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vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
September 20 2013 06:15 GMT
#10381
On September 20 2013 15:13 Shikyo wrote:
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On September 20 2013 15:10 krndandaman wrote:
someone remind me why their comp from the 1st game today was not suitable for this game?
why didnt they do something like the double AD comp like before?

Kassadin sorta dumps on double AD if he gets through the early game all right(this game he even got shut down really hard early and it didn't matter)


To be fair, dade gave all the advantage back. They could have applied a lot more pressure on kass if they didn't like Corki get back into the game.
BackSideAttack
Profile Joined December 2010
1103 Posts
September 20 2013 06:15 GMT
#10382
On September 20 2013 15:14 Cel.erity wrote:
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On September 20 2013 15:10 Cubu wrote:
now that fnatic is guaranteed to make it through, i think they will just give their european team a win.


I don't think this is a given. Fnatic has good incentive to try and knock Gambit out if they believe Gambit poses a bigger threat to them in the playoffs. I'm not sure how deep their friendship goes, but if I'm playing for hundreds of thousands of dollars, I'll take any edge I can get.


Why would Fnatic consider gambit a threat when they've pretty much won every game against them since recent times.
Volband
Profile Joined March 2011
Hungary6034 Posts
September 20 2013 06:15 GMT
#10383
On September 20 2013 15:14 Cel.erity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2013 15:10 Cubu wrote:
now that fnatic is guaranteed to make it through, i think they will just give their european team a win.


I don't think this is a given. Fnatic has good incentive to try and knock Gambit out if they believe Gambit poses a bigger threat to them in the playoffs. I'm not sure how deep their friendship goes, but if I'm playing for hundreds of thousands of dollars, I'll take any edge I can get.

They could only meet in the finals, so I doubt it wil laffect Fnatic's decision of going lightly on Gambit.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
September 20 2013 06:15 GMT
#10384
On September 20 2013 15:14 Fubi wrote:
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On September 20 2013 15:03 Zdrastochye wrote:
On September 20 2013 15:01 NeoIllusions wrote:
Ozone shames Korea.


If Korea doesn't win worlds I think they can be contenders for being the most overhyped region considering two shots at worlds and zero titles.

I still think Najin will win.

That doesn't mean to say I think Korea isn't the best server, it clearly is, I'm just saying the feeling going into this worlds was Koreans would just walk over everyone, even SKT T1 has struggled at times.


People need to stop taking "Koreans are better than other region" out of context. The thing that makes Koreans better than other region isn't that their top teams are miles ahead of other region's top teams. It's the fact that they have more QUANTITY of top teams. The top European teams and Chinese teams had always been competitive with top korean teams; but it's almost the same 2-3 top teams for those regions. Whereas in Korea, the sheer amount of top teams coming out of nowhere is crazy. To put it in perspective, SKT1 wasn't even formed in the first round of OGN champions this season, and that was also KTB's first season afaik.

So yes, if you think of it that way, the korean competitve scene for LoL is stil way ahead from that perspective.

To be honest, EU and NA are both just playing way better than pretty much everyone expected, while Ozone is seriously underperforming in part due to Dade getting figured out, losing the experience of Homme, and the rest of the team just not playing up to par.
Flakes
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States3125 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-20 06:19:41
September 20 2013 06:16 GMT
#10385
On September 20 2013 15:14 Cubu wrote:
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On September 20 2013 15:11 Dan HH wrote:
On September 20 2013 15:10 Cubu wrote:
now that fnatic is guaranteed to make it through, i think they will just give their european team a win.

Says the guy who implied several times that Gambit threw against Fnatic in their first match-up

they have no incentive because the next round matchups are gonna be random, so no difference between 1st and 2nd in group stage. Why should they bother?

considering that gambit went 0-4 vs fnatic in LCS, and lost another one in worlds, it would be highly suspicious.
Gambit really just sucks vs. Fnatic
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
September 20 2013 06:16 GMT
#10386
On September 20 2013 15:15 thefreed wrote:
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On September 20 2013 15:12 Leeto wrote:
On September 20 2013 15:08 thefreed wrote:
The thing is Korea had various logical problems with their circuit points. Getting Najin Sword and Ozone qualifying, because they both just got a seed based on it, and the rest of the current strong teams had to go through regionals.
They should have just made a system where the top teams have through go through each other again, and got a 1,2,3 spot.

I think SKT and KT Bullets were the clear 2 top teams of Korea recently. And it's questionable for SG Ozone vs CJ frost.

It's a fact that CJ blaze had problems with team chemistry and the team had a bad atmosphere causing it.. Like one of the members said that even though when they performed good, they didn't have a good team atmosphere, and they thought that they could just keep playing well even though they aren't all friendly with each other in the team.

I think Ozone had clear problems with Dade's champion pool being fucked prior to worlds.
But they also didn't have good game plan and clear losers to fnatic.

So 1.Skt 2. KT Bullets 3. I would think CJ Frost, because honestly they have more star players compaired to Najin and Ozone.


I agree with everything here, but don't count out Najin just yet. They did take a spot by default that could have gone to KTB, but they might yet surprise everyone.


I still think they have some good players but their top lane is weaker then what it used to be. Other lanes aren't star material, the only good team they beat in NLB was CJ blaze this season, and they weren't even in top 5 this season.


Almost everyone in Korea believes Expession is a much better top than Maknoon. He is/was regarded as good or better than Flame and Shy.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
Thurken
Profile Joined September 2011
961 Posts
September 20 2013 06:16 GMT
#10387
On September 20 2013 14:58 Fionn wrote:
Ozone had the game.

Dade threw it away. End of story.

That's not objective and belittles Fnatic's play. They surely could have won the game without that double Dade gank. But if you're a Ozone fan, you can say that
PhOeniX[MinD]
Profile Joined August 2008
361 Posts
September 20 2013 06:16 GMT
#10388
im thinking that if OMG was the runner up from china and they look very solid, Royal club will roll over the rest of the teams
KT_FlaSh #1
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
September 20 2013 06:16 GMT
#10389
On September 20 2013 15:13 Fionn wrote:
http://op.gg/summoner/userName=CJ Entus 플레임

Flame pretty much just plays purple champions in solo queue.


It's funny because that's what I do lol.
MattBarry
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4006 Posts
September 20 2013 06:17 GMT
#10390
On September 20 2013 15:01 Thinasy wrote:
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On September 20 2013 15:01 O-ops wrote:
On September 20 2013 15:00 Thinasy wrote:
Stop letting Dade plays for fuck sake, he's useless



Well that too ofc. But Lissandra is trash too

Lissandra is awesome wtf. Good damage, good cc
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ChEDo
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada310 Posts
September 20 2013 06:17 GMT
#10391
Ozone has to bring Homme back, just fly him over to LA right now. Its the only way to save the group (not sure if they even can now).

Homme was keeping all those punks in line, from laughing and throwing. Need that Korean Elder Golem up in this.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
September 20 2013 06:17 GMT
#10392
On September 20 2013 15:13 Volband wrote:
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On September 20 2013 15:11 Dan HH wrote:
On September 20 2013 15:10 Cubu wrote:
now that fnatic is guaranteed to make it through, i think they will just give their european team a win.

Says the guy who implied several times that Gambit threw against Fnatic in their first match-up

Don't know about that, but it's like 99% sure that if Gambit wants the 2nd spot, they can get it. If they pick some brainless teamcomp like today's game 1, Fnatic might punish them, but if they are serious, they only have to worry about Vulcun.


Except Gambit is like something like 0-7 vs Fnatic... Their play style just don't match up well.
BackSideAttack
Profile Joined December 2010
1103 Posts
September 20 2013 06:17 GMT
#10393
On September 20 2013 15:12 Swords wrote:
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On September 20 2013 15:10 Cubu wrote:
now that fnatic is guaranteed to make it through, i think they will just give their european team a win.


I highly doubt this considering they already got penalized once. They'll probably hide strats and not try anything to interesting, but I'd expect they'll play their best considering they don't want to deal with any collusion accusations.


There's no way to prove an intentional throw if you are subtle enough with it. All they have to do is go even in the early game and then get caught a few times in the mid game.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
September 20 2013 06:17 GMT
#10394
On September 20 2013 15:16 Thurken wrote:
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On September 20 2013 14:58 Fionn wrote:
Ozone had the game.

Dade threw it away. End of story.

That's not objective and belittles Fnatic's play. They surely could have won the game without that double Dade gank. But if you're a Ozone fan, you can say that

Dade gave away the sure win but it was winnable even after 2 deaths. It was the biggest turning point in what should have been an ozone snowball but ozone could have made better plays and played better strategically.
Shiznick
Profile Joined December 2008
United States2200 Posts
September 20 2013 06:17 GMT
#10395
On September 20 2013 15:16 Thurken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2013 14:58 Fionn wrote:
Ozone had the game.

Dade threw it away. End of story.

That's not objective and belittles Fnatic's play. They surely could have won the game without that double Dade gank. But if you're a Ozone fan, you can say that

bruh i dunno if you can call that a gank when a guy walks into lane and dies to the two people there.
Vonthin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2864 Posts
September 20 2013 06:17 GMT
#10396
On September 20 2013 15:17 ChEDo wrote:
Ozone has to bring Homme back, just fly him over to LA right now. Its the only way to save the group (not sure if they even can now).

Homme was keeping all those punks in line, from laughing and throwing. Need that Korean Elder Golem up in this.


Homme has been in LA this entire time.
Best Trashcan NA - LoL Summoner. SKT / CLG / Liquid
Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
September 20 2013 06:18 GMT
#10397
On September 20 2013 15:14 Cubu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2013 15:11 Dan HH wrote:
On September 20 2013 15:10 Cubu wrote:
now that fnatic is guaranteed to make it through, i think they will just give their european team a win.

Says the guy who implied several times that Gambit threw against Fnatic in their first match-up

they have no incentive because the next round matchups are gonna be random, so no difference between 1st and 2nd in group stage. Why should they bother?

Fnatic destroys Gambit every single game because Gambit has a complete mental block when playing them. 7 games in a row, and each one looks worse and worse for Gambit. Why would Fnatic give that up? If they let Gambit get a win back on them, maybe Gambit will actually have hope and start winning games against them. Gotta kick them when they're down and keep them there.
Writer:o
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
September 20 2013 06:18 GMT
#10398
On September 20 2013 15:17 BackSideAttack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2013 15:12 Swords wrote:
On September 20 2013 15:10 Cubu wrote:
now that fnatic is guaranteed to make it through, i think they will just give their european team a win.


I highly doubt this considering they already got penalized once. They'll probably hide strats and not try anything to interesting, but I'd expect they'll play their best considering they don't want to deal with any collusion accusations.


There's no way to prove an intentional throw if you are subtle enough with it. All they have to do is go even in the early game and then get caught a few times in the mid game.

Shield didnt manage it against Sword
WriterFollow me @TL_Chexx
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
September 20 2013 06:19 GMT
#10399
On September 20 2013 15:16 Thurken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2013 14:58 Fionn wrote:
Ozone had the game.

Dade threw it away. End of story.

That's not objective and belittles Fnatic's play. They surely could have won the game without that double Dade gank. But if you're a Ozone fan, you can say that


Ozone were in complete control. Fnatic played well -- extremely well -- but the two free kills were a complete throw and changed the game completely. To be fair, Imp also got caught out, and the dragon steal was a 2k shift for Fnatic, but those two straight deaths by Dade for no reason were a killer.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
ChEDo
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada310 Posts
September 20 2013 06:19 GMT
#10400
I hope SKT and Sword can pick up Ozones mess. Lets go PRAY!
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