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On February 17 2014 08:03 Chicane wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 08:02 skykh wrote:On February 17 2014 08:01 Chicane wrote:On February 17 2014 08:00 Woony wrote:On February 17 2014 07:57 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On February 17 2014 07:56 Chicane wrote:On February 17 2014 07:52 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On February 17 2014 07:47 Chicane wrote:On February 17 2014 07:44 Redox wrote:On February 17 2014 07:39 Woony wrote:
Honestly I think Riot is fucking retarded for trying to make allstars a serious thing anyways. I swear it's just because they can't get their ass around having some other real international tournaments except for worlds so they abuse the poor all-stars. Yeah All-stars is a surrogate for real international competition, to make us shut up about it. Which is why I am annoyed by all the hype around it. We had BotA at the start, Worlds at the end, and small things like IEM. I don't understand why people think it is so wrong that fans like me get to enjoy a "fun" tournament. I enjoy the unique aspect to it. I do wish Riot would also encourage teams to go to events like IEM though in the many ways they could. AllStars are okay. But not when they give fucking spot at Worlds just for lulz. They could give it to Korea anyway and all could be okay with it. But giving enormously important spot for region just because of "mix" who adapted to each other faster than other? It's kinda weird to say the least. Well I was responding to it being a "surrogate for real international competition". I can't say I really care too much about the reward though. It's really just the one team that doesn't do well doesn't get a top 8 placement, right? It just means that for whichever region does worst, the best team from that region has to make it out of groups. Meh. Riot said that this shit with bye rounds won't happen again. Thank God i hope it won't be like replays or Magma Chamber. #neverforget S1, S2 and S3 finals all had huge fuckups in terms of tournament format/running so I don't exactly trust Riot to not fuck it up. How was S3 a huge fuck up in that regard? Tsm get the most difficult group, c9 no warm-ups Well actually SKT not being first was a problem with how the Korean league is. So many people talk about how good it is, but really it meant that the strongest team wasn't considered "first place" because results from 6+ months prior were still relevant with their system. If that wasn't the case, then SKT wouldn't have been in groups. As for C9 not getting warm ups, I didn't hear about that, but that's pretty shitty.
The big problems I had with the S3 WC format is:
- Regional Bye to Ro8, I get that it's the "reward" for placing 1st in the region but it meant that those teams potentially play one Bo3 and get eliminated (see C9 and Gama Bears)
- Random selection of Ro8 opponents, this lead to the China vs China match which was basically a replay of the recent Chinese Regional final (but with less games)
- Basing any of it on All-Star, while a fun tournament having any WC decisions based on All-Star tournament feels stupid (especially when Europe has team with 3 different languages and some non-english speakers)
- Controversial one (and not to start a LoL vs DotA debate) but the lack of a loser bracket, while I loved the production of S3 there was just very little storyline to the games (outside of Group B's close end) when compared to TI3's loser bracket games, this may just be that the skill level in DotA is closer than in LoL but so many teams getting eliminated before the bracket stage and then the lackluster Ro8 made alot of the games pretty boring. Also, hopefully it would have given us a more interesting final match (NJBS from their Semi performance would have put up a better fight that Royal Club).
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On February 17 2014 08:03 Chicane wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 08:02 skykh wrote:On February 17 2014 08:01 Chicane wrote:On February 17 2014 08:00 Woony wrote:On February 17 2014 07:57 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On February 17 2014 07:56 Chicane wrote:On February 17 2014 07:52 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On February 17 2014 07:47 Chicane wrote:On February 17 2014 07:44 Redox wrote:On February 17 2014 07:39 Woony wrote:
Honestly I think Riot is fucking retarded for trying to make allstars a serious thing anyways. I swear it's just because they can't get their ass around having some other real international tournaments except for worlds so they abuse the poor all-stars. Yeah All-stars is a surrogate for real international competition, to make us shut up about it. Which is why I am annoyed by all the hype around it. We had BotA at the start, Worlds at the end, and small things like IEM. I don't understand why people think it is so wrong that fans like me get to enjoy a "fun" tournament. I enjoy the unique aspect to it. I do wish Riot would also encourage teams to go to events like IEM though in the many ways they could. AllStars are okay. But not when they give fucking spot at Worlds just for lulz. They could give it to Korea anyway and all could be okay with it. But giving enormously important spot for region just because of "mix" who adapted to each other faster than other? It's kinda weird to say the least. Well I was responding to it being a "surrogate for real international competition". I can't say I really care too much about the reward though. It's really just the one team that doesn't do well doesn't get a top 8 placement, right? It just means that for whichever region does worst, the best team from that region has to make it out of groups. Meh. Riot said that this shit with bye rounds won't happen again. Thank God i hope it won't be like replays or Magma Chamber. #neverforget S1, S2 and S3 finals all had huge fuckups in terms of tournament format/running so I don't exactly trust Riot to not fuck it up. How was S3 a huge fuck up in that regard? Tsm get the most difficult group, c9 no warm-ups Well actually SKT not being first was a problem with how the Korean league is. So many people talk about how good it is, but really it meant that the strongest team wasn't considered "first place" because results from 6+ months prior were still relevant with their system. If that wasn't the case, then SKT wouldn't have been in groups. As for C9 not getting warm ups, I didn't hear about that, but that's pretty shitty.
The whole bye/group system was flawed. C9 played a single bo3 while mediocre teams like Mineski played a shit ton of games in group stages.
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On February 17 2014 08:19 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 08:16 onlywonderboy wrote:On February 17 2014 08:14 krndandaman wrote:On February 17 2014 08:12 wei2coolman wrote:On February 17 2014 08:11 GhandiEAGLE wrote:On February 17 2014 08:09 Zergneedsfood wrote:On February 17 2014 08:02 skykh wrote:On February 17 2014 08:01 Chicane wrote:On February 17 2014 08:00 Woony wrote:On February 17 2014 07:57 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
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Riot said that this shit with bye rounds won't happen again.
Thank God i hope it won't be like replays or Magma Chamber.
#neverforget S1, S2 and S3 finals all had huge fuckups in terms of tournament format/running so I don't exactly trust Riot to not fuck it up. How was S3 a huge fuck up in that regard? Tsm get the most difficult group, c9 no warm-ups Let's be fair here. TSM wasn't getting out of either group and saying C9 had no warm up because they got seeded is pretty lol Idk, I'd give TSM a pretty decent chance to get out of that group. Vulcun almost got out, and Gambit/Ozone played really poorly at Worlds. I know TSM fans are delusional, but this is new level. lol. im not even sure if TSM as it is now which is 100folds stronger than TSM with regi last season could win a group with Gambit/Fnatic. The old TSM team had 0 chance of making it out against Fnatic/Gambit. Considering how Fnatic has been playing these last couple weeks it's not that unlikely. Edit: Oh I see what you meant nvm Gambit and fnatic are overrated. People always say gambit are the korean killers, bootcamp, etc. When's the last time they won a tournament? Fnatic lost to C9 legitimately and excuses can't be made about that series. Fnatic were practicing, they just sucked when Kassadin gets banned out.
When was the last time they won a tournament? Well the last time there were any tournamnets outside LCS. Lol.
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On February 17 2014 08:14 krndandaman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 08:12 wei2coolman wrote:On February 17 2014 08:11 GhandiEAGLE wrote:On February 17 2014 08:09 Zergneedsfood wrote:On February 17 2014 08:02 skykh wrote:On February 17 2014 08:01 Chicane wrote:On February 17 2014 08:00 Woony wrote:On February 17 2014 07:57 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On February 17 2014 07:56 Chicane wrote:On February 17 2014 07:52 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
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AllStars are okay.
But not when they give fucking spot at Worlds just for lulz.
They could give it to Korea anyway and all could be okay with it.
But giving enormously important spot for region just because of "mix" who adapted to each other faster than other?
It's kinda weird to say the least. Well I was responding to it being a "surrogate for real international competition". I can't say I really care too much about the reward though. It's really just the one team that doesn't do well doesn't get a top 8 placement, right? It just means that for whichever region does worst, the best team from that region has to make it out of groups. Meh. Riot said that this shit with bye rounds won't happen again. Thank God i hope it won't be like replays or Magma Chamber. #neverforget S1, S2 and S3 finals all had huge fuckups in terms of tournament format/running so I don't exactly trust Riot to not fuck it up. How was S3 a huge fuck up in that regard? Tsm get the most difficult group, c9 no warm-ups Let's be fair here. TSM wasn't getting out of either group and saying C9 had no warm up because they got seeded is pretty lol Idk, I'd give TSM a pretty decent chance to get out of that group. Vulcun almost got out, and Gambit/Ozone played really poorly at Worlds. I know TSM fans are delusional, but this is new level. lol. im not even sure if TSM as it is now which is 100folds stronger than TSM with regi last season could win a group with Gambit/Fnatic. The old TSM team had 0 chance of making it out against Fnatic/Gambit.
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I think people aren't remembering how close Gambit was to losing in that group to Vulcun of all teams. They weren't playing close to their usual standards (which with Edward is definitely higher than TSM).
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HIT THE TURRET. SOMEONE. PLEASE!
FINALLY!
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Shiphtur playing this game near perfect.
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United States19229 Posts
On February 17 2014 08:20 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 08:19 Itsmedudeman wrote:On February 17 2014 08:16 onlywonderboy wrote:On February 17 2014 08:14 krndandaman wrote:On February 17 2014 08:12 wei2coolman wrote:On February 17 2014 08:11 GhandiEAGLE wrote:On February 17 2014 08:09 Zergneedsfood wrote:On February 17 2014 08:02 skykh wrote:On February 17 2014 08:01 Chicane wrote:On February 17 2014 08:00 Woony wrote:
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S1, S2 and S3 finals all had huge fuckups in terms of tournament format/running so I don't exactly trust Riot to not fuck it up.
How was S3 a huge fuck up in that regard? Tsm get the most difficult group, c9 no warm-ups Let's be fair here. TSM wasn't getting out of either group and saying C9 had no warm up because they got seeded is pretty lol Idk, I'd give TSM a pretty decent chance to get out of that group. Vulcun almost got out, and Gambit/Ozone played really poorly at Worlds. I know TSM fans are delusional, but this is new level. lol. im not even sure if TSM as it is now which is 100folds stronger than TSM with regi last season could win a group with Gambit/Fnatic. The old TSM team had 0 chance of making it out against Fnatic/Gambit. Considering how Fnatic has been playing these last couple weeks it's not that unlikely. Edit: Oh I see what you meant nvm Gambit and fnatic are overrated. People always say gambit are the korean killers, bootcamp, etc. When's the last time they won a tournament? Fnatic lost to C9 legitimately and excuses can't be made about that series. Fnatic were practicing, they just sucked when Kassadin gets banned out. When was the last time they won a tournament? Well the last time there were any tournamnets outside LCS. Lol.
A tournament between 4 real teams, 1 of which was actually a terrible team (CLG) compared to the other 3 isn't a real tournament.
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When is the last time tsm win vs korea teams?
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On February 17 2014 08:19 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 08:16 onlywonderboy wrote:On February 17 2014 08:14 krndandaman wrote:On February 17 2014 08:12 wei2coolman wrote:On February 17 2014 08:11 GhandiEAGLE wrote:On February 17 2014 08:09 Zergneedsfood wrote:On February 17 2014 08:02 skykh wrote:On February 17 2014 08:01 Chicane wrote:On February 17 2014 08:00 Woony wrote:On February 17 2014 07:57 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
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Riot said that this shit with bye rounds won't happen again.
Thank God i hope it won't be like replays or Magma Chamber.
#neverforget S1, S2 and S3 finals all had huge fuckups in terms of tournament format/running so I don't exactly trust Riot to not fuck it up. How was S3 a huge fuck up in that regard? Tsm get the most difficult group, c9 no warm-ups Let's be fair here. TSM wasn't getting out of either group and saying C9 had no warm up because they got seeded is pretty lol Idk, I'd give TSM a pretty decent chance to get out of that group. Vulcun almost got out, and Gambit/Ozone played really poorly at Worlds. I know TSM fans are delusional, but this is new level. lol. im not even sure if TSM as it is now which is 100folds stronger than TSM with regi last season could win a group with Gambit/Fnatic. The old TSM team had 0 chance of making it out against Fnatic/Gambit. Considering how Fnatic has been playing these last couple weeks it's not that unlikely. Edit: Oh I see what you meant nvm Gambit and fnatic are overrated. People always say gambit are the korean killers, bootcamp, etc. When's the last time they won a tournament that mattered? Fnatic lost to C9 legitimately and excuses can't be made about that series. Fnatic were practicing, they just sucked when Kassadin gets banned out.
"When's the last time they won a tournament that mattered?"
When is the last time any team won a tournament that mattered, other than SKT? It seems like most people think Worlds is all that matters anyway, but even if you consider pretty much the only other two recent tournaments there is EU LCS Summer and Spring, one of which they won...
So I don't know what you expect. And Fnatic won the other one who you are calling overrated. How much more do you expect from those teams? Honestly, I am curious.
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snoopeh such a fucking noob wow got hit by 3 hooks and 2 spears in a row.
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
For the first time in yolopete's career he went aggressive.
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United States23745 Posts
The truest definition of Yolopete
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Shiphtur/Daydreamin combo really good.
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On February 17 2014 08:21 wei2coolman wrote:
Shiphtur playing this game near perfect.
Shiptur pls, these spears
also these thresh hooks/flays onto traps.
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eg is a bunch of average players no chance in competition. exept krepo lol
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On February 17 2014 08:19 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 08:16 onlywonderboy wrote:On February 17 2014 08:14 krndandaman wrote:On February 17 2014 08:12 wei2coolman wrote:On February 17 2014 08:11 GhandiEAGLE wrote:On February 17 2014 08:09 Zergneedsfood wrote:On February 17 2014 08:02 skykh wrote:On February 17 2014 08:01 Chicane wrote:On February 17 2014 08:00 Woony wrote:On February 17 2014 07:57 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
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Riot said that this shit with bye rounds won't happen again.
Thank God i hope it won't be like replays or Magma Chamber.
#neverforget S1, S2 and S3 finals all had huge fuckups in terms of tournament format/running so I don't exactly trust Riot to not fuck it up. How was S3 a huge fuck up in that regard? Tsm get the most difficult group, c9 no warm-ups Let's be fair here. TSM wasn't getting out of either group and saying C9 had no warm up because they got seeded is pretty lol Idk, I'd give TSM a pretty decent chance to get out of that group. Vulcun almost got out, and Gambit/Ozone played really poorly at Worlds. I know TSM fans are delusional, but this is new level. lol. im not even sure if TSM as it is now which is 100folds stronger than TSM with regi last season could win a group with Gambit/Fnatic. The old TSM team had 0 chance of making it out against Fnatic/Gambit. Considering how Fnatic has been playing these last couple weeks it's not that unlikely. Edit: Oh I see what you meant nvm Gambit and fnatic are overrated. People always say gambit are the korean killers, bootcamp, etc. When's the last time they won a tournament that mattered? Fnatic lost to C9 legitimately and excuses can't be made about that series. Fnatic were practicing, they just sucked when Kassadin gets banned out.
How many times did Gambit lose to NA team? Oh wait, it's same number to TSM's wins against Koreans.
IEM Cologne is their last win, and oh wait, what happened to C9 there...
And you're acting like C9 won not because of Kassadin :D
Anyway, it's not right thread to speak about NA/EU fights.
If S4 Worlds will have double elimination with all teams advancing from brackets - it will be ideal.
But let's just wait for it.
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did shyv die with ult up wtf
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These fucking spears, homing fucking missiles.
This is the fucking coast I love to watch.
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I'm pretty sure pobelter could 1v4
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