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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On January 07 2010 09:49 Ace wrote: how is stopping a bandwagon anti-town? You'll have to explain that one to me. I've done it every game regardless of what role I've had so you can't call it a tell. The second part was sarcasm. L I'm not switching to RoL unless there's a really convincing argument. The convincing argument is pretty obvious; He's a poor player as you've already accepted, his 6 consecutive posts are emotive and generally content poor. If you prefer him dying to malongo, then you'll switch. | ||
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vx70GTOJudgexv
United States3161 Posts
On January 07 2010 09:49 Ace wrote: how is stopping a bandwagon anti-town? You'll have to explain that one to me. I've done it every game regardless of what role I've had so you can't call it a tell. The second part was sarcasm. L I'm not switching to RoL unless there's a really convincing argument. Generally, a player voicing opposition to a bandwagon with little case is a mafia member trying to either prevent his partner from being lynched or trying to get townie credit by opposing a wagon on a townie. This is my experience. Also, I see no reason to switch to RoL at the moment. He's a null read to me. | ||
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
On January 07 2010 06:25 Ace wrote: what exceptional information? I really want to know this. To answer this question from way back, I have no idea what exceptional information. Judge says he's going to work his magic, that'll provide exceptional information one way or another. Perhaps I dressed up the wording too much. Anyway, I personally do not have a strong read on anybody at this point. I do not see the strength of the argument against Malongo, but if there's a tie between him and Judge at the end of the day I wouldn't be opposed to lynching him in that case. My strongest suspicion right now, however, is Mikeymoo. "Strongest suspicion" is kind of a misnomer since I don't have a strong read on anybody, but something about his posts so far have given me suspicion. I think he's being overly careful not to attract attention to himself while trying to provide some content. I will be able to get back to my computer about 20 minutes before the deadline. I'll make any necessary vote changes then. | ||
mikeymoo
Canada7170 Posts
On January 07 2010 09:31 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: [...]Vivi hasn't really said much and is voting Mikey for some reason which he neglected to elaborate on.[...] On January 07 2010 06:24 Vivi57 wrote: [...] At this point, I think it's +ev for the mafia not to accuse anyone and just stay out of the way while the town hangs itself. The people who haven't posted much or accused anyone are: chez heavon mikeymoo All 3 have posted a bit, but haven't actually said anything. I'm much less inclined to kill heavon because it seems like he's putting in a decent effort. Chez has said that he is going to not do his brown crap this game and not posted anything else. Mikeymoo has responded more directly to the game, but not really to any situations that have arisen. Because of this, I'm going to put my vote there for now, but may have to change it because I think judge should live till day 2 at least. If you were still wondering, vivi doesn't seem to be here right now. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
@Judge: You forgot the other part: Is a townie trying to stop the town from lynching a player with no cause. You can read the game where I think BC almost got MikeyMoo lynched and I stuck my neck out to save him. Both of us were innocent. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
Your first post and this subsequent post set has no real content in it. I really don't see why you wouldn't have posted more during the first round unless you were actively trying to stay under the radar. You might have restricted posting times, but that doesn't explain the lack of volume of content; why a single tiny post? I called you out in my first post, but you actively ignored it. The risk/reward for killing you with your activity is pretty favorable compared to killing judge. If judge is telling the truth, he's going to be an active asset to the town. If he isn't, his influence is going to be checked by me and ace at the minimum. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On January 07 2010 09:55 Ace wrote: @L: The only person I'd want to see die is Judge. @Judge: You forgot the other part: Is a townie trying to stop the town from lynching a player with no cause. You can read the game where I think BC almost got MikeyMoo lynched and I stuck my neck out to save him. Both of us were innocent. Well, i'm somewhat the opposite, The only person i'm sure shouldn't die today is judge, whereas i'm flexible on who else we could lynch, hence why I have given you a choice. Its also a nice way of getting information about you, since you're somewhat forced to pick between Malongo and RoL. | ||
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vx70GTOJudgexv
United States3161 Posts
On January 07 2010 09:55 Ace wrote: @Judge: You forgot the other part: Is a townie trying to stop the town from lynching a player with no cause. You can read the game where I think BC almost got MikeyMoo lynched and I stuck my neck out to save him. Both of us were innocent. I almost never see this. One example does not justify a meta defense. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Except I didn't pick because neither of them seem more fishy to me than Judge. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On January 07 2010 10:00 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: I almost never see this. One example does not justify a meta defense. I've done it more than once. I do it ALL THE TIME. If you want we can pause the discussion and make a poll. You can also PM everyone that has played past Mafia games. They'll all tell you I stop town bandwagons from killing innocents regardless of my role. | ||
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vx70GTOJudgexv
United States3161 Posts
On January 07 2010 10:02 Ace wrote: I've done it more than once. I do it ALL THE TIME. If you want we can pause the discussion and make a poll. You can also PM everyone that has played past Mafia games. They'll all tell you I stop town bandwagons from killing innocents regardless of my role. Then you can't use it as a defense. And I don't use meta as a way to clear people, I use it as a way to crucify them if they play to a certain meta overall. Plus, the hole in your logic is "I do it all the time" which means you can still be scum. | ||
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Malongo
Chile3468 Posts
On January 07 2010 09:56 L wrote: Your first post and this subsequent post set has no real content in it. I really don't see why you wouldn't have posted more during the first round unless you were actively trying to stay under the radar. You might have restricted posting times, but that doesn't explain the lack of volume of content; why a single tiny post? I called you out in my first post, but you actively ignored it. The risk/reward for killing you with your activity is pretty favorable compared to killing judge. If judge is telling the truth, he's going to be an active asset to the town. If he isn't, his influence is going to be checked by me and ace at the minimum. Now this is odd. Where did I say lynch judge over me? where? . So the thing is: you want a volume of post for day1 over nothing? I understand that a veteran like you like to post a lot about some stuff and try to call people out. However you are directly impliying some fake stuff a)I post a lot a the start of the games (this is absolutely fake and checkeable). b) If I try to stay under the radar im not blue (again fake and checkeable). So the thing here is how much are you going to push on your own will against a no contender. | ||
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mikeymoo
Canada7170 Posts
On January 07 2010 09:54 Scamp wrote: To answer this question from way back, I have no idea what exceptional information. Judge says he's going to work his magic, that'll provide exceptional information one way or another. Perhaps I dressed up the wording too much. Anyway, I personally do not have a strong read on anybody at this point. I do not see the strength of the argument against Malongo, but if there's a tie between him and Judge at the end of the day I wouldn't be opposed to lynching him in that case. My strongest suspicion right now, however, is Mikeymoo. "Strongest suspicion" is kind of a misnomer since I don't have a strong read on anybody, but something about his posts so far have given me suspicion. I think he's being overly careful not to attract attention to himself while trying to provide some content. I will be able to get back to my computer about 20 minutes before the deadline. I'll make any necessary vote changes then. Wow bad timing by me if that's what you think. I'm not even sure how that makes me suspicious when other people are also trying to keep attention away from themselves. I'm just really confused right now. Usually my day 1 vote is pretty clear cut. This time though, I see no reason to kill Malongo (apart from keeping judge alive), and I don't care one way or the other if judge lives. I'm probably going to abstain in the end. | ||
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Malongo
Chile3468 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On January 07 2010 10:05 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: Then you can't use it as a defense. And I don't use meta as a way to clear people, I use it as a way to crucify them if they play to a certain meta overall. Plus, the hole in your logic is "I do it all the time" which means you can still be scum. But you made it sound earlier that defending innocents is a Mafia trait when I just proved to you that it is not. Hence why I called you out on it. You can't say me defending Malongo makes one or both of us scummy. There is no hole in my logic because I already admitted I do it regardless of my role. | ||
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vx70GTOJudgexv
United States3161 Posts
On January 07 2010 10:08 Ace wrote: But you made it sound earlier that defending innocents is a Mafia trait when I just proved to you that it is not. Hence why I called you out on it. You can't say me defending Malongo makes one or both of us scummy. There is no hole in my logic because I already admitted I do it regardless of my role. I generally find it to be a scumtell, yes. I'm not going to beat a dead horse with this, I find it to be generally scummy, and combined with some other plays you've made, I think it's a scum attempt, not a town attempt. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
1. RebirthOfLeGend - obv. against judge , posts a lot of irrelevant info. about previous games. red 2. Ace - likewise, find it funny they agree with each other for once(not like, omg fish funny, just funny in general  ) red3. L green 4. vx70GTOJudgexv blue 5. Scamp - usually quiet when mafia, probably quiet if given a blue role as well. green 6. Zato-1 green 7. Chezinu - i dont see why he wouldn't keep up with his masquerade-ish style of posting if given a blue/red role therefore green 8. nemY - makes a case against judge red + Show Spoiler + On January 07 2010 04:21 nemY wrote: My Problem with Judge was posted in the previous Mini-Mafia game here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=99804¤tpage=20 Now Judge specifically dismisses the idea of a anyone publicly roleclaiming and now he wants us to believe that it's ok with him? Are you suppose to be an exception to your own rule? You say you have a fail-safe plan? This game isn't designed to have fail-safe 100% guaranteed plans. Besides that, the track record with anybody publicly role-claiming before night one is zilch I believe (myself included). All they do is start needless chaos and mayhem (which is always in the best interests of the mafia). The best method for reducing this needless drama is getting rid of them early. This is why I'm voting to lynch Judge. 9. HeavOnEarth - seems to be the general consensus- green 10. Vivi57 - points out inactivity and gives some information in past games referring to scamp, also used the term +EV so <3 green 12. Mikeymoo - seems to be genuinely busy green 13. Malongo - reason im making this post, seems green to me  green | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
Now this is odd. Where did I say lynch judge over me? where? . So the thing is: you want a volume of post for day1 over nothing? I understand that a veteran like you like to post a lot about some stuff and try to call people out. However you are directly impliying some fake stuff a)I post a lot a the start of the games (this is absolutely fake and checkeable). b) If I try to stay under the radar im not blue (again fake and checkeable). So the thing here is how much are you going to push on your own will against a no contender. I didn't say you wanted to lynch judge over yourself. Other people did. You were specifically called out as my first target to be lynched in my first post when I opened up the first day lynch discussion and you completely ignored it, posted nearly nothing. I really don't give a shit what you 'normally' do. I want people posting. I gave people fair warning, and specifically singled you out. I'm not enamored with the idea of killing you; i'd rather kill RoL. I don't, however, want to risk getting judge killed by switching off and having you and another player swinging to get him killed. | ||
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