this there's probably some roles with extra hidden votes or some other way to mess with lynch votes.

On March 24 2010 06:30 nemY wrote:
Can someone summarize what's gone on so far? What I can make of it so far is: L's been banned. we're adopting a "no nuke" policy, if someone breaks the policy we nuke them 2x, don't use fake nukes (if you have them), and ~OpZ~ is being an idiot?

On March 24 2010 06:48 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
Regarding lynching nukers, we should always lynch the aggressor. If the person being nuked retaliates with nukes, then not lynching is dangerous because there may be anti-nukes in the air directed at either party. A way to sidestep this is to evenly vote for each player (11 on each) such that if one player gets protected, he is lynched anyway because the other target is invalid. However, this does have the potential to result in a wasted lynch if no anti-nukes are fired. In addition, it requires full town participation which seems unlikely to me. However, it does sound better than the alternative of waiting for the nukes to fall and then voting, because the time frame will be very small and thus more subject to vote swings from the mafia, since they are organized.

if anyone has a better solution than that, speak up (there must be a better one, i just can't think of it right now). but we need to avoid entangling nukes.

Regarding lynching L: it is stupid. We wouldn't be voting for him if he wasn't temp banned. We should be voting for people that we think are mafia. People that stick out to me are anyone voting for L. And Nemy for feigning ignorance.

On the same token, not lynching anyone the first night is just as stupid. Anyone who suggests this is either dumb, mafia, or both.

On March 25 2010 13:37 Bill Murray wrote:
I haven't heard much from Meeple.
Mod, could you prod meeple?

On March 25 2010 15:20 johnnyspazz wrote:
opz, you had 4 votes on you MAX lol jesus you are bad
you really need to check your facts before you spew your nonsense
i pushed for abenson cause he was ALWAYS ahead of you in the vote count
you can't really blame me for doubting abenson, he was failing pretty hard

On March 25 2010 15:27 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Just to remention this again in a separate post. I think most of the thoughts towards nuking were ill conceived. A town consensus on nuking would never be reached, and not using our nukes for more than one day would be dumb. Although I like how this is turning out so far even if i die.

On March 25 2010 15:54 Zona wrote:
Thank you for that response to the latter part of my post, meeple. Please respond to the middle portion which I will repost here.



I see no good reason for you to delay naming your "obviously better targets" based on criteria other than being inactive, so perhaps you could kindly name them now? The biggest strike against tree.hugger seems to be that he hasn't posted much, along with the vote for L without a post to back it up. It will give the town the benefit of your analysis and show how I was mistaken to focus on inactives. Please do recall that I pointed out RoL when he only had 3 posts, all of them content-free.

On March 25 2010 07:56 Iaaan wrote:
##Vote: RebirthOfLegend

Voting for L is dumb because we wont learn anything other than his role, since he hasn't been able to post.

I propose that, in order to extend the day, someone without nukes could launch a fake nuke. Thoughts? I was going to write a bit more, but I figured I should bring up the idea for discussion first.

On March 25 2010 19:03 Bill Murray wrote:
Irrelevant as soon as he launched that nuke.

On March 25 2010 21:48 ~OpZ~ wrote:


I can understand it
=/

He knows he's not mafia. He wants to feel involved. And he has pointed out his suspicion of a good player. Whether he is an idiot or not, only time will tell. I would love to hear a serious post from caller. (I lol'd massively at his response to the nuke)

Remember Amber, I've pretty much said I would do the something similar....

On March 26 2010 01:10 Versatile wrote:



all hail the return of the noble and wise L, who can't even get the rules right. smh.

On March 26 2010 04:54 Bill Murray wrote:
I am suspicious of those who normally contribute a lot, are online right now, and are not contributing *looks over at meeple*

On March 26 2010 22:43 JeeJee wrote:
##enchantNuke:lightning
##launchEnchantedNuke:flamewheel91

but seriously, posts like that can affect the game dude. some idiot can read them and go "OH OK!!!" and launch a nuke. well i bet if someone were to do that they would've launched a nuke anyway but who knows, right? i'd rather not egg them on.

anyway, i would like to draw attention to meeple. how are you doing buddy? what do you think about this situation, what are your suspicions, what's your suggested course of action? you haven't posted in a while so i hope you can contribute
Thanks!
-Shinbi

On March 26 2010 16:39 Bill Murray wrote:
Nikon: Sorry, I got Bulgaria confused with Romania.

Tree.Hugger: That was not the best course of action that you could have pursued. Just because L was putting FoS on you, you didn't have to crack under the pressure. I understand that many people would be mod-killed for what he said to you, but that doesn't warrant you ruining the game for the rest of the world here!

I would like to live, while having the green earth prevail; however, I care more about the world winning than myself. My nation doesn't have any special abilities, but I could counter-nuke someone if you all would want me to.


WHAT I PROPOSE:

Lynch Abenson solely to give the town someone to build a circle around with ~OpZ~. I find it highly unlikely that masons would be on different sides given the format that we are using.

On March 27 2010 23:16 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Have we gotten any real posts of opinions from amber or d3_crescentia?

Also, if you have an anti-nuke PLEASE god save L again. Look this is retarded to argue he's mafia. And when he pops green EVERY SINGLE PERSON who has pointed their finger at him will have a problem: To explain why they wanted him dead so hard before he had gotten back from his ban.

Inactivity?! L as BM has said, L has made more posts than most people in this thread, and HE WAS GONE FOR 48 HOURS! Oh, and the difference between L's posts and most other peoples posts? HIS ARE NOT DEVOID OF CONTENT.

Points for saving L
-most likely green (he was getting bussed for being inactive, rofl)
-has posted plenty of useful information, and probably outed a mafia or two already


Also, where has Zona gone?!?!?

On March 28 2010 05:06 Bill Murray wrote:
The mafia are trying to hide the fact that L nabbed them pretty much on his first day....

can we go with his list? he was right last game.

On March 28 2010 06:24 XeliN wrote:
Grrrr, I'm almost certain this is not an intelligent thing to say but I'm irritated. I'm North Korea, I am pro-town and I shot the nuke, I had one nuke that I could fire anomynously and chose Elemenope because I'm fairly sure he's mafia. Other suspects I had in mind were Caller and Bill but they were more suspicions and I was more sure of LMNOP.

Now start the moaning about how bad I am and what a stupid thing it was to do, but I have a question, who shot it down and why?

On March 28 2010 07:56 tree.hugger wrote:


I think you're being way too charitable (suspiciously charitable?) to a nuke fired anonymously at someone who really hadn't incurred any suspicion at all, and was actually being fairly helpful.

XeliN you can be helpful by explaining why you were seriously sure LMNOP was mafia.

On March 29 2010 01:16 XeliN wrote:
Just for some perspective, I did launch a nuke without town consensus although I can't do so again as I only had one nuke that I was allowed to launch in secret. I actually was of the impression that it meant no-one would be informed about the nuke and not have the option of anti-nuking, didn't explain in role and I assumed. In retrospect it's been wasted now .

Also The nuke I have launched has been anti-nuked as well as the anti-nuker not coming forward and explaining why, now this doesn't say so much in itself as a town anti-nuker certainly has good reason not to come forward assuming they have more anti-nukes or even just to not give the mafia information, but still worth considering.

Someone asked to expound on my believing LMNOP to be mafia, the whole OpZ Abenson thing was the most important in swaying, once OpZ came out as being homosexual Mason. It seemed fairly obvious when considering the hypothetical of them being mafia, that they were legitimate and yet lMNOP attempted to continue to have Abenson lynched. This in itself could go both ways like OpZ in that you could say "if it was so obvious then the mafia would not risk trying to carry on with lynching him" however, at the time there was still a large number of votes on Abenson and a legitimate chance of having him lynched.

To compound that, his immediate jump to accusing me of launching the anonymous nuke (before I so cleverly came out and admitted) seems suspicious in and of itself. If he was a townie he would not be so sure where it came from, peoples roles are a mystery suspicion is everywhere and you can't be sure on anything especially so early on in the game. He immediately said it was me, and if you read the wording he was pretty firm, this seems mafialike to me. Also he clearly outlined why I had found him suspicious in the same post, this is interesting as it is his first response to my suspicions, before the nuke and his post accusing me of launching it he had given no response whatsoever choosing to ignore.

So there those are my reasons.

Just to further clarify, I've left off giving a big explanation post so we can have some time to see peoples posts before hand.

I have claimed North Korea, Already you know NK has the ability to launch nukes anonymously. Do you really think this ability would go to mafia? Either I am not NK (in which case the real one should come forward as it would out me as mafia essentially) or I am townie, in this case kim jong townie.

On March 29 2010 01:24 ~OpZ~ wrote:
p.s.....I want to nuke you...I want to nuke you good...but I think the town wants me to hold off...I had forgot about you for a sec...I propose Xelin for lynch tomorrow...

All Opposed?

All For?

On March 29 2010 01:27 Zona wrote:
All these edits in the thread...do we not have rules? Can I just go edit my own posts and blame some sort of mistake as well?

On March 29 2010 10:16 ~OpZ~ wrote:

You don't suspect Tree.Hugger?
LMNOP didn't?
L didn't?
Meeple didn't?
Versatile doesn't?
I didn't?

Ehhhh?
Plan I just came up with works brilliant...Just launch another 3-6 nukes at Tree.Hugger and break the game. That simple.

On March 30 2010 02:19 Versatile wrote:
so nikon is going to live until day 2 for sure. either he's mafia, or just a dumbass towny who's got all our attention so the mafia isn't going to kill him.

mafia is probably going to kill one of us active players, so i suggest we all put in the thread what we want the town to know going forth without us before night ends.

my top suspects:
iaaan
caller
amberlight
d3_crescentia

and to a lesser extent:
nikon
fishball


i would like these people to address why they shouldn't be lynched tomorrow. except caller and iaaan. no changing my mind about either of you.

On March 30 2010 04:02 Nikon wrote:


He accused me? I pointed out his incosistant posting... look it up.

Also check closely what you quoted as well... surprisingly, the person to attack me, stated reasons for why the mafia won't kill me tonight.

:-)