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nemY
United States3119 Posts
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CynanMachae
Canada1459 Posts
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L
Canada4732 Posts
The list makes sense, but I don't think auto-killing malongo is the way to go. Inverted makes sense too, given that Abenson doesn't fucking do anything during games and that Ace is the one making the proposition, so you get to go first. DTs can check proximal people on the list, but how do they mouth? Do they mouth? I dunno lol. If people are getting skipped on the list, how likely is it that we have ukranians being skipped because of a fake DT mouth? As for killing someone because they didn't listen to you; I'm pretty sure you can expect plenty of that going on during this game given the format. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
If you can't shoot, role claim then. If you can't prove you are what you say you are, the person on the list who's turn it is gets to shoot you. If you can shoot, shoot the people that screw the town over or look scummy with everyone's consent. Simple really. Doesn't matter if we think Malongo is a CIA op, if he gets to get away with killing someone for no good reason without consulting the town we might as well just give The Mafia the game. DTs don't have to mouth. Hell they can do what they want as long as they think things through. I don't play the game through PM land so if anyone wants to do anything through me it has to be in the thread. PMs kill the game. | ||
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
The shooting was... not THAT unfortunate, chenzinu's "style" irritates me to no end, so good riddance. Talk about enforcing order! My thoughts on Ace's plan: 1. Shooting Malongo seems like a bad idea. By killing someone on the 1st day he proved he is either green or CIA, since regular mafia can't shoot people during the day. I doubt the CIA player (I am guessing there is only one, like the GF), would not be THAT aggressive/draw immediate attention. Of course, I could be wrong, so let's keep a tab on Malongo in the future, but right now Malongo seems green to me. 2. Shooting someone the town agrees to target is fine in general. However, using a list of names a non-proven player proposes is madness: if Ace is red he is trying to pretty much map out the entire game for us. Alternative: use a "randomized list" made up by a confirmed green! How do we get such a list you ask? Have everyone post one (perhaps under a spoiler to reduce size in main thread) and use the one from whatever green/blue 1st gets killed at night. Lots of work perhaps but fairly safe, no? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
I'm still sold on shooting Malongo as the best move. I don't care whether or not a CIA would or wouldn't do it - it was a bad move and we can't have people blowing heads off just for fun. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Malongo
Chile3469 Posts
On March 07 2010 12:29 Ace wrote: Citizen I posted a screen shot of my randomized list. But I'm cool if you want someone else thats surely confirmed to do it. I'm still sold on shooting Malongo as the best move. I don't care whether or not a CIA would or wouldn't do it - it was a bad move and we can't have people blowing heads off just for fun. Wrong for the 100 time this game. You and I knew who the nazi was. So did all mafia. Killing the nazi is a bad idea Ace¿ tell me: if you dont have a better target is that really a bad idea¿. | ||
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johnnyspazz
Taiwan1470 Posts
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
On March 07 2010 12:31 Ace wrote: whoops sorry I missed the last part of your post. Only reason I wouldn't support using a dead person's list is that Mafia get to see it and obviously cherry pick their kills. Good point, the mafia still gets to choose a "favorable" list. Meh... back to the drawing board. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Off we go. So far we've had a really weird shooting, plus a plan submitted by Ace. The shooting was... not THAT unfortunate, chenzinu's "style" irritates me to no end, so good riddance. Talk about enforcing order! My thoughts on Ace's plan: 1. Shooting Malongo seems like a bad idea. By killing someone on the 1st day he proved he is either green or CIA, since regular mafia can't shoot people during the day. I doubt the CIA player (I am guessing there is only one, like the GF), would not be THAT aggressive/draw immediate attention. Of course, I could be wrong, so let's keep a tab on Malongo in the future, but right now Malongo seems green to me. 2. Shooting someone the town agrees to target is fine in general. However, using a list of names a non-proven player proposes is madness: if Ace is red he is trying to pretty much map out the entire game for us. Alternative: use a "randomized list" made up by a confirmed green! How do we get such a list you ask? Have everyone post one (perhaps under a spoiler to reduce size in main thread) and use the one from whatever green/blue 1st gets killed at night. Lots of work perhaps but fairly safe, no? Need more discussion about this. Come on people stop being lazy and thinking we're going to do all the work for you. | ||
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
On March 07 2010 12:35 johnnyspazz wrote: what do you mean by "cherry pick their kills?" He means the mafia would kill someone who had posted a good list for them. | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Like I said, if you're a towny shoot. If not roleclaim. Players need to stop worrying about roles and start thinking about how to win the game. Ordered Roleclaiming is going to be powerful. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On March 07 2010 12:25 Ace wrote: I'm not killing Malongo because he doesn't agree with me, I'm killing him because I believe he's the most scummy person so far and because we need order. We also need to confirm our innocents. If you can't shoot, role claim then. If you can't prove you are what you say you are, the person on the list who's turn it is gets to shoot you. If you can shoot, shoot the people that screw the town over or look scummy with everyone's consent. Simple really. Doesn't matter if we think Malongo is a CIA op, if he gets to get away with killing someone for no good reason without consulting the town we might as well just give The Mafia the game. DTs don't have to mouth. Hell they can do what they want as long as they think things through. I don't play the game through PM land so if anyone wants to do anything through me it has to be in the thread. PMs kill the game. Uh. so... It doesn't matter if we think Malongo is the CIA op, but you want to kill Malongo because he's scummy. Does not compute, given that the only mafia that can shoot are CIA. QED: something wrong with your plan. | ||
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On March 07 2010 12:41 Ace wrote: Either way I think to start off any randomized list is good since it ignores motives and puts pressure on everyone to perform. Like I said, if you're a towny shoot. If not roleclaim. Players need to stop worrying about roles and start thinking about how to win the game. Ordered Roleclaiming is going to be powerful. I think the inverted list is perfectly fine for proceeding with, but I don't agree that our hit should be Malongo given that hitters are probably legit. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Whether Malongo is CIA or not he's playing scummy. Which means he's playing anti-town. Which means he's not useful at all. If you can find someone even more scummy than him then so be it. Otherwise I'm going to use Malongo as our kill target to confirm another player's innocence. Read my posts please. This is very simple logic. | ||
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johnnyspazz
Taiwan1470 Posts
maybe the DTs can PM their findings to a trustworthy name and then we go from there? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
No need to invert the list since I'm going to kill Malongo anyway. Just switch me with dozko, or bump me ahead of him and keep it going. | ||
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