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On August 02 2012 07:19 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 07:03 JoeSchmoe wrote:On August 02 2012 06:24 sAsImre wrote:On August 02 2012 06:19 radiatoren wrote:On August 02 2012 05:37 Trok67 wrote:On August 02 2012 05:20 JoeSchmoe wrote:
why the hell would it make sense to be allowed to change racers?
eg: country A comes with 4 good swimmers for this event. country B has 8 such swimmers with the same skills as country A. country B has the distinct advantage because they can rotate out swimmers who are tired. Also who gets the medals then? Really makes no sense. it makes sense if you consider that the team is made of more than 4 people (up to 8 athletes). That is coherent with the fact that swimmers who swim during the series/semifinal gets the medal too even if they haven't swam during the final. That actually makes even less sense. Why would you ever use only 4 swimmers, if you can get away with using 8 and thereby assuring 8 players a medal? The medals encourage changing lineup as much as possible, which does not make any consistency in the competition. If you have a team of 4 and no more you have everyone on an equal footing. If the stars can't be bothered to waste time and energy on team-events, it is just too bad for their medal-counts... it's not a question of being bothered it's a question of viability. those stars have to do 3runs in each race they're engaged and they just cannot afford to do heat/semis for team races. Without Phelps/Magnussen/Lochte & co a lot of ppl wouldn't watch those events. About the silly example of the 1st poster: country A has 0 depth and thus is normally put at a disadvantage. Your view of fairness makes you oblivious about everythingelse... that's a completely unfounded assumption. the relay is a legitimate medal event, not something that swimmers take part in if they have the time. also you bring up the fact that no one would watch it without phelps/mag/lochte, etc which is also nonsense considering the fact that people watch them because they're the best swimmers for their respective countries who have the best chance of helping their country secure a medal. If it was a popularity competition for ratings, you might as well just throw bieber and prince harry in there. nice nice someone should read a bit of Schopenauer before trying to be smart. Lochte/Mag and co are the most popular because of one reason: they're the best AND they bring in the audience. You're trying to mix things up either because you're a retard or don't have any argument, i'll take the latter in your case tho.
not sure if someone who have repeatedly demonstrated that he can't even edit a post properly should be calling anyone a retard. maybe try your hand at reading comprehension before making a reply. the whole point is you brought up that ppl wouldn't watch the event w/o phelps/magnus/lochte which is stupid. people watch it because they want to see the best. it just so happens that in our era, these names come in the form of phelps/magnus/lochte so essentially you were agreeing with me but was too thick to realize this.
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An Olympic bus hit a cyclist outside the arena and killed them. Zzzzzzzz. ><.
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After watching beach volleyball I never realized how big a difference there was between the terribad nbc commentators and the bbc ones. I also like how the sound guy doesn't mute out the sounds from the court and the crowd even sounds louder. <3 bbc, too much badminton and judo where there are no commentators most of the time.
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On August 02 2012 07:38 JoeSchmoe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 07:19 sAsImre wrote:On August 02 2012 07:03 JoeSchmoe wrote:On August 02 2012 06:24 sAsImre wrote:On August 02 2012 06:19 radiatoren wrote:On August 02 2012 05:37 Trok67 wrote:On August 02 2012 05:20 JoeSchmoe wrote:
why the hell would it make sense to be allowed to change racers?
eg: country A comes with 4 good swimmers for this event. country B has 8 such swimmers with the same skills as country A. country B has the distinct advantage because they can rotate out swimmers who are tired. Also who gets the medals then? Really makes no sense. it makes sense if you consider that the team is made of more than 4 people (up to 8 athletes). That is coherent with the fact that swimmers who swim during the series/semifinal gets the medal too even if they haven't swam during the final. That actually makes even less sense. Why would you ever use only 4 swimmers, if you can get away with using 8 and thereby assuring 8 players a medal? The medals encourage changing lineup as much as possible, which does not make any consistency in the competition. If you have a team of 4 and no more you have everyone on an equal footing. If the stars can't be bothered to waste time and energy on team-events, it is just too bad for their medal-counts... it's not a question of being bothered it's a question of viability. those stars have to do 3runs in each race they're engaged and they just cannot afford to do heat/semis for team races. Without Phelps/Magnussen/Lochte & co a lot of ppl wouldn't watch those events. About the silly example of the 1st poster: country A has 0 depth and thus is normally put at a disadvantage. Your view of fairness makes you oblivious about everythingelse... that's a completely unfounded assumption. the relay is a legitimate medal event, not something that swimmers take part in if they have the time. also you bring up the fact that no one would watch it without phelps/mag/lochte, etc which is also nonsense considering the fact that people watch them because they're the best swimmers for their respective countries who have the best chance of helping their country secure a medal. If it was a popularity competition for ratings, you might as well just throw bieber and prince harry in there. nice nice someone should read a bit of Schopenauer before trying to be smart. Lochte/Mag and co are the most popular because of one reason: they're the best AND they bring in the audience. You're trying to mix things up either because you're a retard or don't have any argument, i'll take the latter in your case tho. not sure if someone who have repeatedly demonstrated that he can't even edit a post properly should be calling anyone a retard. maybe try your hand at reading comprehension before making a reply. the whole point is you brought up that ppl wouldn't watch the event w/o phelps/magnus/lochte which is stupid. people watch it because they want to see the best. it just so happens that in our era, these names come in the form of phelps/magnus/lochte so essentially you were agreeing with me but was too thick to realize this.
this is hilarious.
Locthe/Phelps and co are the best thus ppl want to watch them. You agreed with this point in your second post. Then tried to transform the fact i'm saying that ppl want to watch Lochte & co (on which you agree they're the best) putting into my mouth the popularity contest thing.
Brilliant i must applaud.
This isn't starcraft, popular people happen to be the best.
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after all that stupid talk about swim racing, in which sport will it happen.. athletics relay when you realize that the jamaican B team might get a chrono worth a bronze medal?
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The amount of racers in the relay is arbitrary. Why only 4, 5, 6, 7? Why is it a 4x100? Why not 3x100? Why not 2x100 then? It's a team race that is there to show off the depth of your country's competitors, and having 4 swimmers but being able to put in reserves when your best needs to rest is a completely justified and fair way of running a team event. Have you ever watched other team sporting events before? That's all the reason that needs to be shown.
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On August 02 2012 08:21 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 07:38 JoeSchmoe wrote:On August 02 2012 07:19 sAsImre wrote:On August 02 2012 07:03 JoeSchmoe wrote:On August 02 2012 06:24 sAsImre wrote:On August 02 2012 06:19 radiatoren wrote:On August 02 2012 05:37 Trok67 wrote:On August 02 2012 05:20 JoeSchmoe wrote:
why the hell would it make sense to be allowed to change racers?
eg: country A comes with 4 good swimmers for this event. country B has 8 such swimmers with the same skills as country A. country B has the distinct advantage because they can rotate out swimmers who are tired. Also who gets the medals then? Really makes no sense. it makes sense if you consider that the team is made of more than 4 people (up to 8 athletes). That is coherent with the fact that swimmers who swim during the series/semifinal gets the medal too even if they haven't swam during the final. That actually makes even less sense. Why would you ever use only 4 swimmers, if you can get away with using 8 and thereby assuring 8 players a medal? The medals encourage changing lineup as much as possible, which does not make any consistency in the competition. If you have a team of 4 and no more you have everyone on an equal footing. If the stars can't be bothered to waste time and energy on team-events, it is just too bad for their medal-counts... it's not a question of being bothered it's a question of viability. those stars have to do 3runs in each race they're engaged and they just cannot afford to do heat/semis for team races. Without Phelps/Magnussen/Lochte & co a lot of ppl wouldn't watch those events. About the silly example of the 1st poster: country A has 0 depth and thus is normally put at a disadvantage. Your view of fairness makes you oblivious about everythingelse... that's a completely unfounded assumption. the relay is a legitimate medal event, not something that swimmers take part in if they have the time. also you bring up the fact that no one would watch it without phelps/mag/lochte, etc which is also nonsense considering the fact that people watch them because they're the best swimmers for their respective countries who have the best chance of helping their country secure a medal. If it was a popularity competition for ratings, you might as well just throw bieber and prince harry in there. nice nice someone should read a bit of Schopenauer before trying to be smart. Lochte/Mag and co are the most popular because of one reason: they're the best AND they bring in the audience. You're trying to mix things up either because you're a retard or don't have any argument, i'll take the latter in your case tho. not sure if someone who have repeatedly demonstrated that he can't even edit a post properly should be calling anyone a retard. maybe try your hand at reading comprehension before making a reply. the whole point is you brought up that ppl wouldn't watch the event w/o phelps/magnus/lochte which is stupid. people watch it because they want to see the best. it just so happens that in our era, these names come in the form of phelps/magnus/lochte so essentially you were agreeing with me but was too thick to realize this. this is hilarious. Locthe/Phelps and co are the best thus ppl want to watch them. You agreed with this point in your second post. Then tried to transform the fact i'm saying that ppl want to watch Lochte & co (on which you agree they're the best) putting into my mouth the popularity contest thing. Brilliant i must applaud. This isn't starcraft, popular people happen to be the best.
Not sure why I'm even bothering at this point since it's clear even you have no idea what your talking about. According to you, I agree with you in my second post, tried to transform your words in my third post which I somehow already did so in my second post. This is coming from the same guy who states there is one reason for their popularity and then goes on to cite two reasons (with capital 'AND' emphasis I might add), one of which is completely dependent on the other. I must confess this conversation with you was a complete waste of time but hey at least you learned how to edit.
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On August 02 2012 07:26 JoeSchmoe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 07:19 radiatoren wrote:On August 02 2012 07:12 JoeSchmoe wrote:On August 02 2012 05:37 Trok67 wrote:On August 02 2012 05:20 JoeSchmoe wrote:
why the hell would it make sense to be allowed to change racers?
eg: country A comes with 4 good swimmers for this event. country B has 8 such swimmers with the same skills as country A. country B has the distinct advantage because they can rotate out swimmers who are tired. Also who gets the medals then? Really makes no sense. it makes sense if you consider that the team is made of more than 4 people (up to 8 athletes). That is coherent with the fact that swimmers who swim during the series/semifinal gets the medal too even if they haven't swam during the final. where is your source that teams are composed up to 8 athletes? Then you can change all 4 swimmers out in the final. 4+4=8 so logic is enough. not really a logical assumption. no team has switched out all 4 swimmers. the most I saw was 2. it can be also inferred from this fact that teams are allowed 2 subs. i can't find concrete rules for this anywhere but from what i have found, it appears you are allowed substitutions at individual events as well which is odd...
The US swapped out their whole 4x100 team this year, so this statement is just wrong
Last year they swapped out 3 for their 4x100 team
Every year, they swap out their 4x100 medlay team
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What is the record for most bronze medals in an Olympic event?
Cause I am starting to think Japan is going for that. -_-
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On August 02 2012 09:53 sharkie wrote:
What is the record for most bronze medals in an Olympic event?
Cause I am starting to think Japan is going for that. -_-
Soviet Union 46 bronze medals in 1988 and 1980. 1980 was the one the US boycotted in Moscow.
42 Bronze medals for East Germany in 1980
At first glance the most bronzes I'm seeing in a single Olympics is 38 for the Russians in 2004
USA got 37 in 1992
USA got 36 in 2008
Those are the highest numbers I found
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japan, I'm disappointed. Some of the sports they excel at like judo, they only managed to get 1 gold from it.
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if it's a team competition then you can use all your dudes. it doesn't say 4 man relay race.
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couldn't get the medal even after they won after the controversial decision in favor of japan...
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God how do you look at losing a swimming race by one hundredth of a second.
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germany going for king of silver 
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How is it that despite winning the men's team gold in gymnastics there isn't a single Chinese man in the individual all around? Gymnastics qualifications confuse me.
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On August 02 2012 15:39 red4ce wrote:
How is it that despite winning the men's team gold in gymnastics there isn't a single Chinese man in the individual all around? Gymnastics qualifications confuse me.
I think it was explained earlier in the thread a few pages back but afaik china messed up in the all around quallies and barely got into the team final and did have one guy on reserve for individual final but when the spot opened up he decided not to participate.
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Oh my... One of the koreans in archery just got eliminated in the RO16 by a french frog.
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On August 02 2012 17:35 radiatoren wrote:
Oh my... One of the koreans in archery just got eliminated in the RO16 by a french frog.
Bérengère Schuh is 8th in the world ranking, the korean wasn't in the top 20.
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EPT
