TL Mafia XVIII - Page 58

On February 16 2010 08:14 redtooth wrote:
maaaan what are you doing... L is the safest of the other candidates (outside of maybe BM) but he's still not overly safe. that's why i want him to be mayor. i've said the reason why i don't want ver to be elected many many many times. especially as pardoner... really what are you doing... you're giving Ver a chance to be pardoner with no reason as to why you should trust him any more than the next guy. sure he's smart and sure he's helped with some useful but really what are you doing? i've logically proven why i can't reasonably be mafia. Ver has played well, something he does whether he is mafia or not. what are you doing?

taken from the Myers-Briggs Thread (I'm an INTJ btw):
well they don't...

On February 16 2010 08:30 Bill Murray wrote:
We have 30 minutes to save the election.
I don't expect you all to run and vote for me, although that would provide me comfort that we have a green in office, but it would be nice if we could actually try to get someone from the town in office...

On February 16 2010 08:21 Ace wrote:


and I'm worried about YOU.

On February 16 2010 08:28 Bill Murray wrote:
Am I the only one worried about the fact that Ver, L, and Redtooth have seemed to be working together, and they're the 3 that are coming into office most likely?

I am very happy to see L and Redtooth not getting along, but they both seem to be getting along with Ver. Ver even said to me that he was voting for redtooth because he trusts him the most, but that if he had a second vote he would vote for me.... I just don't know. It seems like a load of shit to me.

The town needn't trust anyone so blindly

On February 16 2010 08:21 L wrote:

I'm not worried about him.

I'm worried about YOU.

On February 16 2010 08:05 Scamp wrote:


With this logic, you're saying the town wants to do nothing and let the mafia do all the work.

Basically, if we know someone is mafia we're going to kill them. Sure, the other family wants to kill them too, but the goal of the town is to take down as many mafia as possible as soon as possible to reduce their KP. We only need to worry about a mafia family winning once one family is reduced to the other family's KP.

Besides, if we don't kill people that we think are mafia, what else are we supposed to do with our lynches?

On February 16 2010 08:32 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:


sometimes i wonder if you're reading the same thread as everyone else

On February 16 2010 08:34 redtooth wrote:
ok i'm going to take this as slow as possible.

i never thought ace was innocent. i thought that you were wrong. i still think that you are wrong. for all the objections i've listed (clue balance issues, overtly obvious clues on a veteran mafia, day fucking one clues) you've yet to provide a counter-argument to any of them. you're counter-arguments consisted of 'well this clue is too good'. and you know what, you were acting pretty scummy. however as you explained the whole thing about the massive number of mafia i was willing to accept that maybe, just maybe, these clues might have something in them. still don't think that much crap points to Ace. do think you're on the ball with Emp (sent him in as my lynch candidate in case i somehow overtake you).

however at this point i was too deep in the argument with you about how i think you shouldn't do a lynch solely based off of clues that seemed too ridiculously obvious. part of the reason why i got in so deep is because of my genuine belief that i think you are wrong, that you are jumping the gun, and that you just want to kill Ace. but let's forget Ace for now, i don't care about him anymore and can't see how you think we can be allied.

so i realized that my play had shown that i am town-aligned. i didn't go around screaming "I'M BAD VOTE ME" but logically showed why my defense of Ace and attention-grabbing argument against you is either a very bad move by mafia or something a townie would do. i assumed people understood this but weren't moving because they were either (a) lazy, (b) stupid, (c) weren't told to do so and that is why i pushed so hard to get me elected (i had zero votes not too long ago... i'm talking not even 12 hours ago).

and honestly i wouldn't mind you getting out of mayor and BM stepping into that position. mayor doesn't really do much anyways so it doesn't matter who gets it. what does matter is that i know i am pardoner and i get that role.

and chezinu won't die. and if he doesn't die then it isn't too hard to see his actual role after one round. however we don't know for certain that he is townie (he is acting pretty normal other than the roleclaim) so i wouldn't want him in the pardoner seat.

any other arguments?

On February 16 2010 08:35 Mystlord wrote:

Correct. I want the town to do nothing, and the mafia to do all the work. I believe that our lynches should be used to reveal potential mafia, not actually kill mafia. If we're to pit the mafia against each other, then it stands to reason that we'd want to give mafia leads, not start lynching one a day.

As far as I'm concerned, lynching Empyrean gets us nowhere.

On February 16 2010 08:35 Bill Murray wrote:



no, but I have pms that you don't.

On February 16 2010 08:21 Ace wrote:


and I'm worried about YOU.

On February 16 2010 08:32 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:


sometimes i wonder if you're reading the same thread as everyone else

On February 16 2010 08:39 Bill Murray wrote:




"Mutual Chainsaw Defense, where two players defend each other by attacking each others' attackers. This is a major scumtell,"

On February 16 2010 08:29 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:


I'm trying to point out to you that saying "don't let L be pardoner, he could be mafia. Let ME be pardoner instead!" doesn't mean anything - for all anyone knows you could be red trying to make sure you get the pardoner spot. if anyone doesn't see this, then they are dumb, and you would be dumb if you thought nobody would notice it.

Your entire claim of innocence lies on the fact that you stepped into the Ace/L argument as a 3rd party and defended Ace. Clearly, someone who was red would never defend a player like Ace so therefore you must not be red! That is a circular form of reasoning, e.g. wine in front of me as I believe it is called.

For a while i thought your alignment was pretty clearly town as well (though for other reasons than you), but your recent zeal for obtaining the pardoner spot has seemed a bit out of character.

On February 16 2010 08:39 Bill Murray wrote:




"Mutual Chainsaw Defense, where two players defend each other by attacking each others' attackers. This is a major scumtell,"