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DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-13 09:26:32
August 13 2012 09:26 GMT
#5721
Rio's ceremonies better be NSFW.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18629 Posts
August 13 2012 09:56 GMT
#5722
On August 13 2012 18:07 Alethios wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2012 13:06 jmbthirteen wrote:
Go ask those people who won gold in Tennis, Basketball and Soccer how important they Olympics are to them. Charles Barkley said representing his country was the greatest thing he has ever done. You think Andy Murray winning gold wasn't the biggest victory he's ever had? What about team Mexico? Winning gold was life changing for them.

Taking those sports out of the Olympics would be a HORRIBLE decision. They are huge events, some of the most popular events. You are essentially punishing those sports for having a legit, strong professional scene by taking them out of the Olympics.

Andy Murray's gold is the biggest victory he's ever had only because he's never won a grand slam. He'd trade that gold for victory at Wimbledon in a heart beat. A heart beat. Look at Nadal, he pulled out of the Olympics to give himself some rest in the lead up to the US Open. He's already won gold, so why bother going for a second?


Are you serious?
Do you seriously believe he would trade that gold medal IN HIS HOME OLYMPICS for a wimbledon victory?
fearus
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
China2164 Posts
August 13 2012 10:23 GMT
#5723
On August 13 2012 18:56 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2012 18:07 Alethios wrote:
On August 13 2012 13:06 jmbthirteen wrote:
Go ask those people who won gold in Tennis, Basketball and Soccer how important they Olympics are to them. Charles Barkley said representing his country was the greatest thing he has ever done. You think Andy Murray winning gold wasn't the biggest victory he's ever had? What about team Mexico? Winning gold was life changing for them.

Taking those sports out of the Olympics would be a HORRIBLE decision. They are huge events, some of the most popular events. You are essentially punishing those sports for having a legit, strong professional scene by taking them out of the Olympics.

Andy Murray's gold is the biggest victory he's ever had only because he's never won a grand slam. He'd trade that gold for victory at Wimbledon in a heart beat. A heart beat. Look at Nadal, he pulled out of the Olympics to give himself some rest in the lead up to the US Open. He's already won gold, so why bother going for a second?


Are you serious?
Do you seriously believe he would trade that gold medal IN HIS HOME OLYMPICS for a wimbledon victory?


Yes.
bisu fanboy
radiatoren
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Denmark1907 Posts
August 13 2012 10:28 GMT
#5724
On August 13 2012 13:10 DannyJ wrote:
They need to bring back tug of war. I don't care if it could last hours / days.

A very undervalued event and a really excellent spirit. Basically it is the olympics without the big sports and big budgets. It has become THE hunting ground for future olympic sports, which is why it is supported by IOC:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Games
Repeat before me
Fleuria
Profile Joined April 2011
England466 Posts
August 13 2012 10:31 GMT
#5725
On August 13 2012 18:56 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2012 18:07 Alethios wrote:
On August 13 2012 13:06 jmbthirteen wrote:
Go ask those people who won gold in Tennis, Basketball and Soccer how important they Olympics are to them. Charles Barkley said representing his country was the greatest thing he has ever done. You think Andy Murray winning gold wasn't the biggest victory he's ever had? What about team Mexico? Winning gold was life changing for them.

Taking those sports out of the Olympics would be a HORRIBLE decision. They are huge events, some of the most popular events. You are essentially punishing those sports for having a legit, strong professional scene by taking them out of the Olympics.

Andy Murray's gold is the biggest victory he's ever had only because he's never won a grand slam. He'd trade that gold for victory at Wimbledon in a heart beat. A heart beat. Look at Nadal, he pulled out of the Olympics to give himself some rest in the lead up to the US Open. He's already won gold, so why bother going for a second?


Are you serious?
Do you seriously believe he would trade that gold medal IN HIS HOME OLYMPICS for a wimbledon victory?


Yes he would because its his home gland slam, also Olympics is getting the same respect ranking wise as a grand slam in rio due to the massive success at London.

Also Nadal has pulled out of the US open aswell when he pulled out of the Olympics.

Basketball and Tennis should stay, football don't know so much should really be a pro competition like the other 2.
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4735 Posts
August 13 2012 10:57 GMT
#5726
On August 13 2012 16:30 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2012 16:21 Malinor wrote:
On August 13 2012 16:03 sharkie wrote:
On August 13 2012 13:37 LaNague wrote:
On August 13 2012 11:43 lethal111 wrote:
I quite enjoy watching soccer, and tennis. Even though I don't play those sports often they are still interesting. I think it would suck if they removed those two sports. And I would hate golfing at the Rio 2016 TT





especially in soccer the thing is that noone involved with soccer cares. They even managed to ban the real soccer teams and only players under 21 or something may participate. This is purely because the responsible soccer people care more about their training.


The same thing is the NBA currently lobbying for, they too dont want their players at the olympics.




Well, and my opinion is, if the sport doesnt want to be there, remove it.
Also, i dont know about those being the most popular sports. I know that in germany noone watched olympic soccer.


Of course they didn't. Neither their Women or their Men's team made it to the Olympics.


We truly don't care here for the men's tournament (which is actually the reason why we don't qualify, they don't really try), never have. Women would have been another matter, it is a bigger tournament for them and it was a huge upset we couldn't qualify.


Oh Germany doesn't care about the UEFA European Under-21 Football Championship?

That's new to me.


Let me clarify: We don't care that you get a spot to the olympics for performing well. The point is, we don't send the best team to these events: The best 20-year old players will simply already play in the adult team. It is just not important to us as a football nation.
Of course there is always players who would love to go and qualify, and they are sad when we don't. But that is not the point. The point is that we don't nearly do everything in our power to qualify, and besides a couple of articles in the major newspapers directly after the tournament, noone talks about it.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42392 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-13 11:25:19
August 13 2012 11:20 GMT
#5727
Well, just read that first gold medalist got caught using anabolic steroids. She's the Belarus shot-put champion, Nadzeja Ostaptshuk.

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"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18629 Posts
August 13 2012 12:00 GMT
#5728
On August 13 2012 19:57 Malinor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2012 16:30 sharkie wrote:
On August 13 2012 16:21 Malinor wrote:
On August 13 2012 16:03 sharkie wrote:
On August 13 2012 13:37 LaNague wrote:
On August 13 2012 11:43 lethal111 wrote:
I quite enjoy watching soccer, and tennis. Even though I don't play those sports often they are still interesting. I think it would suck if they removed those two sports. And I would hate golfing at the Rio 2016 TT





especially in soccer the thing is that noone involved with soccer cares. They even managed to ban the real soccer teams and only players under 21 or something may participate. This is purely because the responsible soccer people care more about their training.


The same thing is the NBA currently lobbying for, they too dont want their players at the olympics.




Well, and my opinion is, if the sport doesnt want to be there, remove it.
Also, i dont know about those being the most popular sports. I know that in germany noone watched olympic soccer.


Of course they didn't. Neither their Women or their Men's team made it to the Olympics.


We truly don't care here for the men's tournament (which is actually the reason why we don't qualify, they don't really try), never have. Women would have been another matter, it is a bigger tournament for them and it was a huge upset we couldn't qualify.


Oh Germany doesn't care about the UEFA European Under-21 Football Championship?

That's new to me.


Let me clarify: We don't care that you get a spot to the olympics for performing well. The point is, we don't send the best team to these events: The best 20-year old players will simply already play in the adult team. It is just not important to us as a football nation.
Of course there is always players who would love to go and qualify, and they are sad when we don't. But that is not the point. The point is that we don't nearly do everything in our power to qualify, and besides a couple of articles in the major newspapers directly after the tournament, noone talks about it.


Oh and other countries send their best players to these events? Pretty sure their 20 year old super talents also play for the senior side already.

And again, Germany doesn't care about the UEFA Under 21?
They don't stop mentioning that Hummels, Neuer, Ozil, Boateng, etc. are UEFA Under 21 Champions. Commentators, Coaches, Players, Experts.
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-13 12:08:26
August 13 2012 12:06 GMT
#5729
On August 13 2012 18:56 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2012 18:07 Alethios wrote:
On August 13 2012 13:06 jmbthirteen wrote:
Go ask those people who won gold in Tennis, Basketball and Soccer how important they Olympics are to them. Charles Barkley said representing his country was the greatest thing he has ever done. You think Andy Murray winning gold wasn't the biggest victory he's ever had? What about team Mexico? Winning gold was life changing for them.

Taking those sports out of the Olympics would be a HORRIBLE decision. They are huge events, some of the most popular events. You are essentially punishing those sports for having a legit, strong professional scene by taking them out of the Olympics.

Andy Murray's gold is the biggest victory he's ever had only because he's never won a grand slam. He'd trade that gold for victory at Wimbledon in a heart beat. A heart beat. Look at Nadal, he pulled out of the Olympics to give himself some rest in the lead up to the US Open. He's already won gold, so why bother going for a second?


Are you serious?
Do you seriously believe he would trade that gold medal IN HIS HOME OLYMPICS for a wimbledon victory?


A hundred times yes.

The Olympic tennis has really been a sideshow on the tour since it was reintroduced, and it was only with the added weight of being held at Wimbledon that this year got more interest and prestige.

Maybe in the future winning the Olympics will be held in the same esteem as winning a slam - at the least it seems like top players aren't outright skipping it nowadays since they've added in tour point -, but for now I'm pretty sure most players would trade in Olympic gold for a Slam title.
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4735 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-13 12:20:58
August 13 2012 12:15 GMT
#5730
On August 13 2012 21:00 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2012 19:57 Malinor wrote:
On August 13 2012 16:30 sharkie wrote:
On August 13 2012 16:21 Malinor wrote:
On August 13 2012 16:03 sharkie wrote:
On August 13 2012 13:37 LaNague wrote:
On August 13 2012 11:43 lethal111 wrote:
I quite enjoy watching soccer, and tennis. Even though I don't play those sports often they are still interesting. I think it would suck if they removed those two sports. And I would hate golfing at the Rio 2016 TT





especially in soccer the thing is that noone involved with soccer cares. They even managed to ban the real soccer teams and only players under 21 or something may participate. This is purely because the responsible soccer people care more about their training.


The same thing is the NBA currently lobbying for, they too dont want their players at the olympics.




Well, and my opinion is, if the sport doesnt want to be there, remove it.
Also, i dont know about those being the most popular sports. I know that in germany noone watched olympic soccer.


Of course they didn't. Neither their Women or their Men's team made it to the Olympics.


We truly don't care here for the men's tournament (which is actually the reason why we don't qualify, they don't really try), never have. Women would have been another matter, it is a bigger tournament for them and it was a huge upset we couldn't qualify.


Oh Germany doesn't care about the UEFA European Under-21 Football Championship?

That's new to me.


Let me clarify: We don't care that you get a spot to the olympics for performing well. The point is, we don't send the best team to these events: The best 20-year old players will simply already play in the adult team. It is just not important to us as a football nation.
Of course there is always players who would love to go and qualify, and they are sad when we don't. But that is not the point. The point is that we don't nearly do everything in our power to qualify, and besides a couple of articles in the major newspapers directly after the tournament, noone talks about it.


Oh and other countries send their best players to these events? Pretty sure their 20 year old super talents also play for the senior side already.

And again, Germany doesn't care about the UEFA Under 21?
They don't stop mentioning that Hummels, Neuer, Ozil, Boateng, etc. are UEFA Under 21 Champions. Commentators, Coaches, Players, Experts.


I don't know what outher countries do, I talk about Germany here. You seem to think that I am trying to make up excuses for the poor (non)-showing of Germany in the Olympic Football events, just pretending that Germans don't care. But for all I know we really don't care and I have already mentioned why I think that. And as I said, for the women it was a huge upset, Olympia is much more important for the german womens team.
Of course I can be wrong. But Germany hasn't qualified for the olympics since 1988. Given that in the following 24 years the senior team made it into the top4 of 4 European Champinships and 4 World Cups (and 2 finals each). How likely do you think it is that during all this time our youth was so terrible that despite all their efforts they weren't able to qualify? I find that very unlikely.

edit: The U21 championships of the mentioned players serves mostly as an argument for the hopeful coming of a "golden generation". They didn't make Özil, Götze or Reus or whatever play any olympic qualifiers though (but now I really don't know which players would be too old and whatnot, just an observation, I just know that Götze could have played, but didn't).
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18629 Posts
August 13 2012 12:26 GMT
#5731
On August 13 2012 21:15 Malinor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2012 21:00 sharkie wrote:
On August 13 2012 19:57 Malinor wrote:
On August 13 2012 16:30 sharkie wrote:
On August 13 2012 16:21 Malinor wrote:
On August 13 2012 16:03 sharkie wrote:
On August 13 2012 13:37 LaNague wrote:
On August 13 2012 11:43 lethal111 wrote:
I quite enjoy watching soccer, and tennis. Even though I don't play those sports often they are still interesting. I think it would suck if they removed those two sports. And I would hate golfing at the Rio 2016 TT





especially in soccer the thing is that noone involved with soccer cares. They even managed to ban the real soccer teams and only players under 21 or something may participate. This is purely because the responsible soccer people care more about their training.


The same thing is the NBA currently lobbying for, they too dont want their players at the olympics.




Well, and my opinion is, if the sport doesnt want to be there, remove it.
Also, i dont know about those being the most popular sports. I know that in germany noone watched olympic soccer.


Of course they didn't. Neither their Women or their Men's team made it to the Olympics.


We truly don't care here for the men's tournament (which is actually the reason why we don't qualify, they don't really try), never have. Women would have been another matter, it is a bigger tournament for them and it was a huge upset we couldn't qualify.


Oh Germany doesn't care about the UEFA European Under-21 Football Championship?

That's new to me.


Let me clarify: We don't care that you get a spot to the olympics for performing well. The point is, we don't send the best team to these events: The best 20-year old players will simply already play in the adult team. It is just not important to us as a football nation.
Of course there is always players who would love to go and qualify, and they are sad when we don't. But that is not the point. The point is that we don't nearly do everything in our power to qualify, and besides a couple of articles in the major newspapers directly after the tournament, noone talks about it.


Oh and other countries send their best players to these events? Pretty sure their 20 year old super talents also play for the senior side already.

And again, Germany doesn't care about the UEFA Under 21?
They don't stop mentioning that Hummels, Neuer, Ozil, Boateng, etc. are UEFA Under 21 Champions. Commentators, Coaches, Players, Experts.


I don't know what outher countries do, I talk about Germany here. You seem to think that I am trying to make up excuses for the poor (non)-showing of Germany in the Olympic Football events, just pretending that Germans don't care. But for all I know we really don't care and I have already mentioned why I think that. And as I said, for the women it was a huge upset, Olympia is much more important for the german womens team.
Of course I can be wrong. But Germany hasn't qualified for the olympics since 1988. Given that in the following 24 years the senior team made it into the top4 of 4 European Champinships and 4 World Cups (and 2 finals each). How likely do you think it is that during all this time our youth was so terrible that despite all their efforts they weren't able to qualify? I find that very unlikely.


I am talking about the UEFA Under 21 tournaments here which is the third most important tournament in International Football for Europeans.
Germany does take them very seriously. And Germany has just caught up now with their youth work. Their 1990 win was impressive but there is a reason they have won only one (two if you count under 21) big tournament since then.
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4735 Posts
August 13 2012 12:39 GMT
#5732
I am now out of my comfort zone, I cannot talk about how seriously we take that tournament every year (I don't even know how often it takes place), all I can say is that there is absolutley no outcry when we fail to qualify for the olympics. Nothing that makes officials sweat, newspapers rage or politics concerned. And never in my life have I talked with friends about an Olympic Football tournament or the qualification process. It just isn't even a piece of discussion. Of course that doesn't necessarily say something about how serious Germany takes that U21 tournament. But I guess by now I have made my point and I would only repeat myself, so I'll leave it at that.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
August 13 2012 13:05 GMT
#5733
Yeah the tennis this Olympics was only marginally more interesting purely because it was at Wimbeldon.
Malaz
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany1257 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-13 14:19:14
August 13 2012 14:16 GMT
#5734
On August 13 2012 20:20 Grettin wrote:
Well, just read that first gold medalist got caught using anabolic steroids. She's the Belarus shot-put champion, Nadzeja Ostaptshuk.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Who could have guessed.
I saw her pushing the shot when I switched channels and just after I saw the next athlete I was 100% sure that it was in fact the women competition ^^

The real question is if she still gets the life long free supply of sausages one belarus sponsor offered her for the gold medal :p
Aristodemus
Profile Joined January 2011
England2010 Posts
August 13 2012 15:18 GMT
#5735
I broke down the golds earlier in this thread for team GB. As it turned out to be our greatest ever olympics I have finished the list. Amazing performance by our guys, if you excluded swimming from the medal table we would have been only one behind USA which is incredible for the 60m of us! I doubt I will ever see a better medal haul in my life.

INDIVIDUAL GOLD
Greg Rutherford - Long Jump (English)
Mo Farah - 10k (English)
Mo Farah - 5k (English)
Jess Ennis - Heptathlon (English)
Bradley Wiggins - TT (English)
Vicky Pendleton - Keirin (English)
Andy Murray - Tennis (Scottish)
Ben Ainslie - Finn class (English)
Peter Wilson - Shooting (English)
Luke Campbell - Bantamweight (English)
Anthony Joshua - Super Heavyweight (English)
Nicola Adams - W Flyweight (English)
Ed McKeever - Canoe sprint (English)
Jason Kenny - Sprint (English BOLTON!)
Chris Hoy - Keirin (Scottish)
Laura Trott - Omnium (English)
Charlotte Dujardin - Dressage (English)
Jade Jones - W57k Taekwondo (Welsh)
Alistair Brownlee - Triathlon (English)


TEAM GOLD
Etienne Stott - Canoe (English)
Tim Baillee - Canoe (Scottish)
Phillip Hindes - Team Sprint (German but represented through England)
Jason Kenny - Team Sprint (English BOLTON!)
Chris Hoy - Team Sprint (Scottish)
Laura Trott - Team Pursuit W (English)
Jo Rowsell - Team pursuit W (English)
Dani King - Team pursuit W (English)
Ed Clancy - Team pursuit (English)
Stephen Burke - Team pursuit (English)
Geraint Thomas - Team pursuit (Welsh)
Peter Kennaugh - Team pursuit (IOM)
Alex Gregory - Mens Four (English)
Peter Reed - Mens Four (English)
Tom James - Mens Four (Welsh)
Andrew Triggs Hodge - Mens Four (Seriously how could he not be English)
Helen Glover - Womens pair (English)
Heather Stanning - Womens pair (Scottish/English))
Katherine Grainger - Womens db sculls (Scottish)
Anna Watkins - Womens db sculls (English)
Katherine Copeland - Womens LW db sculls (English)
Sophie Hosking - Womens LW db sculls (English/Scottish)
Charlotte Dujardin - Team Dressage (English)
Laura Bechtolscheimer - Team Dressage (English)
Carl Hester - Team Dressage (Sark)
Nick Skelton - Team Jumping (English)
Scott Brash - Team Jumping (Scottish)
Peter Charles - Team Jumping (English)
Ben Maher - Team Jumping (English)


INDIVIDUAL GOLD
England - 16
Scotland - 2
Wales - 1

TEAM GOLD
England - 20
Scotland - 4
Wales - 2
Isle of Man - 1 (shame their real star was fucked over)
Sark - 1
once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
August 13 2012 18:29 GMT
#5736
On August 13 2012 22:05 ShadeR wrote:
Yeah the tennis this Olympics was only marginally more interesting purely because it was at Wimbeldon.

I don't know, the prospect of Federer actually getting his Golden Slam would have been enough to sell the whole thing for me.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
August 13 2012 22:24 GMT
#5737
Interesting to note that Obama is NOT the head of state presiding over the most gold medals.
That would be + Show Spoiler +
The Queen+ Show Spoiler +
because she is still the head of state of Australia, Canada, Jamaica, New Zealand as well as Great Britain of course
Don't hate the player - Hate the game
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
August 13 2012 22:39 GMT
#5738
You don't really think about it but marathoners are actually running stupidly fast for 26 miles. Their avg mile time is ~4:55, faster than most people can run a mile.



Doesn't look like particularly fit people trying but it does give some scale. I'm fairly fit and I can probably only keep up with him for the first 800m, I don't think I'd last much longer than that.
AndyJay
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Australia833 Posts
August 13 2012 23:42 GMT
#5739
On August 13 2012 18:56 sharkie wrote:Are you serious?
Do you seriously believe he would trade that gold medal IN HIS HOME OLYMPICS for a wimbledon victory?


Do you follow tennis...? He would in a second.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18629 Posts
August 14 2012 08:59 GMT
#5740
On August 14 2012 08:42 AndyJay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2012 18:56 sharkie wrote:Are you serious?
Do you seriously believe he would trade that gold medal IN HIS HOME OLYMPICS for a wimbledon victory?


Do you follow tennis...? He would in a second.


I follow tennis enough to know no one remembers single Grand Slam winners opposed to Golden Medal tennis players.
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