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For Town: Go over the thread SERIOUSLY. I am currently at page 48. Iaaan is almost certainly mafia, in every one of his posts so far he has advocated lynching, nuking, letting die or pointed suspicion at people who turned out to be townie. Haster27 similarly frequently argued against people who flipped Green//Blue, Zona went to extraordinary lengths to try to get RoL lynched early on in the game, he flipped green I'd forgotten how hard he tried to get this going.
I am still certain Nikon is townie and stand by what I said that nothing he has posted (up to page 48) is something I would expect mafia to do.
I don't really know why I am bothering at this point, I'm going to be lynched and with both the inactives and the certain amazing town player of Abenson and OpZ (in the 1% chance that they flip Red then I will concede they played well, actually I won't concede OpZ did, telling someone to rot in hell is maliciously insulting and the fact I have been warned for something that didn't even break any single rule yet he can write things like this without so much as a warning is seriously annoying + Show Spoiler + It got to me more than I would care to admit but in my eyes he is a massive cunt for doing so and I'm not even religious
I'm gonna leave it there, Go over the thread, try to win, or barring that just launch mass nukes and force a draw.
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Did it both on a whim and also to provoke responses to try to have more concrete ideas on peoples roles, didn't expect it to have the result where everyone jump lynches as I thought at this stage lynching people who actually show signs of mafia would be more important than following some rule of "lynch people who launch unagreed nukes"
Basically I expected the town to realise the position we are in means policy lynches, or even emotional lynches are not in their best interest, this has clearly failed.
Oh as I can ##Vote Iaaan
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On April 01 2010 05:11 haster27 wrote:Highlighted for emphasis just in case someone missed it. Also, all the suspects I have advocated were all those who had went against the anti-nuke policy. Now if some Townies had not decided to play stupidly and nuke player which most of them turned out to be green, my strategy would have lynched Mafia pretty effectively.
If you are townie your strategy was idiotic as the mafia are unlikely even to have any nukes, and if they do they are sparse.
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Abenson, if your going to try to grasp ideas start with this one, Would Ace give a mafia member the ability to lanuch nukes anonymously at a town member of their choice. If you come through with the logical conclusion "No he would not, in fact he is unlikely even to give them nukes" then you are left with the result "XeliN is not Mafia"
So starting with this idea "XeliN is not Mafia" then work towards logical conclusions based on what has been posted in this thread.
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Neway I throw in the towl at this point GG.
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I'm going to take back the towl and instead chuck in this towel i stumbled upon.
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I explained why I fake nuked zona in a post on the last page, It was a spur of the moment descision and I kinda liked the idea of potentially keeping the mafia in a state of panic as to whether it was real or not.
I don't care if you do not want to hear how I think ace set up this game, it is important to emphasise. The mafia clearly have a roleblocker ability, Ace simply would not give them the ability to anonymously nuke even if they didn't have roleblocker, obviously I can know this 100% as I know my own role and alignment but It seems something so inherently obvious that I can't understand why you would dismiss it and any attempts to rationalise how this game was set up.
Earlier on in the thread Ace wrote that he would not specify certain things because he wanted the town to use their heads on how the game was structured and how roles//actions are implemented and achieved. Do so...
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I have a feeling this entire game might wind up being some form of elaborate april fools....
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My arguments are not based on the mod when I say "Ace would not do this" you could easily substitute "Incognito" "Flamewheel" e.t.c.. i simply mean a mafia host would not do this when i argue in that way.
Like you have said most of what I'm asserting is based upon the mod not handicapping either side and creating a balanced game.
And saying you can't take any of my arguments seriously because of one aspect of what I am arguing (game structure) is illogical, would be like me saying I can't take any argument you bring up seriously because earlier on in the thread you made an argument I disagreed with.
You need better reasoning.
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And to the town do you really think if I was mafia that my fellows would let me get jump lynched so easily without anyone chiming in defending or shifting the vote//attention? Setting aside every reason I have given to show I am clearly not mafia this alone ought to persuade you to cast your vote elsewhere.
Any townie voting for me now is both wasting their vote and a the slim chance we might have of salvaging this game.
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Also to add for reasons go back in time and see that I removed my vote from RoL for this same reason when almost everyone else was voting for him and he turned out to be townie.
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This was the description of the busdriver role from last game:
Bus Driver
Twice per game, you get to switch the actions on two players. For example, if the Bus Driver switches A and B, where A and B are players, and A is killed and B is role checked, A will be role checked and B will be killed instead. A Bus Drivers' alignment is ambiguous. That means they can be town-aligned, mafia-aligned, neither, or both.
No matter the alignment of the Bus Driver, he or she will show up as Bus Driver to role checks. However, mafia-aligned Bus Drivers do not know who the mafia are, and win only if the mafia wins.
Also nice to see votes being used on others but it seems unwise to use them on someone who has roleclaimed, and given an account of actions they have used. Sure he could be lying but a lynch would be bettter spent elsewhere.
Not sure why people haven't even responded to the consideration than Iaaan is mafia, if you check over the thread ever single person he argued for being killed in some way turned out to be green. He has somewhat lurked in the shadows, similar to how Zona and Elemenope are doing now yet popping up to make accusations.
His mention that "I have a special role without saying too much i both can't be nuked as well as another ability"
Iaaan either take the time to come up with an actual roleclaim giving your country, description and ability, sure if your mafia this will be hard but it is more believable than your current assertion, or if town simply outline your role.
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Caller beat me too the first bit and Zona pre-empted me 
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I agree with you OpZ about a mass roleclaim only being beneficial to the town at this point. Force the mafia to pretend, if they claim blue then make them give an account of their actions or depending on the abilities they claim to have will be easy to verify them, if they claim green then we can put them down as people who should be lynched before anyone who claimed blue.
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His refusal to post anything is actually making me doubt my action although only slightly, if he was mafia I would have expected him to post more, especially given how he was at the beggining of the game and we all know mafia like to try and stay consistent throughought. Also kinda wish I had saved it for Iaaan (Yeh it's real, thats fairly blatant at this point)
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Ah well, fail my only solace is at least Zona also made a mistake as it seems clear he was the one who killed Meeple, kinda wish he had confirmed this before death as doing so now is probably against the rules.
BTW i accept this nuke was exceptionally dumb and not pro-town, if Zona flipped red that wouldn't have changed things and I used my second nuke so very badly, I maintain the one on Elemenope was good however and will remain adamant on that.
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As of now I'm going to follow any lynch vote that Abenson and OpZ choose to go with assuming they both vote for the same person, they are the only confirmed townies as of now and as such I'm gonna stop my style of simply going with my own whims, clearly this is dumb. Other than myself however, mafia or town obviously I won't vote for me I <3 me alive more than dead.
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