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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
July 18 2013 21:37 GMT
#221
On July 19 2013 06:36 wei2coolman wrote:
God; that wave clear from Zionspartan is disgusting.

wei, meet Renekton.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Serelitz
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands2895 Posts
July 18 2013 21:37 GMT
#222
On July 19 2013 06:36 Nos- wrote:
I see people have realized that you don't need to tank anything on Elise if she just kills everything first


idk he just needs to be a bigger threat so CST can't stack armour and win I guess so he goes a bit more squishy build.

Also does baron not attack minions anymore? Zyra plant was at half duration.
Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
July 18 2013 21:37 GMT
#223
Zion building Renekton like a baller, I like it
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
July 18 2013 21:37 GMT
#224
On July 19 2013 06:35 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2013 06:31 Numy wrote:
On July 19 2013 06:29 NeoIllusions wrote:
On July 19 2013 06:29 Numy wrote:
Cop has really become one of the best ADC in NA atm. Impressive stuff.

whoa whoa, l0l
He's not passive like before. I'll give him that.


How many good ADC are left in NA? Turtle slumping hard. Dontmashme is a bit meh. Sneaky is pretty good. qtpie is hard to judge because of throws. Double never know which double will arrive on the day. Zuna is basically dig. Maple is iffy on non-Draven/Varus.

So really it's Double(On a good day)/Qtpie(#digithrows) and Sneaky as top ADC in NA.

I won't mention Double, not become of his resume, but more because comparing CLG/Crs is too different. There's different level of expectation from the ADCs on those two teams.

qtpie is a fairer comparison (dig and Crs are very dependent on their solo lanes and their ADC need to arrive to end game relevant) and I don't think Cop is at qtpie's level yet. Sneaky's closer to qtpie (in terms of mechanics, experience, decision making) than Cop is atm.


Well for the current meta I feel Sneaky is by far the best ADC in NA. He's the only one I feel that doesn't demand farm or stalling to be relevant. He's relevant from the start of the game and stays relevant so they never lose any momentum. I actually think Genja has a similar mindset with his strange dorans builds.
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
July 18 2013 21:38 GMT
#225
On July 19 2013 06:36 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2013 06:36 Nos- wrote:
I see people have realized that you don't need to tank anything on Elise if she just kills everything first

We talking about Voy's build? It's pretty standard if you ask me.

I usually see sorc haunting into a sunfire or rylais and other tanky items. Her abilities are pretty stupid with a glass cannon build.
Bronze player stuck in platinum
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 18 2013 21:38 GMT
#226
On July 19 2013 06:37 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2013 06:36 wei2coolman wrote:
God; that wave clear from Zionspartan is disgusting.

wei, meet Renekton.

with hydra; dat wave clear. there's a reason why i fucking love the item.
liftlift > tsm
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
July 18 2013 21:39 GMT
#227
On July 19 2013 06:37 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2013 06:35 NeoIllusions wrote:
On July 19 2013 06:31 Numy wrote:
On July 19 2013 06:29 NeoIllusions wrote:
On July 19 2013 06:29 Numy wrote:
Cop has really become one of the best ADC in NA atm. Impressive stuff.

whoa whoa, l0l
He's not passive like before. I'll give him that.


How many good ADC are left in NA? Turtle slumping hard. Dontmashme is a bit meh. Sneaky is pretty good. qtpie is hard to judge because of throws. Double never know which double will arrive on the day. Zuna is basically dig. Maple is iffy on non-Draven/Varus.

So really it's Double(On a good day)/Qtpie(#digithrows) and Sneaky as top ADC in NA.

I won't mention Double, not become of his resume, but more because comparing CLG/Crs is too different. There's different level of expectation from the ADCs on those two teams.

qtpie is a fairer comparison (dig and Crs are very dependent on their solo lanes and their ADC need to arrive to end game relevant) and I don't think Cop is at qtpie's level yet. Sneaky's closer to qtpie (in terms of mechanics, experience, decision making) than Cop is atm.


Well for the current meta I feel Sneaky is by far the best ADC in NA. He's the only one I feel that doesn't demand farm or stalling to be relevant. He's relevant from the start of the game and stays relevant so they never lose any momentum. I actually think Genja has a similar mindset with his strange dorans builds.

mandatory mention of Yango and his 3rd position ADCs.
It's what yellowpete should have been but hasn't fulfilled.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Serelitz
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands2895 Posts
July 18 2013 21:39 GMT
#228
On July 19 2013 06:35 Serelitz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2013 06:33 Serelitz wrote:
On July 19 2013 06:29 Serelitz wrote:
On July 19 2013 06:24 Serelitz wrote:
On July 19 2013 06:18 Serelitz wrote:
On July 19 2013 06:15 Serelitz wrote:
On July 19 2013 06:11 Serelitz wrote:
I don't know how to coloured fonts!

CRS blue side ----- CST red side
BANS:
Riven ----- Nunu
Thresh ----- Shen
?no 3rd ban? ----- Twisted Fate

PICKS:

Elise ------- Gragas/Zyra
Twitch/Jayce ------- Renekton/Corki
Jarvan IV/Fiddlesticks ------- Lux


Lot of wards early from Curse, trying to bait lvl 1 at their own red. Both junglers starting @ bottom buff (gragas blue j4 red). No laneswaps, Gragas going golems but Saint going straight top but standing on top of a ward.


Junglers farming, ~5:00 Gragas lanetaxes bot pretty hard after staying in the area with no result.

Zion pushed up but warded well, Voy with the pink in inventory. Not much happening.


Gragas ganks bot at 10 mins, mashme gets FB. Saint tries to lanegank top but fails cos of Cataclysm bug + slice and dice mid cast as Jatt guiltily explains.

Edward gets caught trying to hang around bot turret, Daydreamin picks up the kill and bot turret goes down.


Zion constantly getting Golems while laning vs Voy turns on him as Saint ganks w/ Slice and Dice down, Top turret down already from Voy pressure and Saint picks up the assist.

1k gold and 1 kill lead for CST so far, not that much happening yet.

Saint ganks bot and Cop plays really well, barely getting the kill on Daydreamin. Edward survives at 1%, CRS picks up bot turret.

Did I miss dragon somewhere? It's not on the map anymore.


4v4 mid standoff, Daydreamin gets caught w/o flash and Cop flashes in for the solo kill, CST counterengage with gragas cask but good cataclysm makes it 2 for 1 for Curse, they pick up middle turret as well. Meanwhile top Voy barely escapes Zionspartan 1v1

Dragon fight nearly breaks out but nobody engages, CRS picks up dragon. Now 1.5k gold lead for CRS and 2 turrets as well.


Curse trying really hard to pick off people 1v1 and camp in brushes but CST doesn't overextend.


Not the most boring game but action is pretty interspersed tbh. Curse picks up uncontested dragon and sieges bot inner turret with 4 people, Nyjacky solo pushing mid.

Renekton still way top so CST can't contest the turret and they give it up.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
July 18 2013 21:39 GMT
#229
On July 19 2013 06:38 Nos- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2013 06:36 NeoIllusions wrote:
On July 19 2013 06:36 Nos- wrote:
I see people have realized that you don't need to tank anything on Elise if she just kills everything first

We talking about Voy's build? It's pretty standard if you ask me.

I usually see sorc haunting into a sunfire or rylais and other tanky items. Her abilities are pretty stupid with a glass cannon build.

Rylai's for the slow utility imo. Sunfire Elise is dumb imo.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 18 2013 21:39 GMT
#230
On July 19 2013 06:39 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2013 06:37 Numy wrote:
On July 19 2013 06:35 NeoIllusions wrote:
On July 19 2013 06:31 Numy wrote:
On July 19 2013 06:29 NeoIllusions wrote:
On July 19 2013 06:29 Numy wrote:
Cop has really become one of the best ADC in NA atm. Impressive stuff.

whoa whoa, l0l
He's not passive like before. I'll give him that.


How many good ADC are left in NA? Turtle slumping hard. Dontmashme is a bit meh. Sneaky is pretty good. qtpie is hard to judge because of throws. Double never know which double will arrive on the day. Zuna is basically dig. Maple is iffy on non-Draven/Varus.

So really it's Double(On a good day)/Qtpie(#digithrows) and Sneaky as top ADC in NA.

I won't mention Double, not become of his resume, but more because comparing CLG/Crs is too different. There's different level of expectation from the ADCs on those two teams.

qtpie is a fairer comparison (dig and Crs are very dependent on their solo lanes and their ADC need to arrive to end game relevant) and I don't think Cop is at qtpie's level yet. Sneaky's closer to qtpie (in terms of mechanics, experience, decision making) than Cop is atm.


Well for the current meta I feel Sneaky is by far the best ADC in NA. He's the only one I feel that doesn't demand farm or stalling to be relevant. He's relevant from the start of the game and stays relevant so they never lose any momentum. I actually think Genja has a similar mindset with his strange dorans builds.

mandatory mention of Yango and his 3rd position ADCs.
It's what yellowpete should have been but hasn't fulfilled.

The problem is froggen takes positions 1-3. Everyone else is relegated to 4th and 5th position.
liftlift > tsm
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-18 21:40:52
July 18 2013 21:40 GMT
#231
Nintendude doing work with his barrels

Edit: Nien elise build only elise build
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Anakko
Profile Joined August 2012
France1934 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-18 21:41:05
July 18 2013 21:40 GMT
#232
I feel like sneaky has an easier time being relevant early because of C9's propension to grab early objectives which increase his gold by a significant amount and allow nice item timings for him
TrAce/Cpt Jack for president (or both)
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 18 2013 21:40 GMT
#233
This Curse damage is insane.
liftlift > tsm
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
July 18 2013 21:41 GMT
#234
Saint yet again ults almost dead champ.
Never Knows Best.
Serelitz
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands2895 Posts
July 18 2013 21:41 GMT
#235
On July 19 2013 06:39 Serelitz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2013 06:35 Serelitz wrote:
On July 19 2013 06:33 Serelitz wrote:
On July 19 2013 06:29 Serelitz wrote:
On July 19 2013 06:24 Serelitz wrote:
On July 19 2013 06:18 Serelitz wrote:
On July 19 2013 06:15 Serelitz wrote:
On July 19 2013 06:11 Serelitz wrote:
I don't know how to coloured fonts!

CRS blue side ----- CST red side
BANS:
Riven ----- Nunu
Thresh ----- Shen
?no 3rd ban? ----- Twisted Fate

PICKS:

Elise ------- Gragas/Zyra
Twitch/Jayce ------- Renekton/Corki
Jarvan IV/Fiddlesticks ------- Lux


Lot of wards early from Curse, trying to bait lvl 1 at their own red. Both junglers starting @ bottom buff (gragas blue j4 red). No laneswaps, Gragas going golems but Saint going straight top but standing on top of a ward.


Junglers farming, ~5:00 Gragas lanetaxes bot pretty hard after staying in the area with no result.

Zion pushed up but warded well, Voy with the pink in inventory. Not much happening.


Gragas ganks bot at 10 mins, mashme gets FB. Saint tries to lanegank top but fails cos of Cataclysm bug + slice and dice mid cast as Jatt guiltily explains.

Edward gets caught trying to hang around bot turret, Daydreamin picks up the kill and bot turret goes down.


Zion constantly getting Golems while laning vs Voy turns on him as Saint ganks w/ Slice and Dice down, Top turret down already from Voy pressure and Saint picks up the assist.

1k gold and 1 kill lead for CST so far, not that much happening yet.

Saint ganks bot and Cop plays really well, barely getting the kill on Daydreamin. Edward survives at 1%, CRS picks up bot turret.

Did I miss dragon somewhere? It's not on the map anymore.


4v4 mid standoff, Daydreamin gets caught w/o flash and Cop flashes in for the solo kill, CST counterengage with gragas cask but good cataclysm makes it 2 for 1 for Curse, they pick up middle turret as well. Meanwhile top Voy barely escapes Zionspartan 1v1

Dragon fight nearly breaks out but nobody engages, CRS picks up dragon. Now 1.5k gold lead for CRS and 2 turrets as well.


Curse trying really hard to pick off people 1v1 and camp in brushes but CST doesn't overextend.


Not the most boring game but action is pretty interspersed tbh. Curse picks up uncontested dragon and sieges bot inner turret with 4 people, Nyjacky solo pushing mid.

Renekton still way top so CST can't contest the turret and they give it up.


Jacky gets caught, flashes under turret where Lux combo finishes him off, merc treads not enough.

CRS engages hard 4v5 on Zion who doesn't have that many tanky items, he blows up and CST backs off, CRS sieging mid now.
Silentenigma
Profile Joined July 2009
Turkey2037 Posts
July 18 2013 21:41 GMT
#236
Saint being saint again.D
日本語が上手ですね
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 18 2013 21:41 GMT
#237
On July 19 2013 06:41 Slaughter wrote:
Saint yet again ults almost dead champ.

"LOOK GUIZ. I'M BEING HELPFUL!"

Rofl; no CDR lux purty good.
liftlift > tsm
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
July 18 2013 21:41 GMT
#238
On July 19 2013 06:40 Anakko wrote:
I feel like sneaky has an easier time being relevant early because of C9's propension to grab early objectives which increase his gold by a significant amount and allow nice item timings for him


It's also what he plays. Don't think I've ever seen Sneaky play Cait?
Anakko
Profile Joined August 2012
France1934 Posts
July 18 2013 21:42 GMT
#239
Well zion, that's what you get for not building hp
TrAce/Cpt Jack for president (or both)
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
July 18 2013 21:42 GMT
#240
On July 19 2013 06:41 Slaughter wrote:
Saint yet again ults almost dead champ.

Worth it™
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
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