EPTtredmasta: We need to vote for a double lynch a day in advance. We can't do it today - we have to do it tomorrow. However, I'm not confident that we have a 2nd candidate for a double lynch tomorrow. If anyone can pick through the clues some more and determine possible mafia candidates and make a convincing link, then a double lynch tomorrow is justified.
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Mystlord
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tredmasta: We need to vote for a double lynch a day in advance. We can't do it today - we have to do it tomorrow. However, I'm not confident that we have a 2nd candidate for a double lynch tomorrow. If anyone can pick through the clues some more and determine possible mafia candidates and make a convincing link, then a double lynch tomorrow is justified. | ||
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I might sound defensive and demeaning, but I would like to see a better link to the killer than what you're giving. I'm still finding keit a better lynch candidate for tonight. | ||
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Just asking. | ||
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http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=mystlord&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=iw http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&source=hp&q=mystlord&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi Your image result is last on the first page, and you're referring to FANART that nobody knows about unless they have some sort of hell bent motive to search up my nickname on google or something. ... Ok time to calm down... Basically what I'm saying is that you're falling into the trap of kane]deth[ again, where you're picking out some random part of the clue and trying to lynch based off of that. By the way, this is the only time the word "mystlord" appears on the AdventureQuest forums (where your picture source is from) A wand? You're kidding me. If you can find a way to logically connect that to pummeling Faronel with my bare fists and digging through his pockets for food, I'll vote to lynch myself. I'll post more later, but one last thing: On January 27 2010 08:30 meeple wrote: As for this, the mist reference isn't particularly the strongest of all, but I don't think it can be discounted. Clues very well be plays on the words, it doesn't necessarily have to be so obvious. As for now, its the only thing that fits that kill, and at the moment it fits it rather well. You're forgetting the strangulation by scarf. Why wouldn't I just leave him to die by the mist? By the way, mist is visible. The story of Zona's death features him walking into an area that was clear. At the very least, there's no mention of mist or obscured vision. | ||
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At this point, the fact of the matter is that either keit or DoctorHelvetica is innocent. One is absolutely a townie, because we cannot have two people making such great pushes for each other to be lynched as both mafia. Therefore, the possible combinations are: mafia vs townie and townie vs townie. I personally highly doubt a townie vs townie situation because of the fact that by lynching the other, the person pushing for the lynch will almost certainly appear innocent. Therefore, I believe that we have a mafia vs townie situation. In that line of thinking, confirming the identity of one will confirm the identity of the other. By lynching DH, we'll know keit's true colors, and by lynching keit, we'll know DH's true colors. Therefore, the question now becomes who to lynch? My personal vote is for keit. Here's my reasoning: If we lynch DoctorHelvetica, we lose a vital power that will almost certainly confirm whether a person is mafia or not, as well as protect a vital blue or townie (if things get that desperate). Therefore, in this situation, where we're unsure as to the guilt or innocence of either player, we have to make the decision to try and save our powers as best as possible, especially considering the fact that we have lynched no mafia. Therefore, we have a lot more to lose from lynching DoctorHelvetica and finding out that he's green/blue, versus lynching keit and finding out that he's green/blue. One final point on this. We have to realize that at this point, we for sure for sure have at least two clues on one mafia member. We have 8 clues for 7 mafia, so we're looking for repeating themes. If there's one repeating theme that I've seen, it's almost certainly referring to the cookie monster. Whether it's the apple shoving down the throat from day 1, or the barbarous nature of either the 2nd or 3rd attack from day 2, we've seen a lot more evidence pointing to keit than to DH. Therefore, I again emphasize my vote to lynch keit. | ||
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On January 27 2010 12:59 [NyC]HoBbes wrote: Killing keit will not reveal Dr.H's true colors. Even though I currently suspect Dr.H, if we kill keit and he turns up green, all this shows us is that we have once again mis-analyzed the clues. It does not necessarily mean that Dr.H is mafia, anymore than any of our other incorrect lynches have proved that the people who suggested them were mafia. If we kill keit and he turns up red, that could just suggest that the Mafia decided to sacrifice one of their least active members to save their biggest, most active member, which would not be such a bad strategy. I still don't see the reasoning behind the fact that keit brought up the clue reference in the first place. If it wasn't for him, DoctorHelvetica would never have been accused. Why would a mafia initiate the charges against DH? It would make sense if DH was already under heavy suspicion and keit become the primary advocate of lynching DH and brought up that clue reference, but that isn't the case here. However, I do see your point. I still feel that if we lose the incarceration power, we're in some deep shit. @citi.zen: Yes, I could tell that you would vote to lynch me if DoctorHelvetica flipped red. I know that you won't believe me when I say that my argument is in favor of the town, but it is. Regardless of whether or not you agree, I'd at least like for you to respond to my argument rather than merely brush it off as an attempt to save my own skin. I acknowledge that DoctorHelvetica might be guilty, but I fear rushing into lynching an important townie much more. Wait a second... If the Sheriff gets lynched, do we have another election to vote for a new Sheriff to replace DH? If so, then my argument is moot. | ||
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On January 27 2010 13:17 meeple wrote: Wow... just getting caught up. Well... to put it out there, keit very well might've gotten bored with the game and offered to sac himself for the better of the mafia, so they would continue to have a person in power. He posted this earlier: And when I questioned him about DrH's accusations against him he sent me this PM back: That's certainly interesting. Not sure exactly how that plays into things though. | ||
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myst I'm posting that link because it seems that people are stymied as to an alternative interpretation of the first half of my name. | ||
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On January 27 2010 14:09 [NyC]HoBbes wrote: 1. We're not lynching you right now, we are possibly lynching you in the future, mainly based on your posts relative to DoctorHelvetica. 2. The clues are not based on your interpretation of your username, but on the person creating the clues' interpretation of your username. 1. Fair enough, I'm just posting this here to let you know this for the future. 2. Also fair, but Myst is (was) a fairly popular game, so I wouldn't be surprised if the cluemakers knew of it. In fact, I would definitely not say that they would interpret my name as such if they cannot figure out what it means. I only ask that you not be so closed-minded and at least recognize the fact that there's a possibility that I'm a townie. In fact, if a DT is free tonight, I would consider it logical to clue check the 2nd killing. You might consider it a selfish act, but feel free to not clue check it if you have more pressing concerns. | ||
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On January 27 2010 14:15 citi.zen wrote: You are very likely red if DrH turns red. It is your behavior, as much as the clues that raise questions at this time. Even now you are trying to suggest stalling and going after keit/free/etc. instead of following the hard evidence obtained by lynching DrH. You are further trying to confuse matters by suggesting that either keit or DrH, but not both, have to be red - when this is clearly not the case at this point int the game. I just don't see it, sorry. It is not personal, I never even really suspected you before today. I'm only advocating a keit lynch because I believed that it would almost certainly reveal who was mafia and who wasn't. However, in the wake of the accusations against me, I kind of lost track of the keit vs DH lynch. Regardless, I just fear that the loss of the incarceration power would set us back by quite a bit especially since we've lost both bodyguards, so both DH and meeple are open to attack and we'd need to use up a medic on them each night. Incarceration would allow us to protect an extra townie, which might end up being crucial to our victory. However, I'm a bit less certain now about my theory, because I thought the mafia was too premature in attempting to find DH innocent at the cost of keit, but obviously you can never count out the mafia... Uhh I can't think right now. I'll come back and see what everyone else has posted after I've finished streaming Winner's League. | ||
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On January 27 2010 22:35 citi.zen wrote: Please explain who your other suspects are if keit flipped red. I am willing to keep an open mind. Note that we will have a double lynch, and possibly a vigilante to use. We need 2/3 or 3/3 hits to get mafia kp to 2. Sorry for the late reply. I was at school and then I took a nap :3. Initially I wanted to lynch keit because I feared losing the incarceration power, but then I went back, read my post, and realized that I pretty much failed to take into account the possibility that keit was a blue. Now while it's unlikely that a blue would spearhead the attack, the PM confirmed my suspicion that keit was acting like a maverick, whether he is mafia or town. Anyway, if keit is blue, then that would really explode my argument on DoctorHelvetica 3 times over, considering that I went back to the first post and realized that you can only use the incarceration power twice (thought it was like the medic power - daily use). Now directly addressing your question citi.zen, I felt that lynching keit would confirm 1) whether DH was town or mafia (which several people pointed out was false. I'm personally on a fence now.) 2) The motivation behind his posting, which I found to be rather suspicious. When I went back and looked through keit's posts, I found that keit generally had inconsistent play. Initially, he voted for DoctorHelvetica just out of the blue. No explanation at all in the thread. Then he voted for restraint on day 2, while a lot of people were pushing for a kane]deth[ lynch. On day 3 (or the end of day 2), he brought up the scalpel clue which led to the beginning of the movement to lynch DH. Now that to me was just strange. I didn't really get why keit would vote DH, then pretty much work against him for the entirety of the game. That, combined with my logic that both keit nor DH could be mafia, led me to go for a keit lynch because I was certain that lynching keit would confirm or deny DH's innocence, but that wasn't the case. Regardless, I have to go get ready for an interivew. I'm not voting to lynch keit anymore, and if DH flips red (which I'm almost certain he will at this point, especially adding in the fact that he retracted his vote for the double lynch), then I know that I'll be the next one on the list regardless of whatever I try to say, so whatever guys. It's been nice playing with you. | ||
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On January 28 2010 14:35 citi.zen wrote: Nikoner, Phrujbaz, keit, Hyperbola and Mystlord, please stand up. GG guys. Reasoning? I'm interested. | ||
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On January 29 2010 00:03 citi.zen wrote: Ok, let me answer this with respect to you. 1. Strong clue link - look at the freaking picture: 2. Shady posting behavior from the start, which got a LOT worse in the past 2 days. After my post on page 74 you should have read the writing on the wall and given up on DrH. The same goes for your mafia team-mates - sadly you guys just fell apart. After the votes/evidence started to pile in, you STILL argued. You bring up repeatedly the supposed "solution" of lynching keit first to "prove" DrH is not red. Even freaking DrH had given up at that point man - he stopped posting because he knew it was over! Even after that, you continue to claim we should not double-lynch, using nonsensical arguments and pointing fingers at the same players DrH obsessively attacked for many days now. Give me a break - this is not even subtle. I don't have the patience to copy/paste - anyone interested read from page 74 onwards. You are getting vigilante hit tonight. GG man, I feel there wasn't anything you could do, the entire team strategy lost you the game. 1. Did you not read my post breaking down Ng5's "image search"? Furthermore, the image that comes up does not have "Mystlord" in the title. The one that comes up is further down, and it refers to the wand that Ng5 posted later, which I also argued against with no further arguments from either you or Ng5. Don't ignore posts. 2. I never argued against a double lynch. Where are you getting this one from? As for arguing for a keit lynch, ever notice how it was just me? Who are "you guys"? And honestly, neither you nor Hobbes ever argued against my point of why keit would initiate the charges against DH so early in the game, when there was no suspicion pointing towards DH? And why keit would literally shoot the mafia in the foot with that move, considering that, if I was mafia, I would rush up with a, so you say, fail argument to defend DH? By the way, this: Since our mafia guys continue to be silent (I guess at this point they have said enough/nothing left to argue), Is just silly. Some of those who you accused have lives and are perhaps living on the West Coast where we're actually at school during your posts. And while Jugan did go overboard, I would say that he did raise some valid points. Maybe not the douche part, but this: On January 29 2010 02:46 Jugan wrote: Some one can't find a translation for a quote in a foreign language and that's supposed to mean something? Clues aren't based on posts genius. And you claim DrH is defending Hyperbola when he talks about the apple and implicates Keit when he doesn't even MENTION hyperbola? I feel, has some merit. | ||
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Interesting power that I somehow got though. | ||
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As for my defense of a keit lynch, I was actually strapped for time so I skimmed citi.zen's post and didn't see part about the clue check by the DT. After someone brought up something about confirming a DT, I went back and reread citi.zen's post, after which I realized I shot myself in the foot. At that point, I knew that everyone was already suspicious of me, so I had no choice but to play it out. Major fail by me  And I'm still kind of disheartened that the mod thought that my name was a play on "mist". I still think whoever came up with that could've found something better to go on, but whatever. The google image search is still an "ugh" in my mind though. | ||
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