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~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
March 09 2010 14:49 GMT
#33
I dunno if I want to play yet...But

Execute: flamewheel91

MWUWHHAHAHA WHO WILL HOST NOW?!!?
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
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United States3652 Posts
March 09 2010 16:02 GMT
#36
Ban list is also at hosts discretion.....So I suppose you could ask Flamewheel?
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
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United States3652 Posts
March 09 2010 20:44 GMT
#53
ya sign me up
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
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United States3652 Posts
March 10 2010 04:27 GMT
#143
Shush and get lynched!
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
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United States3652 Posts
March 10 2010 04:30 GMT
#145
No....Just talking to bill....Lol...I support lynching him....Nothing to do with L.....
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
March 10 2010 04:41 GMT
#149
....7 Mafia....huh....vs 18 blue/townies....Riiiiight
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
March 10 2010 04:58 GMT
#158
Counting bus drivers...
I guess...
I dunno...

Citi.zen is just crazy? Plausible..
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
March 11 2010 02:19 GMT
#272
On March 11 2010 01:58 Zona wrote:
I plan on ignoring BM for the entire game, his posts and PMs - and I suggest the town does the same, rather than wasting the first lynch.

If BM is mafia - keeping him alive will probably hurt the mafia a lot in the long run, so there's the benefit there. If BM is town - it's a waste of a lynch to get rid of him, as otherwise we could have gained more information somewhere else.

The day 1 lynch needs to be a natural vote, not based on factors external to this particular game, so that these votes later can be scrutinized for possible mafia activity.

On March 11 2010 04:15 Versatile wrote:
one thing i've noticed in these games is that there's always someone/ multiple people calling for someone to be lynch because of said person's performance in another game.

each game is different, and while someone may just really be a dumbass, i really don't see the point of deciding who to lynch before we've even had elections based on their actions in another game.

let's lynch people playing stupidly and scummy in THIS game.


BM Defenders must Die....

If BM is mafia, we kill Versatile and Zona....Agreed?
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
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United States3652 Posts
March 11 2010 03:45 GMT
#300
On March 11 2010 07:17 Fulgrim wrote:
It isn't safe for normal mafia to run for office, so they won't do that, the main danger here is GF. (Being unfamiliar with the busdriver rules, a mafia aligned one could switch the DT check off the elected official maybe?) Regardless we want to avoid getting a GF into office. Right now we have JeeJee, L, and BC running for office, chances are one of them is going to be GF. I'm going to withhold my vote until I see some more from the candidates or if there are anymore people that announce their campaign.


Mafia get to select GF AFTER the election. So if a normal mafia runs, they would just make that mafia member the GF if he wins or comes close to winning.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
March 11 2010 16:55 GMT
#353
On March 11 2010 11:45 L wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2010 11:34 Incognito wrote:
On March 11 2010 11:12 L wrote:
ermm, ace was innocent last game so that example actually goes against your argument.
Yeah, hence why Ace's actions were misleading. But the issue is that while he looked like the GF, he wasn't fooling anyone but the town. In the end he got shot for it.

If a member of the mafia wins mayor/pardonner, isn't it GUARANTEED that he'll be the Godfather?
Not even remotely. Mafia can grab both spots, put the goon in the mayor role, have him swing around with his 3 votes for a day or 2, then have the GF pardoner gain credibility by pushing the lynch of the mayor. Then lategame comes, we're in a lylo situation and... oh shit, we can't lynch because he pardons.

The reason why they can't is the threat of having DTs check both, yet people are here saying "well, its useless to check". Wrong. checking is the threat itself, and there's a 100% chance that you find someone legit in either mayor or pardoner.

If the GF goes up, what role does he take? What if his counterpart is blue and gets confirmed through role usage? Can the GF have his team hit the BGs in order to take out the confirmed protected blue? If he does, he needs to kill both BGs or reveal a goon (or just reveals a goon), then he needs a GOOD reason for why HE isn't dead the next day.

Either way, the threat of checking both elected positions is massive, especially because if a GF doesn't run, then you have a set of DTs and protected blues that have tools to confirm each other. A medic mayor, for instance, who blocks a hit is a huge "oh shit" moment for mafia. Letting two potential blues have that position is also huge. Additionally, there's the question of 'what blue'? Who does the GF take? If he's a safe role, why would he run for mayor? If he's an active role, he needs to lie carefully and can be found out if he tries to claim.

And that's another point; Pretty much any blue that gets elected is probably going to claim immediately. So the GF can't fucking putz around.

You guys simply don't see how powerful having a blue office holder that can be checked is. Qatol was shitting bricks about it earlier, which is why the BGs are public, but we can abuse that too. Just wait, champs. Think for a bit and build a strategy given our game format; its highly abusable.


Uh a bit confusing here. But what happens if the GF just picks green? Nothing to prove and nothing to hide. How do we abuse that instance?

Why the fuck are you running for mayor as green?


L "Admitting" he's blue, by scolding incog about running for mayor as green. His logic makes a little sense....we can only confirm greens on death....Riiiiight....Okay...So lets vote L...

On March 11 2010 13:52 Vivi57 wrote:
citizen, I agree with L. In a game where we can have CONFIRMED blues in office, only the blues should be running. Yes, it sucks if the mafia manage to get the gf into office, but the power of having an unkillable blue is just too much to pass up on. Having a green run also dilutes the pro town votes towards mayor

NO

This IS NOT HOW THINGS WORK.
Let's just give all of our power roles away?! Lulz! FTW.

Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
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United States3652 Posts
March 11 2010 17:31 GMT
#355
On March 11 2010 23:03 L wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2010 18:34 Bill Murray wrote:
He insinuated he was a detective, and BloodyC0bbler PM'ed Vivi57 (so vivi says) saying he was a detective too. In my post above, in the top spoiler, BloodyC0bbler says he doubts that there would be more than 1 detective with the amount of rolechecks he can do in the current system. I would also rather someone PM claim than try to claim on the thread by hinting at something. In the second part of my post, in the bolded sections, it is important to read where L actually said "if the other DT wants to check him, that's fine" the -other- dt.

I'm re-iterating something that Zona caught through this post. MY purpose is that we do not need to trust L. He almost had me convinced he wasn't the Godfather.... if he dies, and he's the detective, we can pretty much catch the Godfather.. Bloodyc0bbler. Bloodyc0bbler himself said that he only believed there would be one detective.

Speak up, guys

L, BloodyC0bbler


WHICH ONE OF YOU IS IT?

maybe you all are used to liars in office, but i'm sick of it. it doesn't have to be this way.


I am hereby announcing my campaign for the Mayoral position. I pray that I am not diluting the mayoral pool with another town aligned player; it'd be nice if i didn't jeopardize the other truly town aligned players by taking votes from them, but that's the only way that I am for sure going to be able to stay alive in this game. Do the right things, guys, change the world and save my life.


1) Your bullshit here is obviously some self-serving stunt to survive.

2) No one should overtly claim until we have BG protection.

3) Given that you shouldn't run unless you have a role that can abuse the protection, did you just claim to be some form of blue?

4) Don't see how you're pro-town by building a candidacy purely on "I don't want to die and I don't like anyone else" without putting down any real non accusatory content.

I now feel L is mafia.

-_-
At any rate, him or BC is probably. Having them Role Check each other won't work either. FML.

Sorry L, he caught you claiming DT on day one. Sorry you didn't do it "overtly," but you indirectly claimed DT, which might as well be doing it directly if we caught on.

Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
March 11 2010 17:42 GMT
#357
On March 12 2010 02:21 L wrote:
That however, relies on the ability of us to focus our only medic on the BGs, which means that roleclaimed non-office blues present us with protection problems; Unless we have a bus claim to a confirmed office member, we can't really protect both extra and intra office blues. This is why I didn't want people explicitly claiming, and that's why it didn't matter if I said people shouldn't run as green: the candidacies were already in and no one had claimed at that point, so we were ironclad.

If you guys think that my refusal to tell you what role I am is presents some sort of odd scumtell; you're retarded. You guys simply haven't been thinking about how to win. There's more to mafia than not have town members die; you need to develop a plan forward with the aim of winning otherwise you lose. This game has no clues, it has no list checks, it has very little kp on both teams. Its going to last for quite a while, so think ahead to days 3-4. Unlike in previous games wherein the game is basically over by then, that's simply not the case here. I personally have a plan that's almost assured to have us win. Once elected, I want a DT check thrown at me with a PM once they know my role. At that point, it should be pretty obvious what I'm trying to do from the DT's perspective and the town will have a relatively safe way to roleclaim.

That said, there's a potential mafia bus driver problem, but I can get around that if I'm elected by using our bus and a few pms. I'll explain further during the night, and I'll need a few people to trust me, but if everything works out the game's pretty much won for town.

It ignores the Bus Driver of doom, occuring on the BGs. Using them against role check of mayor = stupid. Bus driving a BG, = Smart. Needs coordination though, but like I said, Vivi is the Bus Driver.
=P
The don Boss L?

Bad idea for the "other dt." Don't PM him. We can't trust him. Well fuck it. Pm him. If you show up dead we kill L. Plain and simple. DO IT, DO IT!!!!! Seriously, I'll follow through with that revenge lynch even if the dt dies by random. 2/20 people and dt gets picked, FAIL.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
March 11 2010 17:44 GMT
#358
FML DID NOT MEAN TO POST THAT RIGHT THERE

Arghhhh Now another post to post in the fucking archives ><

On March 11 2010 14:03 Incognito wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2010 14:00 L wrote:
On March 11 2010 13:58 Incognito wrote:
Awesome. Another out of the blue vote for the Cobbler. Anybody care to explain?

Anybody care to explain why these phantom voters like you/cobbler over me?



You're getting a decent amount of love. You and I have been posting frequently enough. But BC seems to have just made one giant post and then not that much else since.


One giant post that ran in circles and didn't truly say much iirc...
On March 11 2010 14:27 Vivi57 wrote:
oh and I think it'll be very obvious very quickly if he's trying to pull fake rolechecks

I GOT BUS DRIVET'd

-_-

Seriously...That's the only argument the mayor/pardoner has to make if they say they used their ability (medic) and still died.
Whomever the detective is, RC whoever the mayor/pardoner claims to have "protected." If they are DT, rc who ever they rc.

p.s. Flamewheel, their shoulda been 3 bg's, or only one bus driver lol
=(

On March 11 2010 14:49 johnnyspazz wrote:
as long as both of them aren't green or red, i think our town is bound to win!

Mayor can be killed by night 2.

Very easily. Not to mention one of the BG's could be mafia.

On March 11 2010 15:32 Vivi57 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2010 14:32 L wrote:
On March 11 2010 14:27 Vivi57 wrote:
oh and I think it'll be very obvious very quickly if he's trying to pull fake rolechecks

So you're basically trying to claim DT for him without him actually claiming it.

OK.

I'm going to sleep, but this is pretty hilarious.

No I *am* claiming dt for him

you've claimed "not green" and expect to be mayor, don't really see much difference.


Stop being retarded. Believing him that he is DT....

He just showtime'd you. And you'll be butt hurt by the end of the game. And think about it, WHY would he claim to you. Because you look townie? I does it for the Lulz.
On March 11 2010 18:01 Bill Murray wrote:
is it just me or are L and BloodyC0bbler both claiming DT?

I'd like to reference this post: "+ Show Spoiler +
there are most likely only 1 of each blue role, i would keep that in mind. 2 meds could perma protect someone in this game, so most likely only one. Dt's have unlimited rc's so most likely only 1. Hatter has 2 kp (with bombs) so most likely is only one hatter, or 1-2 vigi's as having both roles would have too high a KP (would be more than the mafia in one night). Possibly 1 vet, millers 1-2.
"


Do you want a Mafia mayor? Why are you all voting for BloodyC0bbler or L? We need to have neither of them in office, or at most one as pardoner, and figure out which of them is the real detective based upon SOMEONE ELSE roleclaiming through a hit or protection. We can PM one of them to check that person, and they only have a certain percentage of guessing it correctly if they are mafia.

Given this turn of events, I feel it is necessary for Incognito and PREFERABLY someone else to be in office together. When I say someone else, I mean someone needs to step up to the plate and garner the town's votes. I don't trust either one of these guys until we can confirm them. I am more wary of a donkey in a lion's skin than the actual lion himself.

in response to : + Show Spoiler +
On March 11 2010 12:40 Zona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2010 12:26 citi.zen wrote:
On March 11 2010 05:04 L wrote:
I got a role that makes me want mayor. Mayor is DT checkable in this game, keep that in mind, so even if the other DT wants to check, he can, then the confirmed train can go to town. Mafia will be forced to burn through bodyguards, and if they have a member he'll become pretty obvious after the kill.

So yeah, I'm still planning on killing Bill Murray and I think I'm a pretty cool guy, so vote for me.

In terms of plans; You guys must be joking if you think that killing the town driver is a good idea. The town driver can literally swap mafia hit BACK AT MAFIA. ITS ABSOLUTELY BALLS OFF THE WALL AWESOME.

After I'm elected, I've got a small roleclaim based play to go with; I'll ask DTs to check certain people during the night so that we can get groups started. Should be a pretty simple game from there.


Might as well roleclaim at this point so we can confirm you one way or another. Or not. You've said too much already and are a mafia target anyway. If you are DT I do not want you dead.

Considering his sentence includes "the other DT"...it seems like he's claiming DT.

The thing is - we probably only have one DT.


It's pretty clear that hes outlining a scenario with two dt's not RCing. L will run for office in any game, and specifically said he had a fun role, that would more imply he got a KP role, or bus driver.

The example of the "other dt" or "second dt" has already been used by multiple people thus far.


Really, L?
I believe the last game got to your head.
I like you, I'm sorry it happened that way, my bad.
I was wrong.

"Fun Role" = The Boss, Mafia Godfather!
But BM, reread what you're quoting, and holy fuck. L did claim DT too. hahahahhahahahahahahahaha. BC and L claiming DT?!

This is epic. Because we all know L would get the GF role if he was mafia, as would BC. Lololol. It's a guarantee now, even if one loses the election. But that's just fucking great if we got two DT's this game and they both just Role claimed.
About the amounts in the game, remember tho BM, that's just a thought. That isn't concrete. Another suggestion had like 2 of almost every role that seemed just as plausibly, so stop arguing against voting them. Mayor's are EASILY killed this game. That's the easy part.

AND AMAZING CATCH BM. AMAZING.

and you're the only one who noticed that he not only claimed blue, but claimed DT...Do remember though, this is how L got redtooth in Incog's game cuz redtooth made a syntax error in a post and it was like he "admitted" he was mafia....

But regardless "the other dt can check me" is kind of a bold statement.

I didn't notice L said that.
And also, if a miller gets office, LULZ.

Oh, and Vivi for Mafia aligned bus driver. That's my guess for this game.
On March 12 2010 00:41 XeliN wrote:
If Bill gets a vote and I end up with none I'm going to have to invest in some razor blades.

Out of all the candidates so far, apart from me cos I already know I'm town, Incognito seems to be the strongest candidate.

That said if BC//L are legitimately claiming blue roles and they do not get into office then they may end up being prime targets for the Mafia to hit so I would suggest medic protection on them might not be a bad thing until the DT's can verify, although I wouldn't put it past them to claim that just to try get into office whether town or mafia.

We can't afford medic protection on them. maybe bus driver....But we can't protect them. Protection is for the BG's...
The town will be forced to play this without our "vets" that we love.

GG, L, Incog, BC. If any of you live without being mayor (one of you most certainly will live through atleast one night), I shall be greatly surprised.

Deadly format for cruelty, but face it everyone, we all must step up and go after the mafia. Even if they aren't here to help us. So, with that said, if the vets would like to post some ideas that we should follow to win with this format, please do!
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
March 12 2010 16:39 GMT
#449
Sorry guys, for the inactive after going through the whole thread yesterday. Had a mid term, I'm on spring break starting Monday, so I can be extremely active then. (Probably will be.) Girlfriend just broke up with me too, and now I gotta go work 12 to 8. Yea...

Life is a beach.

So don't kill BM L. Don't DO IT!
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
March 13 2010 06:47 GMT
#539
PM from JeeJee. I didn't reply the first time. The only reply I did was the top one asking him if he's aware he's being suspicious as fuck and he's retarded if he's mafia. I dunno. Sorry if you're not mafia JeeJee, but god damn, I figure if you are you pming me this will get me killed anyway.
+ Show Spoiler +
To: JeeJee [ Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Re: Fw: hey
Date: 3/13/10 15:28
Is it not extremely suspicious mass switching votes before the right at the end? I could just change it now. I really don't get why wait right to the end. This is suspect as fuck JeeJee....But you pming me is kind of retarded if you are mafia....

lol...I dunno...L looks suspect as shit. No lie there.

-----------------------------------------
Original Message:
hey
i am really not trusting L at the moment, and am anxious to see him not get into office. at the moment it looks like i will be switching to incog to push L out (and I trust incog), since c0bbs looks to be in for a role barring some major changes in the votes
do you agree with my thinking on L?
what do you think about switching votes towards the end (so that if mafia still want to push L in, they'd have to make it pretty obvious instead of gradually shifting over a 10-12 hour timespan)
what do you think?

-----------------------------------------
Original Message:
i want you to switch votes with me from L to c0bbles at the last minute if it looks like L is going to get in
ok?
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
March 13 2010 06:55 GMT
#543
On March 13 2010 13:45 Bill Murray wrote:
So I suspiciously voted for the person I wanted to vote for originally? you all make me laugh.
The timing of it was off because I wasn't even thinking "you know, you can totally screw this guy who wanted to lynch you" until JeeJee brought it to my attention.

Tough shit, L. Sorry you didn't get to lynch me. If BC does, that's his decision. I'm going to like him whether he does it or not. If he does lynch me, though, I guaran-fucking-tee you I'm going to be flipping blue, green, or black. Anyone want to step up and put their head on the line for Day 2 if I don't flip red?

I can't trust anyone, because I'm the only person I know is a townie. I have noone.


I'll put myself up. Let's go to hell and back together BM!
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
March 13 2010 06:56 GMT
#544
On March 13 2010 15:33 Zona wrote:
I would like to call out L, nemY, and Bloodycobbler for voting for d3_crescentia.

Not being allowed to abstain in votes is a huge plus for town members as votes reveal information that can be used to evaluate a player later in the game.

Yet the three of you subvert that by essentially abstaining by voting for someone who has basically not participated in the game so far. Explain yourselves - why can you not commit to helping the town by leaving a paper trail of your opinion?


Well L and BC obviously weren't going to vote for each other....Lol....

Nemy is another story, but L and BC weren't gonna vote, L, Incog, or BC. That would just give their opponent more votes....common sense?
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
March 13 2010 08:22 GMT
#554
*boards up house, pulls out sniper broom (long going joke with a buddy, broom/papertowel roll)* THE MAFIA WILL NEVER GET ME.

Oh, and detectives, BRING IT OOOOOOOON!! You can get some too!?

-_-

My one release after another Terrible fucking day.

p.s. if I stop posting all of a sudden flamewheel and don't vote, please don't ban me from mafia, I might end up being arrested ;>>

Ex and her ex got their comeuppance, but I think I may of went a lil too far. And I don't think I'm done. Very distraught. Sorry fella's, I'll stop writing books bout my personal life.

=(

But I should be getting DT checked, so I'll enjoy the PMs.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
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United States3652 Posts
March 13 2010 16:50 GMT
#562
12 to 8 today and tomorrow...Then off Monday through Thursday from work/school. Like I said, spring break n' shit. School/Work = hardly a social life....

So I'll be mafia yea!

plus the bitch...
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
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United States3652 Posts
March 14 2010 15:23 GMT
#672
On March 14 2010 13:44 madnessman wrote:
I have a question. Mafia KNOWS L is a confirmed blue role. And yet they don't kill him. Does nobody else find this odd?

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On March 14 2010 04:59 L wrote:
On March 14 2010 04:47 Iaaan wrote:
I am disappointed that jeejee died, even if I can see how his vote switching was suspicious.
Definitely going to be interesting to go back and look at his posts, I remember that he was very persistent at calling people out.

Don't see how you can be disappointed that a green who actively tried to fuck with the town is gone via the day 1 lynch. This was probably one of the best day 1 lynches in history.


Just because people don't want you in a mayoral position... How does them make them trying to "fuck" with town? How can they be fucking with the town if we don't even know for certain that you're blue? Maybe you're mafia and they're actually doing the town a favor? It's pompous posts like this that caused me to change my vote.

And to those questioning my voting patterns... We have three of the most experienced players ALL RUNNING FOR MAYOR AND ALL CLAIMING BLUE. How can I vote with absolute certainty and without any qualms whatsoever when this is quite suspicious, and I am filled with uncertainty and suspecting that one of them might be lying..but don't know which one?

First thing to do is jump and pin L? Mafia ploy to insight riot against L bust not killing L?!

Fuck it, lynch him, LETS GO!
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
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United States3652 Posts
March 14 2010 15:43 GMT
#673
So wait...

Detective L, Detective Cobbler...Who did each of you search....

Gonna grace us with that knowledge?
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
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United States3652 Posts
March 15 2010 01:14 GMT
#713
On March 15 2010 08:59 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Random list of suspects

These are people that currently seem fishy in some sense that make them stand out in my mind. I will attempt to do my best at giving a reason why.

To start with Xelin
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He has been “active” thus far. As in he ran in the election, although it went no where.
On March 11 2010 07:30 XeliN wrote:
I'm going to put myself forward for office, wasn't going to as I have an essay due tomorrow and didnt expect to be able to pay attention to this but seems like I'm going to be able to due to my laziness//need to procrastinate.

I think I am good at analysing peoples allignment from their posts, and is something that I've gotten better at the more games I've played.

DT's being able to rolecheck elected also means that I could be trusted early on and co-ordinate with blues to get us a decisive win early on.

Also i'd quite like to play an elected position simply because I have not had the chance before and it would make the game more exciting (for me).

Elect XeliN !


Keep that bolded statement in mind. He basically wanted to be checked to co-ordinate with blues. Cool idea right? However, it puts him the center of the town circle. Seems like something anyone would want. Seems kinda legit until you

On March 15 2010 07:26 Abenson wrote:
From what I've seen so far, I think that:
I think that the most important part is to have the dt's post their results. I know that this is risky, but I think it's extremely important that we get information from the dt's.


Note: this abenson quote is because of the following

On March 13 2010 02:52 XeliN wrote:
Also L if you get voted in don't lynch Bill it would be a waste, going over the thread I would lynch Abenson

On March 12 2010 07:17 Abenson wrote:
Declaration:
I think it's really hard for me to post anything BUT 1-liners unless I have something important or I am trying to argue a point or protecting myself. Therefore from now on I will simply post 1-liners in order to state my mood/thoughts on the current matter

P.S. I'm kinda lazy to update my post in the archives



Town or Mafia this is just plain unhelpful, also I'd like to restate something I wrote way long ago that no-one really responded to. We need to put in place and agreed rule whereby people who are exceptionally inacitve or do not contribute are lynched. Forces the Mafia to post and forces town to try to participate, win win. thoughts?

He specifically wanted to lynch abenson if elected.

However, (keep in mind the abenson quote I posted above), he then agrees with him found

On March 15 2010 08:08 XeliN wrote:
well if BC was telling the truth about his role there is no reason he should not disclose who he has checked, instead of writing their specific role he could simply say "checked X and result was either Red//Townie" posting blue roles would be bad because it gives the mafia information but I can't see how it would not be beneficial to share the results in that way. I don't think it's right that he can get away with claiming DT and not provide any evidence that he is, seems dodgy to me.


This is what confuses me. He actively wanted to kill abenson, yet agrees that all DT info should be handed over to town. In this case he does want me to name who I’ve cleared, but not their role (ok, seems kinda cool I guess) except of how bad an Idea it is.

Lets spell it out simply. If someone is red, they get called out immediately, but as soon as you give a list of “cleared” players, especially this early, the mafia just has to continiously shoot them to prevent a town circle of any kind forming.

So in short, my main reason for suspecting him, he wants information/be in control of information that as town, he should know how it should be used, while at the same time agreeing with the person he wanted to kill if he had been elected. Not a lot to go on really at the moment, but enough to keep me looking at him.
Also as a minor note, he hasn’t kept his archives up to date at the time of this post, something minor but worth noting for reference later.


D3_cresentia
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This is based on my experience when I was a host and he played in my game. He was very active in my game as a town member, very active, and he also got elected. However, this game he has been fairly inactive and the posts he has made have generally been few and not very contributing.

Simply put, I expect more out of him as his performance the last time I watched him play town was much better than it is now.



Abenson
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The kid is posting nothing helpful, and is playing the exact same he was in the game with two mafia families that the kid was red in. Simply put, he is either a terrible player who can’t play without appearing scummy, or is mafia.



~opz~
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Kid is fishy as fuck.

I don’t want to quote his posts in the archive thread, but just go read the ones he has, seriously. He starts off moderately helpful, seems like a good start to the game.

Proceeds to then try and toss L under the bus, not very serious but still there.

Now, the important part of a post to bring up

On March 12 2010 02:44 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Oh, and Vivi for Mafia aligned bus driver. That's my guess for this game.

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On March 12 2010 00:41 XeliN wrote:
If Bill gets a vote and I end up with none I'm going to have to invest in some razor blades.

Out of all the candidates so far, apart from me cos I already know I'm town, Incognito seems to be the strongest candidate.

That said if BC//L are legitimately claiming blue roles and they do not get into office then they may end up being prime targets for the Mafia to hit so I would suggest medic protection on them might not be a bad thing until the DT's can verify, although I wouldn't put it past them to claim that just to try get into office whether town or mafia.


We can't afford medic protection on them. maybe bus driver....But we can't protect them. Protection is for the BG's...
The town will be forced to play this without our "vets" that we love.

GG, L, Incog, BC. If any of you live without being mayor (one of you most certainly will live through atleast one night), I shall be greatly surprised.

Deadly format for cruelty, but face it everyone, we all must step up and go after the mafia. Even if they aren't here to help us. So, with that said, if the vets would like to post some ideas that we should follow to win with this format, please do!



First, he pins Vivi as the bus driver. He specifies mafia bus driver, however, concentrate on the role itself. I point this out for two reasons. The only reason someone would off vivi so early (the guy is an odd day 1 choice) is they figured I was giving him information, or he was blue. This FoS pointed at vivi seems odd given the game play.

Next, he mentions that with this format, the town will most likely be forced to play without the “vet” players. And if any of us live day 1 he would be surprised. Keep in mind this line of thought. By L/myself/incog not dying (in this case more L as incog and I have bg protection) he can now come out and say the only way L wouldn’t take a hit is if he was mafia, or the like. The post feels like a placeholder to allow him to instantly jump on the three of us should any of us not die right away.

After that post he again accuses vivi of being the bus driver, as well as L of being gf. This is the second time putting FoS on vivi (confirmed green via death), and now L. Both of these have not been followed by any sort of reasoning to it, but just seem to be “contributing” posts.

He then has some random posts, one of which states that he should be getting checked by a DT. Why would he think this, and if he is green as he says he is, why would he want to be checked so quickly while in the same post claiming he will be afk potentially for a few days, or for a lot longer as he might get arrested.

He could really have had a shitty life situation (possible), however, the fact he was claiming he was getting a DT to check him seems weird if he was vanishing for days, he wouldn’t want to be checked if he wasn’t going to be able to play for awhile.



This is a general starter. There are a few others I have my eye on, but as I don’t have anything other than a general feeling without grounds, better not off trying to go anywhere with it.

Incog posted saying to DT check me. Off work, plenty of free time to be active now. Thanks. I mean, lol. I posted the vivi comment as a joke, quite literally. And please don't think I'm just showing up because I've been accused. I openly stated I get off work at 8.

I just didn't go to my friends house cuz I thought he was off, but he didn't get off til 9. They think I'm at home balling cuz the gf shit and just being a mopey fag, but it's a lil too hard to explain mafia and make it sound fun to anyone else.

I said the vivi as a joke, because they were talking about whoever asks questions about a role is usually that role, and vivi the the only person to include bus driver in his mayor statement
On March 11 2010 18:55 Vivi57 wrote:
nty at bm

i'm all in favor of a bus driver/dt mayor/pardoner


It was more of a joke, and it got ignored by Vivi. Seriously, I accused him of being bus driver. That was it. Big deal? Want me to accuse you of being DT? And L of being medic? Incog of being Vet, and BM of being Mafia? It was an empty accusation, Vivi wound up dead. If I thought he was MAFIA aligned BD, and I was mafia, I would have killed him. Hi?
-_-
I wasn't attempting to cast suspicion at L, just on vet players in general. I actually have ALWAYS defended L. Even a game when I was med, I spent the entire game protecting L. Support his clue analysis mainly though. Seriously, if I was mafia, I'd of hit one BG and one of you vets. Flat out. I doubt there are more than 3 medics, and even as a townie, I'm aware they all don't know who each other are protecting. Read the format...It's insanely hard to make a decision to protect, because all they mayor truly is is a vet with 3 lives, but his lives are players. Players that may or may not be protected.

Again, as I read up to down, but I already think I stated it, INCOGNITO, said to have a DT check me. No idea why. Yes, I felt I might of got arrested. I was head hunting my ex-gf's ex-bf like an immature faggot. Even pissed on the dudes driver seat/dash board/passenger seat. Of course I thought I could get arrested. I was fucking going ape shit crazy. And I work on weekends due to being in college, and said I would be extremely active this week. I'm on Spring Break. Go look, AASU's calendar, this is my spring break week, and I ain't going anywhere for it.

=/

I wasn't joking about my shitty life situations. They are fucking shitty.

And it really is as fun as you think to piss on someones driver seat and know that they drove their car 10 minutes afterwards.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
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United States3652 Posts
March 15 2010 01:19 GMT
#714
And to further suspicion against myself, BC, you missed a post. I asked who was RC'd by our "detectives," you and L, specifically. I don't like how L flip flopped around his claim. "other dt." I'm not condemning him, I just agree with bm, and citizen, L looks suspicious as fuck.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
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United States3652 Posts
March 15 2010 01:24 GMT
#716
On March 15 2010 08:17 BloodyC0bbler wrote:

Suffice to say, two people are already cleared, and with greens dead, I currently have a list of 6 town aligned members of the 20 we originally started with.

6 would be, yourself, vivi, fulgrim, and the person you dt checked....that's 4....Not 6...

Others could be lying. =/

The others claimed via pm maybe?
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
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United States3652 Posts
March 15 2010 01:29 GMT
#718
On March 15 2010 10:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
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On March 15 2010 10:19 ~OpZ~ wrote:
And to further suspicion against myself, BC, you missed a post. I asked who was RC'd by our "detectives," you and L, specifically. I don't like how L flip flopped around his claim. "other dt." I'm not condemning him, I just agree with bm, and citizen, L looks suspicious as fuck.


Read the thread, specifically the last page and top of this one and you will see why the RC findings arent released.

I know, I was just saying something to further myself as red. See the beginning of it where I say "And to further suspicion...?"

Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
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United States3652 Posts
March 15 2010 01:32 GMT
#719
Oh, okay. Bus drivet claimed then. That's cool, I didn't know that. I mean, L said he knew who it was but I didn't know you did too. Now 6 makes sense. Thanks for clearing that up.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
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United States3652 Posts
March 15 2010 01:57 GMT
#722
omg, I respond and foolishness accuses.....and BC vanishes after some crappy responses to me....Seriously, PROVOKE ME AGAIN, I want to post, but I don't want to quadruple post. Shit, Ace would of kept the accusations rolling right along, provoking me, until someone else came along.

Seriously, get out of PM land, and speak a little in the thread, we all aren't privy to that side of the world guys, and it is really sapping the fun from this game.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
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United States3652 Posts
March 15 2010 02:21 GMT
#725
Thank you L, for your words of wisdom. I will do it, yes yes. May take me a lil while tho. Don't want to run in a big circle.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
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United States3652 Posts
March 15 2010 17:31 GMT
#748
Let's have a look how many people are attacking BC. Is he really that suspicious, or should we be taking a look at two people that have taken to trying to say he is worthless. That's bad for unity people.

Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
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United States3652 Posts
March 15 2010 23:34 GMT
#784
On March 16 2010 04:08 citi.zen wrote:
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On March 16 2010 03:58 Versatile wrote:
On March 16 2010 02:31 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Let's have a look how many people are attacking BC. Is he really that suspicious, or should we be taking a look at two people that have taken to trying to say he is worthless. That's bad for unity people.



who else said he's worthless? don't be grouping me up with anyone else, yo.

and fcuk unity, wth is this the special olympics? are we in a queen latifah video? you don't get points just for trying, this isn't high school phys ed. loser.

i think BC is playing shady, i think it's shady he was the last viable candidate in the pool for mayor and he somehow won with a convenient DT claim, and i think it's shady he still hasn't posted concrete info to prove he is in a fact a DT. all in all, there's quite a bit of trees in here, and i'm looking for the sunlight.


Yeah, the ~Opz~ post was weird. "Unity" and too much shared information among unproven people is a bad thing. Everyone needs to play carefully until we get a breakthrough of some sort, either by catching a red or from the DT(s).

When 4 people come a long and instantly pick shit with one person it just seems like they are trying to incite the mob of inactive townies to go after him.

If Versatile and Foolishness equal mob, and go after BC by just saying he isn't doing anything, I think that's suspicious. Why not just pick some other random townie that ran for mayor to make a plan? Why put it on the guy that claimed dt? If he's truthful about dt it would make sense for the mob to want to attempt to get him distrusted. Kk? Get it now? Their are other suspicious people on here, let's look at them.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
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United States3652 Posts
March 16 2010 00:01 GMT
#789
On March 16 2010 08:39 Incognito wrote:
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On March 16 2010 08:34 ~OpZ~ wrote:
On March 16 2010 04:08 citi.zen wrote:
On March 16 2010 03:58 Versatile wrote:
On March 16 2010 02:31 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Let's have a look how many people are attacking BC. Is he really that suspicious, or should we be taking a look at two people that have taken to trying to say he is worthless. That's bad for unity people.



who else said he's worthless? don't be grouping me up with anyone else, yo.

and fcuk unity, wth is this the special olympics? are we in a queen latifah video? you don't get points just for trying, this isn't high school phys ed. loser.

i think BC is playing shady, i think it's shady he was the last viable candidate in the pool for mayor and he somehow won with a convenient DT claim, and i think it's shady he still hasn't posted concrete info to prove he is in a fact a DT. all in all, there's quite a bit of trees in here, and i'm looking for the sunlight.


Yeah, the ~Opz~ post was weird. "Unity" and too much shared information among unproven people is a bad thing. Everyone needs to play carefully until we get a breakthrough of some sort, either by catching a red or from the DT(s).

When 4 people come a long and instantly pick shit with one person it just seems like they are trying to incite the mob of inactive townies to go after him.

If Versatile and Foolishness equal mob, and go after BC by just saying he isn't doing anything, I think that's suspicious. Why not just pick some other random townie that ran for mayor to make a plan? Why put it on the guy that claimed dt? If he's truthful about dt it would make sense for the mob to want to attempt to get him distrusted. Kk? Get it now? Their are other suspicious people on here, let's look at them.


So who exactly are these "suspicious people"?

I've done said how I felt about BC getting assailed. While Zona is right, his first goal should be to find a red. He has a point. Cobbler doesn't need to build a town circle. He's the fucking mayor. And protected. He is his own mouth, so he should be checking and speaking, not the other way around.

I just found that Versatile and Foolishness, attempting to incite doubt this early was suspicious. BC's own list was rather suspicious, as I was the only person on the list that he went all out on trying to pin as mafia. He's wrong, but I can't prove that myself. Well I suppose him trying to pin me as mafia would make since for him to check me then right? Lol. Why didn't he check me if he already thought I was the most suspicious looking person. Now that I'm thinking about it...If I was suspicious to you (which like I said, BC went all out trying to implicate me), and you are fully protected so you can post if you find a red yourself, why wouldn't you check me. I would never have been voted as GF.

-_-...Anyway...No. I just found versatile and foolishness trying to start a riot that early into the day at Cobbler suspicious. Versatile's disappearance after the first day was another big thing to me. But she doesn't post much, right? Lol.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
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United States3652 Posts
March 16 2010 00:08 GMT
#792
So....Malongo will probably get modkilled, right?
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
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United States3652 Posts
March 16 2010 01:45 GMT
#874
On March 16 2010 10:34 Versatile wrote:
also BC. wth is this trash about, "oh i found a townie, but i'm not releasing their name"?

that's bullshit. guess what? the mafia already knows who is town and who is mafia. this is not new information to them, but it is to us, the town. if you are a DT, and you found a green person, let us know so we don't, among other things, LYNCH THEM BY ACCIDENT.

mafia's weakness: numbers.
our weakness: information. so keeping things a secret is not useful to the town.


-_-...I don't think BC would vote for someone he RC'd green. Do you? It'd be pretty obvious, and I can almost guarantee he would come to that persons defense. So let's not worry about him posting his RC, yet. I'd imagine the person he checked could step forth without BC anyway.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
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United States3652 Posts
March 16 2010 18:51 GMT
#966
On March 16 2010 22:34 flamewheel91 wrote:
Hey wait a minute... Incognito went from being a Hydra to being a Corsair :O


Shhhh Drones aren't allowed to talk unless threats of lightning are involved.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
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United States3652 Posts
March 16 2010 19:17 GMT
#974
Although Incog did have a point when Versatile agreed to BC's plan, then decided he should release the names...

It could just be the want for information, but you did say they shouldn't be released earlier.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
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United States3652 Posts
March 17 2010 06:24 GMT
#1168
I am for switching from BM to Xelin....

If Bill stops spamming? He did say he would lynch Malongo Btw.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
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United States3652 Posts
March 19 2010 01:07 GMT
#1323
I know Fishball usually doesn't post anything of substance, and this is my first actual game without clues...But seriously I'm more suspicious of him then most others, because he hopped on this BM bandwagon. I disagree with this severely. First off, our "leaders" told us to begin with BM was mafia, then Incog explained his doubts and changed his vote. Even L expressed some doubt. If you have better lynch candidates, we seriously should have changed a long time ago. Personally I'm about suspicious of everyone wanting to lynch BM. If he flips red, his desperation has seriously pulled the wool over me. One of the few that actually understood my problem I had earlier in the game.

I'm not going to vote for BM, and you all expressed suspicion of BM. You claim his lynch will provide more information then Xelin. Well, I'm questionable about BM's lynch, and I understand verifying roles, but shouldn't we of hunted a red already?



Point in this, I don't know who's claimed what, I've told you all I'm green. No sense claiming that private.

,
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
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United States3652 Posts
March 19 2010 01:11 GMT
#1324
Wow...Bad timing. Damn Eric and Nicole for distracting me. Ty Bill...Like I said, appreciate ya for the kindness earlier man.

=(
Sucks to see you go out like that. And I refused to help lynch you.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
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United States3652 Posts
March 19 2010 01:12 GMT
#1326
Oh, and I believe we should be expecting a post from L soon, right?

What's the plan, oh great lyncher of Bill Murray.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
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United States3652 Posts
March 19 2010 01:27 GMT
#1333
Bill makes me laugh. I know he spams a lot, but when it comes being a cool dude, he gets it. And he's often more funny, just he actually was interested in trying to help.

Sorry Fishball, But I'm in it to win, not hold a grudge because I don't like someone. Hell L isn't exactly the best at sharing information, even when he's mafia with you. That two mafia game. Dunno what to expect, but Fishball, not even you can lie. I do end up either arguing, or talking with you every game. Seriously, we have atleast one pm between each other each game. And you usually come in with some suspicions, but you haven't done that once this game. Incognito saying it's your style, no. You post rarely, and often they aren't important, but you've always posted a list of suspects. You have yet to do that this game. So sense you haven't played as protown as in previous games (oh I watch you, I watch you good. You've done pointed out on several occasions how good you are at picking mafia out) I highly suspect you to be Mafioso.

That is all.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
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United States3652 Posts
March 19 2010 01:28 GMT
#1334
On March 19 2010 10:27 XeliN wrote:
Oh wow he's green, did not expect that.

YOU HAVE BEEN DEFENDING HIM MORON.

Please someone kill Xelin. He is Mafia.

*defends bm*
*bm dies green*
Oh noes!? I DID NOT EXPECT THAT
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
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United States3652 Posts
March 19 2010 01:37 GMT
#1341
On March 18 2010 00:57 XeliN wrote:
Quite simply I have wanted to try an electorate role since the first game I played in, I ran for election in that one as well and guess what? I was Town.

Why have I been supporting Bill?

Quite frankly he strikes me as someone who is town and I was getting irritated//suspicious of L's constant emphasis on lynching him, personally can't see how he is not the one being lynched at this point but I guess if I or more importantly Bill flip green then the town will consider the fact that he could be mafia


You voted Bill...and were surprised by him popping green, after saying he would pop green!? You lying mafia filth!
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
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United States3652 Posts
March 19 2010 01:38 GMT
#1342
Fishball, don't ignore that. Why haven't you posted a list of suspects like every other mafia game you've played in as town? That is a huge difference of your play this game from the others.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
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United States3652 Posts
March 19 2010 01:43 GMT
#1344
On March 19 2010 02:17 Bill Murray wrote:
I don't see how you all can give in to someone childishly wanting to waste the town's most important lynch of the whole game to get rid of the mafia's damn kill power on the player in the game who is the most obvious townie to numerous people. It is irrelevant what you feel about my personality or my post-style, do you want to win?

If you really do want to win, and you're green or blue,


Don't lynch me.


We need to get a red. Lets put our heads together here, one person MAY be able to do everything; however, the town needs to help itself collectively.

I tried to do everything, to take your pms, and to categorize what roles people claimed in order to catch reds, but you all wouldn't let me into your trust. The only person who PMed me their role was XeliN, and I am not going to disclose that information at this time.


Xelin, YOU were the only person to claim to Bill, and you were SURPRISED he popped town?

Vigi, please slaughter Xelin tonight.

Either he is mafia, or he is not exactly the brightest townie alive. Someone else's opinion on Xelin flip flopping around?
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
March 19 2010 01:50 GMT
#1347
Sorry, Fishball, but you've done it more than once. And I have another Pm from you a long ass time ago. And out of the dozens? I haven't played as many as you. I went AWOL when Mafia forum came into existence. I said with every game I've played with you, not the rest of it.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
March 19 2010 02:24 GMT
#1353
I know what sarcasm meant. I was clearly being sarcastic. You are clearly Mafia. L will have you ass fucked tonight, if things go right. You painted your own self suspicious, not by voting for Bill, but for saying you were surprised he was green, after stating you believed he was green. How is that thick?

As for Fishball, since you believe you are playing the exactly the same, you are agreeing you are being a useless townie? Mind role claiming in the thread then? So everyone knows to ignore you?

I don't know how else to put it. But seriously, you have to have a list of people to suspect. I also suspect citizen and versatile, but arguably versatile might not be mafia. Xelin was right and it could of just been a gambit by her to state she hopes she dies....

I appreciate the statement of the plan L. Do we know if Dt's are informed if they get Bus Drived? Because a blatant explanation of our plan, and a mafia aligned BD might of messed us up. L, you can post who yours bombs are on. Only a medic can block your bombs, so it's a almost a guaranteed kill, so theirs no point really hiding it. Just throwing that out there.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
March 19 2010 02:47 GMT
#1357
Touche L, I didn't think of that. Appreciate that. It just enlightened me into the worlds of being a hatter =P

Anyway if incog asked too...well...do you think incog is mafia? Or did he want you to tell the town? I mean, telling him, seeing as he proved himself would be another story, right? Or do you fear he's mafia bus, and in touch with the mafia?

Ohhhhhh, you were being sarcastic....that's believable. You voted for him out of revenge? You could of voted Foolishness, and bill would of voted foolishness...

Fuck, look at nemy and the rest of them? Bill was all but confirmed townie, and everyone wanted to lynch him. There was almost no point in it. I'm not for lynching townies.

But nighty night Xelin. If you are mafia, and not the GF, (who would make you that?!), Nighty night.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
March 19 2010 02:56 GMT
#1359
I got the facts straight from as far as I'm aware of it. I'm alarmed because every game you've done it you've atleast picked out one mafia member correct. That's useful. I just want some insight into someone who picks out mafia as good as you.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
March 19 2010 02:57 GMT
#1360
On March 19 2010 11:56 nemY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2010 10:44 Fishball wrote:
On March 19 2010 10:38 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Fishball, don't ignore that. Why haven't you posted a list of suspects like every other mafia game you've played in as town? That is a huge difference of your play this game from the others.


I'm typing, and can't you just wait a bit.
Read the post above.


An hour later and you still haven't posted a list yet have you? Hmmm...

Have you posted one?
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
March 19 2010 03:22 GMT
#1366
Nemy almost always abstains, mafia or not. L and BC could of voted anyone, Nemy just followed who they voted, I believe. Wouldn't now be a good time to just public role claim, if you all have the blues accounted for? All of our blues are alive, and L and BC know all of them?


1. Incognito (Pardoner) Bus Driver
2. Versatile
4. tree.hugger
6. Fishball
8. johnnyspazz
9. nemY
10. sidesprang
12. XeliN DT Check
13. Fulgrim
14. citi.zen
15. madnessman
16. JeeJee
17. d3_crescentia DT Check
18. L Mad Hatter
19. ~OpZ~ Townie
20. Vivi57
21. Foolishness
23. Iaaan
24. l10f
25. BloodyC0bbler (Mayor) Dt

You all know more roles, and with those already claimed, everyone else would have to claim green. Keep the rest of the blues private, and just have them claim green...I don't know if this would work, as I'm sure seeing as you all have that information already...I dunno....It might not be the best plan of action....Just Everyone feels very uninformed. I'm sure BC's catching med protection. You three already set up whos protecting who right L? Are the meds confirmed? I appreciate this, and I just want to feel mildly useful. Is there any other pertinent information? Just respond to the idea, not the call for claims. I'm sure you already got who most of the mafia might be, given you've gotten several roles revealed already. You said the god father might be part of your circle? Any leads or ideas yet?

Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
March 19 2010 03:27 GMT
#1367
On March 19 2010 12:17 XeliN wrote:
this is totally seperate from the game but your not being unable to understand a simple sarcastic comment is rlly bugging me OpZ, is it really that difficult to grasp?

Did I not post about asking if you were sarcastic? YOU had OTHER OPTIONS to vote for other than Bill? He just voted for you because he was trying to save himself. If you voted for foolishness, me and him probably would of changed our votes. I was against voting for him because I felt he was green. I've only truly talked to him and Incog, and his wanting to lynch Malongo day one was OBVIOUS that he was green.

I understand you are claiming you were being sarcastic. I'm just stating that there were better options for you to vote. You had no chance of being lynched, why vote for BM? Nemy might of voted otherwise if you would of because the train would of went to Foolishness's station. I'm less certain of his alignment then I was of BM's.

Not saying I suspect him, but that's mainly because I haven't seen any content from him other than his defense of BM. And I can't judge his role on that, but he did back BM.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
March 19 2010 03:35 GMT
#1371
In recent memory of mine. Game's I've played. That's what, 40 threads worth of information that Johnny just went through how many threads just checking that? Fine, my drunk ass will go check too. How many times did he abstain? I personally never abstain, and I don't like just following the bandwagon, check that shit homie.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
March 19 2010 03:47 GMT
#1376
On March 19 2010 12:34 johnnyspazz wrote:
dont you guys find it weird how on the second night, there were a bunch of random lynch votes?
Show nested quote +
BloodyC0bbler Votes: 1
Versatile

L Votes: 1
nemY

~OpZ~ Votes: 1
l10f

sidesprang Votes: 1
Iaaan

Just because people suspect other people doesn't mean they have to vote for who the Bandwagon is against Johnny. I won't just bus someone. Is my vote for Xelin this day random like those? l10f voted for me because a lot of people suspected me on that day. And I had stated suspicion of versatile and lots of people started getting suspicious of me. He was the only one to vote me. The advantage of abstaining came from Dt's formerly being able to check vote lists for the number of mafia who voted for a specific person. It was very useful back in the day for confirming a large group of townies at once. (we played with 60 to 100+ people the first games when Chuiu was hosting, bless his soul).

I dunno if it's scummy, but i feel nemy of l10f should be rc'd. People who act inactive should definitely be RC'd. I'd say I fall in the category, but I dunno. I'd accept it, but I'll pop green and it'd be a waste of a day lynching me. I won't lie, green gives less of an incentive to have fun, but I try and play regardless. I'm just not that useful I feel. (Ace has ingrained in my brain I'm a retard and useless.)

Then again I could be miller. Who knows. Fishball, post a list good sir. Nemy, do something useful. Xelin, Stop being mafioso. And Johnny, thanks for doing some research. Thank you good sir.

Sorry if I'm wrong. I'm using knowledge of previous games I've played with you all, as opposed to EVERY game you all have played. (Not counting the second red army mafia game, ty caller, it was fun)
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
March 19 2010 04:03 GMT
#1382
On March 19 2010 12:47 L wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2010 12:22 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Nemy almost always abstains, mafia or not. L and BC could of voted anyone, Nemy just followed who they voted, I believe. Wouldn't now be a good time to just public role claim, if you all have the blues accounted for? All of our blues are alive, and L and BC know all of them?


1. Incognito (Pardoner) Bus Driver
2. Versatile
4. tree.hugger
6. Fishball
8. johnnyspazz
9. nemY
10. sidesprang
12. XeliN DT Check
13. Fulgrim
14. citi.zen
15. madnessman
16. JeeJee
17. d3_crescentia DT Check
18. L Mad Hatter
19. ~OpZ~ Townie
20. Vivi57
21. Foolishness
23. Iaaan
24. l10f
25. BloodyC0bbler (Mayor) Dt

You all know more roles, and with those already claimed, everyone else would have to claim green. Keep the rest of the blues private, and just have them claim green...I don't know if this would work, as I'm sure seeing as you all have that information already...I dunno....It might not be the best plan of action....Just Everyone feels very uninformed. I'm sure BC's catching med protection. You three already set up whos protecting who right L? Are the meds confirmed? I appreciate this, and I just want to feel mildly useful. Is there any other pertinent information? Just respond to the idea, not the call for claims. I'm sure you already got who most of the mafia might be, given you've gotten several roles revealed already. You said the god father might be part of your circle? Any leads or ideas yet?


We don't know all of them, and the GF is probably in here somewhere. Many of the people who we know of aren't confirmed but have claimed. Leads or ideas? Not really. At this point I'm more worried about cleaning up the remaining 9 players in order to drop mafia kp down to 1. After that we can go on a GF hunt using the information we have.

XeliN, for instance, has claimed blue in PMs, yet I don't know what his role is. I kinda would like to know, but I guess its his call. Given that he's probably on the chopping block tonight or tomorrow he should probably act quick.


Think you can forfeit more information the next day cycle, or the night cycle? I'm really interested now. Lol. More information got me excited for some reason. God damn BM dying. Seeing as nothing but townies, and malongo, have died, a blue role might be hit tonight. We still have probably atleast one or two vets. They might soak up a hit, which would be unbelievably nice. Anticipation is killing me. Lol....

Meds confirmed, or not? Ain't like their target for protection can die and they still live though. And if it drops to just the godfather vs town, ain't like dt's are useful anymore at that point. Ready to rap this up. Maybe the Four Loco just got me fucked up but I'm energetic. (Maybe the four loco)

Fishball, I'm sorry, I just have seen you pick mafia out in the games I've played. I was just arguing that you were good at hunting mafia. You haven't posted anything useful...or really anything. Yet you were here. So are you active, or inactive? Do you just read and not post, or do you feel you have nothing to respond to? You've been pretty accurate in the games I've played, and I'd love to see you be right again. Lol. You were the first person I checked during Caller's game. So quit arguing and do something. Come on man.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
March 19 2010 04:07 GMT
#1383
On March 19 2010 12:58 Iaaan wrote:
Not surprised about BM, but that's fine, no more spam, plus we can move on and focus on real suspects.

I think it is possible that Xelin is just stupid in contradicting himself, not necessarily scum. It doesn't differ from other games. I am not set on this tho.

So is this a statement of suspecting Xelin, or just calling him stupid townie? I'd agree on either, but is it backing him being town or stating you suspect him? Please clarify. Thanks in advance.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
March 19 2010 04:30 GMT
#1389
On March 19 2010 13:10 Fishball wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2010 13:03 ~OpZ~ wrote:
On March 19 2010 12:47 L wrote:
On March 19 2010 12:22 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Nemy almost always abstains, mafia or not. L and BC could of voted anyone, Nemy just followed who they voted, I believe. Wouldn't now be a good time to just public role claim, if you all have the blues accounted for? All of our blues are alive, and L and BC know all of them?


1. Incognito (Pardoner) Bus Driver
2. Versatile
4. tree.hugger
6. Fishball
8. johnnyspazz
9. nemY
10. sidesprang
12. XeliN DT Check
13. Fulgrim
14. citi.zen
15. madnessman
16. JeeJee
17. d3_crescentia DT Check
18. L Mad Hatter
19. ~OpZ~ Townie
20. Vivi57
21. Foolishness
23. Iaaan
24. l10f
25. BloodyC0bbler (Mayor) Dt

You all know more roles, and with those already claimed, everyone else would have to claim green. Keep the rest of the blues private, and just have them claim green...I don't know if this would work, as I'm sure seeing as you all have that information already...I dunno....It might not be the best plan of action....Just Everyone feels very uninformed. I'm sure BC's catching med protection. You three already set up whos protecting who right L? Are the meds confirmed? I appreciate this, and I just want to feel mildly useful. Is there any other pertinent information? Just respond to the idea, not the call for claims. I'm sure you already got who most of the mafia might be, given you've gotten several roles revealed already. You said the god father might be part of your circle? Any leads or ideas yet?


We don't know all of them, and the GF is probably in here somewhere. Many of the people who we know of aren't confirmed but have claimed. Leads or ideas? Not really. At this point I'm more worried about cleaning up the remaining 9 players in order to drop mafia kp down to 1. After that we can go on a GF hunt using the information we have.

XeliN, for instance, has claimed blue in PMs, yet I don't know what his role is. I kinda would like to know, but I guess its his call. Given that he's probably on the chopping block tonight or tomorrow he should probably act quick.


Think you can forfeit more information the next day cycle, or the night cycle? I'm really interested now. Lol. More information got me excited for some reason. God damn BM dying. Seeing as nothing but townies, and malongo, have died, a blue role might be hit tonight. We still have probably atleast one or two vets. They might soak up a hit, which would be unbelievably nice. Anticipation is killing me. Lol....

Meds confirmed, or not? Ain't like their target for protection can die and they still live though. And if it drops to just the godfather vs town, ain't like dt's are useful anymore at that point. Ready to rap this up. Maybe the Four Loco just got me fucked up but I'm energetic. (Maybe the four loco)

Fishball, I'm sorry, I just have seen you pick mafia out in the games I've played. I was just arguing that you were good at hunting mafia. You haven't posted anything useful...or really anything. Yet you were here. So are you active, or inactive? Do you just read and not post, or do you feel you have nothing to respond to? You've been pretty accurate in the games I've played, and I'd love to see you be right again. Lol. You were the first person I checked during Caller's game. So quit arguing and do something. Come on man.


This is from my msn conversation with BC with a comment directed to you.

~ James ~ ffXIII is kinda amazing says:
hes just retarded
ignore him


Just slow down and think for a second. I really mean it.


Like I give a fuck? Seriously. How would I know that's directed at me? Then next, look at it from an informed townie's perspective? And next, BC, if you got such wonderful things to say on MSN, please post them, instead of being a jackass over MSN. Thanks in advance. Not like I've defended your ass, or anything, but that's irrelevant at any rate.

Fishball, you haven't posted shit. Do you think I'm not thinking or something. Even if you aren't mafia, you're worthless. I'm worthless too for the most part, but I've checked the thread, and seen three other semi inactive posters post and called them all out. Only you've used some time defending it. I've just asked you to provide some more content and you can't. If BC can't Post in a thread and he wants to leave it on L, then fine, I'm with Versatile, he's useless. I wont vote for a confirmed DT...But still, fuck that. Do nothing mayor, shit.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
March 20 2010 01:24 GMT
#1412
Why take out one of the guys that was highly suspected...-_-
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
March 20 2010 02:11 GMT
#1415
Maybe D3 was a vigi kill, and the meds protected someone...

If that's the case, the vigi could step forward, he was only allowed one kill, right? No blues have died either...games really crazy. Lol.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
March 20 2010 11:32 GMT
#1426
On March 20 2010 15:56 nemY wrote:
Here's my problem with XeliN and ~OpZ~

XeliN: He's posted absolutely nothing of any real content plus he had the whole flip-flop issue on BM. I've heard ppl say he claimed a blue role, yet he's says he's claimed green. He doesn't stand his ground on anything and his whole persona is wishy washy.

~OpZ~: His posts aren't really content-filled and he demands that the list of the confirmed blues be released to the public... WHY SHOULD WE AS THE TOWN WANT TO POST A HIT LIST FOR THE MAFIA?

...Are you serious? We have this list of blues, minus one dt and the medics....I don't want those three posted, but that's a list of how many confirmed townies?

To speak the truth, the godfather is probably somewhat in the town circle. Down 14 and not a single blue has been hit? We will know Xelin's alignment sometime today probably Nemy, so that should answer the question in relation to him. Would be nice to lynch two mafia today...

Foolishness has disappeared again after defending BM extremely hard.

Sidesprang....hasn't been posting, along with l10f, or tree.hugger. Versatile quit posting after her rant saying to kill her. I appreciate the detective work Nemy, but doing even bothering to post his name since he was supposed to of gotten role checked is pointless.

How'd the night actions go last night? Why did BC post, just without content? Where has Incog gone to? -_-...Town has questions, and it's down to 11 town vs 4 mafia. We know L, BC, Incog, 2 Medics, another DT, and another BD....That's 7 players out of the 11 that are confirmed, not to mention Xelin getting RC'd. Given that the GF is probably part of that I'll keep it at 7 of 11 being confirmed. I'm green so that's 8 in my book. Why we seriously haven't been able to lynch mafia is a good question I think, but I think today will be different.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
March 20 2010 14:22 GMT
#1428
People seriously need to get on here.

Foolishness appears, votes for me, doesn't post, and leaves. Nemy's expert analysis convinced you I'm mafia? Or you feared death so much yesterday, and are trying to lay low today? I'm sure there are better candidates than me.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
March 21 2010 04:32 GMT
#1517
On March 21 2010 13:15 L wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2010 13:05 Ace wrote:
On March 21 2010 10:56 Zona wrote:
On March 21 2010 10:37 citi.zen wrote:
As I said before, I now think L's "playing style" is perfectly OK. It does come more naturally to some people than others, but in the end the "good" players in repeated games often make bad arguments or behave inconsistently. All that means is that "catching" him next time he is red will not be easy: playing like crap and lynching greens would be "consistent".


I disagree. I stated this before, but I think that if a player who is town in a game makes bad arguments or is not being helpful in general to aid his or her chances as a mafia member in future games is not a show of skill, but instead shows a lack of skill, because this player is not confident in his or her ability to be helpful and appear town-like in a game as mafia.
The player is essentially hurting the town (and his/her) chances to win when playing as a member of the town only to help his/her chances to win when playing as a member of the mafia.



this.

It's also why I say it's a good idea to lynch players like BM and Vivi early on because if left alive, they WILL make the town lose.

And if they're mafia they play the exact same way as if they're town: Inconsistently and illogically.

Its like some kind of braindead super-armor.


Brain dead super armor...Lol...

L and Ace agreed too. Hahaha
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
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