Dignitas vs TSM should be a good match (again) and GGU vs Vulcun should be close. Other matches have a clear favorite (at least it looks like that to me)
Can't wait to see MRN in action. Curious to see how they stack up against the Big 4 of the NA Scene (and yes, with the way Curse has been playing, we have to start calling it the Big 4 now.)
On February 13 2013 09:44 BrownBear wrote: Can't wait to see MRN in action. Curious to see how they stack up against the Big 4 of the NA Scene (and yes, with the way Curse has been playing, we have to start calling it the Big 4 now.)
They are easily one or two right now. Three at the very least, dig been really disappointing as of late.
An interesting week. Perhaps not quite as attractive as week one, as CLG doesn't play and there aren't as many big team clashes, but this could be Newcomer week. GGU and Vulcun have to score, or risk falling behind even before the season really kicked off. MRN will have to fight two uphill battles against teams far more experienced than themselves, and coL got tossed to the hounds, facing high-flying Curse for their first game in the season. Predicions:
Dignitas > MRN - I still think Team MRN fluked their way into LCS and doesn't quite have the level to compete. However, they have momentum and the moment of surprise on their side. I'd love to see MegaZero win! Dignitas, in all honesty, didn't impress in week one, but they had time to fix their weaknesses and have experience on their side. Anything but a convincing victory will cast further doubts onto Dig's capacity as a top team, and a clear loss would end any delusions about Dig's place in the so-called Troika.
Vulcun Command < TSM - Week one rematch. Their first matchup was fairly one-sided victory for TSM, and I fully expect the game to end in a similar fashion, unless VC can fix the glaring holes in team cohesion and coordination.
coL < Curse - Probably the match most people expect to be a stomp this week. Curse looked fantastic during week one, going 3-0, even though there were slight hiccups against both Dignitas and GGU. If coL manages to exploit mistakes made by the Curse botlane, or to shut down Saintvicious in the jungle (don't let him get XZ!), they might stand a chance, but I don't expect them to.
Dignitas < TSM - Another week one rematch, another repeat result expected. While TSM may no longer be the single dominating force in North American LoL, they're still a regional top team and visibly outperformed Dignitas during week one.
Curse > Vulcun Command - Vulcun Command sure didn't get too lucky with their match plan. Their first four matchups see them firmly as underdogs, this time against Curse, who should be expected to win this matchup. However, should VC get revenge on TSM or Curse get upset by coL, the momentum in this match could easily shift.
Dignitas < GGU - GGU got within a hair's breadth of winning last week. Twice. Against both Curse and CLG, arguably the finest NA currently has to offer. If they can get an early advantage again, they should win this game - even if they throw it away (again!), who could be relied on more to throw it back than Dignitas? Edit: GGU apparently not fielding their main lineup. Dig should have it, in that case.
TSM > MRN - MRN's match plan doesn't look too pleasant either. First Dignitas, now TSM - a difficult first week indeed. I fully expect TSM to win this game in style - but with a team as volatile as MRN, upsets are always a possibility, especially against opponents tending to be overconfident.
GGU > Vulcun Command Depending on Dignitas' performance, this could be the duel for #4 or #5 on the american circuit. Both teams really need to win this game, both to catch up/close in on the top teams as well as to distance a direct competitor. I'd give GGU a slight edge based on their week one performance, but consider this the closest matchup of the week. Edit: GGU doesn't have Shiphtur and I Am Anjo, which could put them in difficulty; Vulcun should win this.
Really hope GGU manage to maintain consistency. Beating Dig would still be an upset imo, but as long as they perform as well as they did against Curse/CLG they'll cement their place as the most likely challenger to the big 4. Reckon they'll breeze past Vulcun.
After this week we'll should have a better idea where GGU and Vulcun are at though. Might need a bit longer to suss out MRN and coL given their difficult matchups this week.
On February 13 2013 10:57 Amarok wrote: Really hope GGU manage to maintain consistency. Beating Dig would still be an upset imo, but as long as they perform as well as they did against Curse/CLG they'll cement their place as the most likely challenger to the big 4. Reckon they'll breeze past Vulcun.
After this week we'll should have a better idea where GGU and Vulcun are at though. Might need a bit longer to suss out MRN and coL given their difficult matchups this week.
I was high on GGU after last week but coL Laut was on that Dignitas talk show (Recall I think), and said they are going to be playing with two subs, Mid and Support. Bloodwater is going to sub as a support but they don't know the Mid laner yet. I just worry the synergy won't be there.
What's the point of making games B01 with 4 games between each team during the season and then repeating games from week 1 on week 2? There is little margin for different results with so little time to practice and unless the games were close first time around (like ggu) there is little to no space for upsets
Team Marn has had several players previously competing in the fighting games scene, right? What kind of players were they? It's an even bigger stage (and bigger teams) than the qualifiers for them, but I guess they shouldn't have nerves problems since they already have live experience, right?
On February 13 2013 19:25 misirlou wrote: What's the point of making games B01 with 4 games between each team during the season and then repeating games from week 1 on week 2? There is little margin for different results with so little time to practice and unless the games were close first time around (like ggu) there is little to no space for upsets
I agree, some of the scheduling stuff is weird. For example I don't understand why compLexity plays one game this week and the only team with a bye is CLG, it all seems kind of random.
On February 13 2013 20:20 Alaric wrote: Team Marn has had several players previously competing in the fighting games scene, right? What kind of players were they? It's an even bigger stage (and bigger teams) than the qualifiers for them, but I guess they shouldn't have nerves problems since they already have live experience, right?
ClakeyD(jungle) has lots of live fgc tournament experience MegaZero(top) won a dreamhack tournament for bloodline champions ecco(mid) and heartbeat(adc) were sc2 GMs, ecco attended a MLG i think, got owned by koreans l0l0l don't know about their support AtomicN MRN is still a fairly new team, formed 2 weeks before the live qualifiers. I expect them to gradually improve during the LCS
On February 14 2013 04:24 GettingIt wrote: I really hope Dignitas steps their game up, 1-2 for week 1 is really disappointing T_T
Losing vs TSM and Curse isnt a shame tho. The problem was the maner in which they lost. This week is there real test. If they cant win from these teams they really have fallen.
Clakey didn't do anything but feed Voy that game. Clakey needs to make an impact on one of the lanes otherwise MRN falls way too far behind. Left uncheck, both Crs solo lanes will win.
On February 14 2013 11:24 NeoIllusions wrote: Clakey didn't do anything but feed Voy that game. Clakey needs to make an impact on one of the lanes otherwise MRN falls way too far behind. Left uncheck, both Crs solo lanes will win.
On February 14 2013 11:24 NeoIllusions wrote: Clakey didn't do anything but feed Voy that game. Clakey needs to make an impact on one of the lanes otherwise MRN falls way too far behind. Left uncheck, both Crs solo lanes will win.
On February 14 2013 11:24 NeoIllusions wrote: Clakey didn't do anything but feed Voy that game. Clakey needs to make an impact on one of the lanes otherwise MRN falls way too far behind. Left uncheck, both Crs solo lanes will win.
Never feed Voy, it never ends well.
Astute observation.
This is the kind of high quality in-depth analysis you're paying me top dollar for.
On February 14 2013 11:04 Slow Motion wrote: I've been watching MRN's scrims vs Crs and MRN has been looking terrible. Not just in comparison to Crs either.
I think MRN is prob the weakest team and got in purely on momentum. DNG and now Azure/Curse Academy all look much stronger. It's up to MRN to prove us they can fight it out and deserve to stay in LCS. Let's see if they rise to the challenge or not
On February 14 2013 11:24 NeoIllusions wrote: Clakey didn't do anything but feed Voy that game. Clakey needs to make an impact on one of the lanes otherwise MRN falls way too far behind. Left uncheck, both Crs solo lanes will win.
Never feed Voy, it never ends well.
Astute observation.
This is the kind of high quality in-depth analysis you're paying me top dollar for.
Honestly, the TL LoL staff salary is absurdly high. I'm raking in the eSports dollars.
Dig > Marn. Anything else is the biggest slump i have ever seen. Vulc < TSM. easy match Comp < Curse. lets see if Curse can keep there aggressive form. Dig < TSM. I dont see Dig improving fast enough for this to change.
Curse has an easy day today so not the most interesting for me. However I am curious to see how the other teams handle. I am suspecting Marn to defeat Dig due to the enjoyment I'd get from such a thing.
My predictions. Dignitas is far less consistent so the Dig vs TSM prediction is a bit of a gamble. I hope they show up a bit more solid and better refined, their previous games were messy. Where Dig used to rely on Voy+Scarra way more, their current mid+top quality isn't nearly as solid as qtpie. Kiwikid is no Voyboy and Scarra isn't looking as solid as he used to compared to other US mids.
It could very well be that TSM stomps Dig, in which case I will be very disappointed in Dignitas.
On February 15 2013 06:20 Numy wrote: I don't understand Dig's lineup at all. Can anyone explain the logic? :<
Alistar, Singed and Lee offer a lot of meat and displacement. They can keep people from bumrushing Draven/Kayle or isolate a target by chaining their displacement skills. Kayle deals decent damage, shreds bruisers and can shield Draven. Draven/Alistar should shit on Lulu/Kog in lane, if they lane up
Well he isn't too good (or rather, it takes a lot more effort to get results with him than MF ) but if they build their comp around him, there's no reason it can't work (as long as they're aren't playing against Xin/Irelia/Kha etc.).
On February 15 2013 06:28 Fusilero wrote: How has qtpie outfarmed heartbeat did kiwi's attempted attack cost him that much cs?
Heartbeat missing lots of cs and QTP is Draven, you'd have to try hard to miss cs with those axes
MRN getting owned in all lanes. Nerves seem to be an issue (farming, some decisions) but then, they're probably not quite at the level of the rest of LCS NA (except possibly coL).
Clakey on some serious tilt/pressure. I thought he did alright in qualifiers but in the scrims against curse and this game so far I don't know what I'm seeing.
Someone needs to play the "had a bad day song" for Clakey, he just got shutdown it seems and every attempt to get back in has made it even worse. I feel bad for him at this point.
On February 15 2013 06:30 Lounge wrote: Clakey on some serious tilt/pressure. I thought he did alright in qualifiers but in the scrims against curse and this game so far I don't know what I'm seeing.
He fed hard in qualifiers too though I think. Remember that Noc game? His team just managed to stabilise but Dig is just better so his feed hurts so much more
Yeah 0K after the hype I got from watching them qualify Team Marn has me super disappointed now. If that's their level then they're by far the 8th team.
On February 15 2013 06:32 Parnage wrote: Someone needs to play the "had a bad day song" for Clakey, he just got shutdown it seems and every attempt to get back in has made it even worse. I feel bad for him at this point.
I got flashbacks to dreamhack in clg.eu vs wolves where svernsken got invaded 24/7 by froggen and snoopeh iirc he was absurdly dead something like 0/6 saddest maokai ever. 8/0 draven jeeeeeeeeesus at this rate teams will start running mid lane karma vs mrn.
On February 15 2013 06:32 Parnage wrote: Someone needs to play the "had a bad day song" for Clakey, he just got shutdown it seems and every attempt to get back in has made it even worse. I feel bad for him at this point.
The only advantage I can see for MRN now is they have anivia and kog, so they can stall pushes EG style, but with Singed/Lee/Ali/Kayle Dig might just not care about turret damage anymore.
And now stream is lagging so much I can't watch anymore. Wish Twitch didn't suck so much when it came to mass viewers, can't even watch tournament streams anymore.
What the fuck is Clakey doing. Qtpie just turned and killed him. Didn't even need help. Man I thought MRN would be better than this with how much better DNG/Azure Cats/Curse Academy is looking now.
This is just unfair to poor ClakeyD at this point. You know they've got it out for you when they stop baron to just kill you. See Vi, kill vi. >_> So much for my hope that Dig would fail here.
MRN was already kinda bad in the qualifiers and only made it with a few miracle comebacks, which is not gonna happen vs the higher caliber of teams they're facing here
On February 15 2013 06:43 Parnage wrote: This is just unfair to poor ClakeyD at this point. You know they've got it out for you when they stop baron to just kill you. See Vi, kill vi. >_> So much for my hope that Dig would fail here.
It's his terrible positioning. Don't really feel for him at all. Feel sorry for his team and ecco. Guy hasn't really done anything wrong and can't do anything to win either
On February 15 2013 06:45 misirlou wrote: i was flamed some time ago for building tear on singed. I thought it was really good because of his passive + sheraths shield and +ap on poison
On February 15 2013 06:45 misirlou wrote: i was flamed some time ago for building tear on singed. I thought it was really good because of his passive + sheraths shield and +ap on poison
Isn't that just the old mentality when tears did not proc off poison trail. It does now so it's viable item on Singed.
On February 15 2013 06:45 misirlou wrote: i was flamed some time ago for building tear on singed. I thought it was really good because of his passive + sheraths shield and +ap on poison
It didn't procc on toggle spells before the pre-season. And him dying has nothing to do with him building tear, he died under his turret 1v2 in a really close situation before he went back to shop for the first time. Not sure if he died twice, but in that teamcomp, only him and Alistar can really die, assuming they use Lee to Flash R initiate and then W back to protect QT.
On February 15 2013 06:47 Sufficiency wrote: OK. I am pretty sure now that NA LCS is not worth watching unless it is between two of TSM, CLG, CURSE, and DIG.
On February 15 2013 06:47 Sufficiency wrote: OK. I am pretty sure now that NA LCS is not worth watching unless it is between two of TSM, CLG, CURSE, and DIG.
What? I had fun watching that! But if it went long i would have been bored.
On February 15 2013 06:45 misirlou wrote: i was flamed some time ago for building tear on singed. I thought it was really good because of his passive + sheraths shield and +ap on poison
It's good now, since you can actually charge it with poison now and the upgrades are better too. Maybe people are stuck in the old patch. It gives you pretty much unlimited mana after having it for 5 minutes and a decent health bonus too.
On February 15 2013 06:47 Sufficiency wrote: OK. I am pretty sure now that NA LCS is not worth watching unless it is between two of TSM, CLG, CURSE, and DIG.
GGU are pretty good at throwing they can compete with Dignitas.
On February 15 2013 06:47 Sufficiency wrote: OK. I am pretty sure now that NA LCS is not worth watching unless it is between two of TSM, CLG, CURSE, and DIG.
GGU are pretty good they can compete.
In S2 yes, but I feel that after all their roaster swaps....
On February 15 2013 06:45 misirlou wrote: i was flamed some time ago for building tear on singed. I thought it was really good because of his passive + sheraths shield and +ap on poison
Isn't that just the old mentality when tears did not proc off poison trail. It does now so it's viable item on Singed.
nope. I also had a lengthy discussion with my brother about it. He's completely against getting ap (more than 1 item) on "tank" champs like singed or cho. His reasoning was about wasting tank item slots, he did agree that the stack was quite fast but not worth it (wasting gold on the ap besides RoA, that is)
On February 15 2013 06:47 Sufficiency wrote: OK. I am pretty sure now that NA LCS is not worth watching unless it is between two of TSM, CLG, CURSE, and DIG.
GGU are pretty good at throwing they can compete with Dignitas.
Fixed that for you
They're like dignitas in the sense that they're good right up until the point where they decide that winning is for chumps.
On February 15 2013 06:47 Sufficiency wrote: OK. I am pretty sure now that NA LCS is not worth watching unless it is between two of TSM, CLG, CURSE, and DIG.
GGU are pretty good at throwing they can compete with Dignitas.
The more questionable build seems to have been Vi's build. Vi went spirt of the lizard elder, but the madreds into tanky items would have probably been better.
On February 15 2013 06:45 misirlou wrote: i was flamed some time ago for building tear on singed. I thought it was really good because of his passive + sheraths shield and +ap on poison
Isn't that just the old mentality when tears did not proc off poison trail. It does now so it's viable item on Singed.
nope. I also had a lengthy discussion with my brother about it. He's completely against getting ap (more than 1 item) on "tank" champs like singed or cho. His reasoning was about wasting tank item slots, he did agree that the stack was quite fast but not worth it (wasting gold on the ap besides RoA, that is)
AP is really good on Singed, though, especially since 3 of the best AP items for him give him HP. Rylai's, RoA and Seraph's are valid buys and can be bought alltogether if the teamcomps allow for it. I agree that Singed needs more pure tank items after that (I would probably go for Frozen Heart and Banshee's), but buying more than one (mana) AP item is really good on Singed because of his passive. On a Cho that's supposed to be really tanky, ugh, debatable.
On February 15 2013 06:47 Sufficiency wrote: OK. I am pretty sure now that NA LCS is not worth watching unless it is between two of TSM, CLG, CURSE, and DIG.
GGU are pretty good they can compete.
In S2 yes, but I feel that after all their roaster swaps....
They almost beast Curse, sure they threw the game but they still got to the point where they got Curse on the ropes. Just need some refinement. Also they picked up Bloodwater as their starting support who is solid. Really depends on if Shiphtur is able to play regularly with school or if using a sub is going to become a regular thing. GGU has a lot of upset potential.
On February 15 2013 06:50 BlackMagister wrote: The more questionable build seems to have been Vi's build. Vi went spirt of the lizard elder, but the madreds into tanky items would have probably been better.
Clakey's problem that game was that he didn't adapt his build or his playstyle. Lizard Elder is great on Vi if you get ahead, but he really needed to not be blown up so fast, particularly as he was playing aggressively even while behind.
On February 15 2013 06:51 AsmodeusXI wrote: Well that was gross. Sigh. Good luck to teams without LAN experience.
It's hardly a traditional lan though. Think the term lan experience has been morphed over the years. This is more like studio experience since it has zero of the grueling elements of lans(The super long hours, tons of games, people everywhere, lack of sleep). I think BMT(Big match Temperament) is the more correct term
On February 15 2013 06:47 Sufficiency wrote: OK. I am pretty sure now that NA LCS is not worth watching unless it is between two of TSM, CLG, CURSE, and DIG.
GGU are pretty good at throwing they can compete with Dignitas.
Fixed that for you
The reddit Trash talk thread might be getting to you
Wow Crumbzz is shotcaller now? Might be why Dig is a lot worse.
On February 15 2013 06:57 discator wrote: What the fuck is wrong with ppl doing a caps only thread where you must post shit?
Welcome to reddit, where people are stupid and people are stupid. People are stupid.
I love the trash talk thread, they do it over on /r/NFL. It's just a fun place to shit talk and hype up your favorite team without pissing anyone off *shrug*
On February 15 2013 06:47 Sufficiency wrote: OK. I am pretty sure now that NA LCS is not worth watching unless it is between two of TSM, CLG, CURSE, and DIG.
GGU are pretty good at throwing they can compete with Dignitas.
Fixed that for you
The reddit Trash talk thread might be getting to you
Wow Crumbzz is shotcaller now? Might be why Dig is a lot worse.
Wait what? Crumbzz has been playing the best on Dig by far.
On February 15 2013 07:01 Treadmill wrote: Xpecial on both teams apparently.
Please tell me someone screencaptured that, I was too busy falling off my chair.
Oh and for reddit, I don't mind the trashtalk thread, but /r/leagueoflegends has been general discussion 2.0 for a couple of months now.
Just check reddit, the /new part is sure to get flooded with screencaps right now.
I kinda like the trashtalk thread, some stuff in there is pretty funny (most of it isn't, sadly, and my own attempts probably aren't either). Other than that, reddit is only useful for tournament alerts and the occasional link to ggC articles. Guess I could get add-ons for that, but man, I'm so lazy...
On February 15 2013 07:17 Mensol wrote: TSM TSM TSM
ODDBRO is so manly.
I'd sad that was Xpecial being manly. He initiated that (not the missed Zenith, the one tower), tanked all the damage and watched Chaox/OddOne blow them up. Ridiculous damage from XZ/MF
On February 15 2013 07:17 Mensol wrote: TSM TSM TSM
ODDBRO is so manly.
I'd sad that was Xpecial being manly. He initiated that (not the missed Zenith, the one tower), tanked all the damage and watched Chaox/OddOne blow them up. Ridiculous damage from XZ/MF
Especially when XSpecial controls both Jarvan and Leona.
Why is Sycho still buying armor? TSM has Xin, Renek, Cleaver and soon LW on MF. It's not going to be useful at all. Either finish Zhonya/Liandry or finish Warmog.
On February 15 2013 07:44 misirlou wrote: jarvan misses q after e. "jarvan going to die before getting the pull to flag off"
He didn't miss Q. He threw E over a jungle wall but due to how placing objects like wards, J4 flag, flashing, tryn E, nid Jump, etc you can toss some stuff a little extra range if you land it on unpathable terrain. Unfortunately, that puts E outside Q range so you can't Q to it.
On February 15 2013 07:44 misirlou wrote: jarvan misses q after e. "jarvan going to die before getting the pull to flag off"
He didn't miss Q. He threw E over a jungle wall but due to how placing objects like wards, J4 flag, flashing, tryn E, nid Jump, etc you can toss some stuff a little extra range if you land it on unpathable terrain. Unfortunately, that puts E outside Q range so you can't Q to it.
the point im trying to make is that it was a very audible and eyecatching Q he threw that missed/had no range yet riv didnt see it
On February 15 2013 07:49 Numy wrote: This game is pretty dam boring. It's like TSM doesn't have that killer instinct or they just playing super safe.
Definitely the biggest issue with competetive League atm... I don't blame them for playing safe but it makes these games so boring. They haven't even got an inhibitor yet, this game could still have 20 minutes left in it.
I really hate ultbot Mf with a passion, such a skill less way to play a champ. But can't really blame people for it as it's pretty much fail safe and they play to win.
On February 15 2013 07:55 Aando wrote: I really hate ultbot Mf with a passion, such a skill less way to play a champ. But can't really blame people for it as it's pretty much fail safe and they play to win.
On February 15 2013 07:55 Numy wrote: Regi actually played quite well that game. Didn't do any retarded overaggression or anything.
He was a bit too aggressive with his ultimates trying to catch Graves who just quick drawed out of them though.
That was one ulti towards the end of the game though. He landed all the rest and was patient with them. He even landed on graves flash too, dunno how that one translates to multiple :<
Well he actually missed 2 (one was off-screen but the commentators mentioned Graves Eing out of it), and the flash one was more Graves to the right of the ball flashes to the left, so he just goes over the ball instead of away from it. I still got surprised by how much Xpecial initiated over TOO, aggro Regi or Dyrus though. TOO basically never did it unless he had flash up.
Dam 2! Haha still a lot less aggro than normal or as binary at least. Yea TOOs Xin wasn't really impressive again, Xpecial basically got every form of CC off in the majority of the engagements and started them except for when Dyrus just kind of bumped into Vulcun
On February 15 2013 08:18 Badboyrune wrote: Holy fuck I dont really like phreak, then he actually said i'm so meta even this acronym. Now I'm not sure if I can dislike him anymore
On February 15 2013 08:17 DragoonTT wrote: coL moved brunch to support, kicked Ellie Bee and got a new AD carry since the qualifiers? Wow, I always believed myself to be fairly well-informed :o
On February 15 2013 08:17 DragoonTT wrote: coL moved brunch to support, kicked Ellie Bee and got a new AD carry since the qualifiers? Wow, I always believed myself to be fairly well-informed :o
wat...
Ellie Beeeee = M eye A
It's a name change. >_>
Okay, good to know. Did I mix them up on the team screen as well, or did Riot? Guess it was me, I'm tired :/
On February 15 2013 08:21 GettingIt wrote: M eye A has a prosthetic eye? Mind=blown.
I wonder what his team fighting is like, a friend of mine has partial blindness in one eye and if we dont put a target over who he should be attacking, he doesnt know who is low or not on hp :x
What does "gets found" mean? I mean, how can that mean someone dies in a teamfight or someone getting hit with a skillshot? "Saint gets found", "They found Jacky with a root" >_>
On February 15 2013 08:43 h3r1n6 wrote: What does "gets found" mean? I mean, how can that mean someone dies in a teamfight or someone getting hit with a skillshot? "Saint gets found", "They found Jacky with a root" >_>
You know how one can say for example "the bullet found its way through the kevlar" or stuff like that? Well, it's kinda the same meaning here.
Like, UUUUUUUUUUUUUUURGH. Laudemortiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiis Why do you keep chasing MF? She's damn out of the fight, just run back to help your team, with a double E AoE he could probably have killed 2 of the 3 there. What a misplay. :/
Edit: plus you're the goddamn locket carrier, don't spend your fight 3 screens away from Kog.
On February 15 2013 08:51 Alaric wrote: Urgh. URGH.
Like, UUUUUUUUUUUUUUURGH. Laudemortiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiis Why do you keep chasing MF? She's damn out of the fight, just run back to help your team, with a double E AoE he could probably have killed 2 of the 3 there. What a misplay. :/
On February 15 2013 08:51 Alaric wrote: Urgh. URGH.
Like, UUUUUUUUUUUUUUURGH. Laudemortiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiis Why do you keep chasing MF? She's damn out of the fight, just run back to help your team, with a double E AoE he could probably have killed 2 of the 3 there. What a misplay. :/
Yep all he has to do is peel for Kog
They would have been fine if renek wasnt so far behind however
On February 15 2013 08:51 Alaric wrote: Urgh. URGH.
Like, UUUUUUUUUUUUUUURGH. Laudemortiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiis Why do you keep chasing MF? She's damn out of the fight, just run back to help your team, with a double E AoE he could probably have killed 2 of the 3 there. What a misplay. :/
Yep all he has to do is peel for Kog
They would have been fine if renek wasnt so far behind however
Aw man Crs played that badly. They thought Cop would be able to MF ult over the wall but coL was able to move the fight away from Cop so he had to run all the way around blue area while all the front liners of Crs were dying in an uneven fight.
The fuck are they doing. They have ZERO resistances, only HP, they CAN'T afford getting focused down, and he still tries to burst down... a Ryze... ...
As a tanky Vi player, Laudemortis has me really, really unimpressed. That was fucking bad, it's been 10 minutes already that you can't kill somebody by just ulting so Lux can hit them. Stop suiciding 2 screens away from Kog.
I hope the 3.02 changes to Liandry's and BotRK will finally end all this full-defense madness, getting so sick of it. Just turtle out until your tank team can't be downed by the squishies on the other team, then ride your superior base stats and damage/tankiness values to victory
Decent early game by coL - kinda reminiscent of SK vs fnatic last week. Curse, just as fnatic, looked vulnerable early, but it only took a single fight to turn the match around. coL held on for a little longer (or Curse couldn't/didn't want to try to finish immediately), though.
On February 15 2013 09:04 Alaric wrote: As a tanky Vi player, Laudemortis has me really, really unimpressed. That was fucking bad, it's been 10 minutes already that you can't kill somebody by just ulting so Lux can hit them. Stop suiciding 2 screens away from Kog.
Aye, Lautemortis was by far the worst player that match. Really questionable build choices, decisionmaking and he practically ran into the enemy team in mid lane.
CoL really had a nice early and midgame planned with that Lux, Soraka early dragon control. Late they rly fell apart though with that ultra deep dives from Vi and general lack of team fight coordination. But nice game def a solid first showing from CoL.
On February 15 2013 09:04 Alaric wrote: As a tanky Vi player, Laudemortis has me really, really unimpressed. That was fucking bad, it's been 10 minutes already that you can't kill somebody by just ulting so Lux can hit them. Stop suiciding 2 screens away from Kog.
Aye, Lautemortis was by far the worst player that match. Really questionable build choices, decisionmaking and he practically ran into the enemy team in mid lane.
Lol he did he ran right into Jackey who was probably like "WTF??? Ok you dead."
On February 15 2013 08:57 Redox wrote: Vi has been playing bad all game...
i wouldnt call getting 2 free drakes + 1 on contest bad
Yeah impressive that he was able to hit vaultbreaker on dragon at least.
Still did a lot more than nickwu imo
Laning against Elise is fucking harsh because she requires you to itemise a fuckton of MR just to hold your own when laning, so that if their physical champs happen to get some farm during that time you'll almost invariably get shat on during the early teamfights. It's very awkward to play such a situation as a diving bruiser.
On February 15 2013 08:57 Redox wrote: Vi has been playing bad all game...
i wouldnt call getting 2 free drakes + 1 on contest bad
Yeah impressive that he was able to hit vaultbreaker on dragon at least.
Still did a lot more than nickwu imo
Laning against Elise is fucking harsh because she requires you to itemise a fuckton of MR just to hold your own when laning, so that if their physical champs happen to get some farm during that time you'll almost invariably get shat on during the early teamfights. It's very awkward to play such a situation as a diving bruiser.
Pretty sure that is why 1v2 and bans are so popular.
Have we seen any outstanding Vi's in the LCS yet? So far I've not been overly impressed by any attempts and none of them has been worth my memory it seems.
On February 15 2013 09:04 Alaric wrote: As a tanky Vi player, Laudemortis has me really, really unimpressed. That was fucking bad, it's been 10 minutes already that you can't kill somebody by just ulting so Lux can hit them. Stop suiciding 2 screens away from Kog.
Aye, Lautemortis was by far the worst player that match. Really questionable build choices, decisionmaking and he practically ran into the enemy team in mid lane.
Lol he did he ran right into Jackey who was probably like "WTF??? Ok you dead."
I'm not sure but I think MF flashed back pulling vi with her. That's what I don't like about her ult. They can really screw with you by flashing and completely pulling you out of position.
On February 15 2013 08:57 Redox wrote: Vi has been playing bad all game...
i wouldnt call getting 2 free drakes + 1 on contest bad
Yeah impressive that he was able to hit vaultbreaker on dragon at least.
Still did a lot more than nickwu imo
Laning against Elise is fucking harsh because she requires you to itemise a fuckton of MR just to hold your own when laning, so that if their physical champs happen to get some farm during that time you'll almost invariably get shat on during the early teamfights. It's very awkward to play such a situation as a diving bruiser.
Also, Renekton is really not all that good as people thinks he is. He HAS TO dominate and get rich to buy tanky items because that's what he is, a big ugly tank. Elise is versatile, has a lategame (bye Renekton) and can play from behind.
On February 15 2013 08:57 Redox wrote: Vi has been playing bad all game...
i wouldnt call getting 2 free drakes + 1 on contest bad
Yeah impressive that he was able to hit vaultbreaker on dragon at least.
Still did a lot more than nickwu imo
Laning against Elise is fucking harsh because she requires you to itemise a fuckton of MR just to hold your own when laning, so that if their physical champs happen to get some farm during that time you'll almost invariably get shat on during the early teamfights. It's very awkward to play such a situation as a diving bruiser.
Pretty sure that is why 1v2 and bans are so popular.
On February 15 2013 09:07 Volband wrote: It was only a close game for so long because CoL "stealed" 2 dragons uncontested. Curse played with handicap and still...
But that steals where rly nice planned and executed with Soraka heals and Lux shield. I like this kinda stuff. This is sth what you can train and it put them ahead through midgame vs the strongest team in NA.
On February 15 2013 08:57 Redox wrote: Vi has been playing bad all game...
i wouldnt call getting 2 free drakes + 1 on contest bad
Yeah impressive that he was able to hit vaultbreaker on dragon at least.
Still did a lot more than nickwu imo
Laning against Elise is fucking harsh because she requires you to itemise a fuckton of MR just to hold your own when laning, so that if their physical champs happen to get some farm during that time you'll almost invariably get shat on during the early teamfights. It's very awkward to play such a situation as a diving bruiser.
Pretty sure that is why 1v2 and bans are so popular.
True but since I dunno who strategise and chooses the picks and bans and stuff on coL, I won't be blaming nickwu either.
On February 15 2013 09:04 Alaric wrote: As a tanky Vi player, Laudemortis has me really, really unimpressed. That was fucking bad, it's been 10 minutes already that you can't kill somebody by just ulting so Lux can hit them. Stop suiciding 2 screens away from Kog.
Aye, Lautemortis was by far the worst player that match. Really questionable build choices, decisionmaking and he practically ran into the enemy team in mid lane.
Lol he did he ran right into Jackey who was probably like "WTF??? Ok you dead."
I'm not sure but I think MF flashed back pulling vi with her. That's what I don't like about her ult. They can really screw with you by flashing and completely pulling you out of position.
And when he straight-up walked in Curse mid and died? He didn't even ult this time.
On February 15 2013 09:04 Alaric wrote: As a tanky Vi player, Laudemortis has me really, really unimpressed. That was fucking bad, it's been 10 minutes already that you can't kill somebody by just ulting so Lux can hit them. Stop suiciding 2 screens away from Kog.
Aye, Lautemortis was by far the worst player that match. Really questionable build choices, decisionmaking and he practically ran into the enemy team in mid lane.
Lol he did he ran right into Jackey who was probably like "WTF??? Ok you dead."
I'm not sure but I think MF flashed back pulling vi with her. That's what I don't like about her ult. They can really screw with you by flashing and completely pulling you out of position.
I was talking about the fight in mid where Vi literally walked into Jackey and Elements. The fight you are talking about you are right though.
On February 15 2013 09:04 Alaric wrote: As a tanky Vi player, Laudemortis has me really, really unimpressed. That was fucking bad, it's been 10 minutes already that you can't kill somebody by just ulting so Lux can hit them. Stop suiciding 2 screens away from Kog.
Aye, Lautemortis was by far the worst player that match. Really questionable build choices, decisionmaking and he practically ran into the enemy team in mid lane.
Lol he did he ran right into Jackey who was probably like "WTF??? Ok you dead."
I'm not sure but I think MF flashed back pulling vi with her. That's what I don't like about her ult. They can really screw with you by flashing and completely pulling you out of position.
And when he straight-up walked in Curse mid and died? He didn't even ult this time.
Not defending him. His performance was underwhelming. Just wanted to point out, that it looked especially silly because of the way the ult works.
On February 15 2013 09:09 Parnage wrote: Have we seen any outstanding Vi's in the LCS yet? So far I've not been overly impressed by any attempts and none of them has been worth my memory it seems.
The SK jungler played a really impressive early game with Vi. Dunno which game though
On February 15 2013 09:09 Parnage wrote: Have we seen any outstanding Vi's in the LCS yet? So far I've not been overly impressed by any attempts and none of them has been worth my memory it seems.
The SK jungler played a really impressive early game with Vi. Dunno which game though
I had to skip EU LCS at some point due to stream going bonkers. I'll have to review those games.
Also yes it is nice to have Xin zhao in competitive games for the first time sense his release.
Minute three ganks against the (top) 2v1 lane and wards in mid brushes - common weaknesses amongst NA teams, it seems. Take notice, my european brothers, and profit!
Not sure what TSM were trying to accomplish with these picks, the only champ that can win the game for them is Ori and she's already massively behind. Doubt there's any way for TSM to come back now.
On February 15 2013 09:39 nxk wrote: Not sure what TSM were trying to accomplish with these picks, the only champ that can win the game for them is Ori and she's already massively behind. Doubt there's any way for TSM to come back now.
On February 15 2013 09:39 nxk wrote: Not sure what TSM were trying to accomplish with these picks, the only champ that can win the game for them is Ori and she's already massively behind. Doubt there's any way for TSM to come back now.
Never doubt Dig's throwing arm...
Would have to be a throw worthy of the Olympics indeed.
I like both teams, so it's hard to enjoy their matches because last week it was Dig playing super bad, and today it's TSM. At least try to play well at the same time!
Is the tournament realm bugged? Seemingly scarra just got double credit for that inhib (100g and the kill thingy showed up twice). Same thing happened at least once before already, with an inhib as well
On February 15 2013 09:48 Volband wrote: 1000 elo singed plays. Take notes. Failing to drop turret aggro, not popping ghost soon enough. Oh Kiwi...
They got dragon anyway. It wasn't random.
I really like how dignitas' comp brings out the draven strengths by forcing 2v2/3v3/4v4 instead of having full out teamfights. Using singed to pressure top while draven pressures bottom prevents TSM from ever 5v5, something Draven isn't as good at because of his lack of short range + reposition
On February 15 2013 09:51 sinii wrote: Commentators completely missing that Kiwi drew agro top so Dig could get an uncontested dragon. A death for a drag is a good trade.
Lol, he already pulled two people he didn't have to suicide. Also, if he pops his ghost in time like someone who's actually good he gets away easily. Amateur mistake, no need to defend it.
On February 15 2013 09:51 sinii wrote: Commentators completely missing that Kiwi drew agro top so Dig could get an uncontested dragon. A death for a drag is a good trade.
Lol, he already pulled two people he didn't have to suicide. Also, if he pops his ghost in time like someone who's actually good he gets away easily. Amateur mistake, no need to defend it.
He tried something because he knew already that the team would come out on top of the overall trade. He could have played it better, but if he somehow got Oddone then it would have been an overwhelming victory.
Point is, it wasn't a bad play as Dig came out on top.
Seems to me that OddOne can only play support junglers and it's really limiting the team comps that TSM can run. Hopefully he can step it up soon or TSM might drop down to #4 if not lower.
On February 15 2013 09:58 nxk wrote: Seems to me that OddOne can only play support junglers and it's really limiting the team comps that TSM can run. Hopefully he can step it up soon or TSM might drop down to #4 if not lower.
That's exactly what Saint said about OddOne coming into Season 3 but of course everyone dismissed him as a hater.
On February 15 2013 09:58 nxk wrote: Seems to me that OddOne can only play support junglers and it's really limiting the team comps that TSM can run. Hopefully he can step it up soon or TSM might drop down to #4 if not lower.
That's exactly what Saint said about OddOne coming into Season 3 but of course everyone dismissed him as a hater.
Yeah, I always thought TOO was the weakest player on TSM and now the s3 changes have hit him really hard.
On February 15 2013 09:58 nxk wrote: Seems to me that OddOne can only play support junglers and it's really limiting the team comps that TSM can run. Hopefully he can step it up soon or TSM might drop down to #4 if not lower.
That's exactly what Saint said about OddOne coming into Season 3 but of course everyone dismissed him as a hater.
Yeah, I always thought TOO was the weakest player on TSM and now the s3 changes have hit him really hard.
On February 15 2013 09:58 nxk wrote: Seems to me that OddOne can only play support junglers and it's really limiting the team comps that TSM can run. Hopefully he can step it up soon or TSM might drop down to #4 if not lower.
That's exactly what Saint said about OddOne coming into Season 3 but of course everyone dismissed him as a hater.
Yeah, I always thought TOO was the weakest player on TSM and now the s3 changes have hit him really hard.
And I think you are wrong on both accounts.
If you're going to say someone's opinion is wrong, you better offer something better. Frankly, I don't think S3 did OddOne any service, if he's not your pick for TSM's weakest link, then who is?
On February 15 2013 09:58 nxk wrote: Seems to me that OddOne can only play support junglers and it's really limiting the team comps that TSM can run. Hopefully he can step it up soon or TSM might drop down to #4 if not lower.
That's exactly what Saint said about OddOne coming into Season 3 but of course everyone dismissed him as a hater.
Yeah, I always thought TOO was the weakest player on TSM and now the s3 changes have hit him really hard.
And I think you are wrong on both accounts.
If you're going to say someone's opinion is wrong, you better offer something better. Frankly, I don't think S3 did OddOne any service, if he's not your pick for TSM's weakest link, then who is?
I cant speak for Fwmeh, but Regi really didn't deliver that game. I don't blame him though, double kill/double buff scarra is no joke. TOO didnt do anything technically wrong there, Crumbz just read him like a book.
It just seems like TSM isn't playing "together." if that makes sense. It seems like no one knows what anyone else is doing on the team. There is no cohesion, teamwork, etc. It might be rust, but if they don't get better quick, i don't see TSM being in the Top 4 anymore.
On February 15 2013 09:58 nxk wrote: Seems to me that OddOne can only play support junglers and it's really limiting the team comps that TSM can run. Hopefully he can step it up soon or TSM might drop down to #4 if not lower.
That's exactly what Saint said about OddOne coming into Season 3 but of course everyone dismissed him as a hater.
Yeah, I always thought TOO was the weakest player on TSM and now the s3 changes have hit him really hard.
First of all, Regi is the weakest, this is not even a topic to argue. And I think their bot lane is much more dismal than TOO. Chaox didn't get mf = GG. He was humiliated vs Doublelift, and now Draven 1v3s TSM while Chaox remains essentially useless. He's not a bad player but he's mind is on "what's op, i pick something op!!" and thinks it will just win him the game. Can't say it didn't work out with the MF picks, but unlike Cop who could operate with other ADs as well, Chaox just fails hard. Dying in 3v1 as Ezreal versus a not so good* player as Kiwi...
*okay, Kiwi might be just under too much pressure, I don't know, but after double boots, a fail kill attempt for Lulu and suiciding just because he can't drop turret aggro and can't use ghost in time, he was definetly not good. Yet he managed to "outplay" Chaox who had 2 Flashes.
I cant speak for Fwmeh, but Regi really didn't deliver that game. I don't blame him though, double kill/double buff scarra is no joke. TOO didnt do anything technically wrong there, Crumbz just read him like a book.
Well what once Scarra got the double kill, all Regi could do was farm. Diana snowballs hard with an early lead. And that Maokai pick did absolutely nothing since none of the lanes were gankable (apart from mid which backfired)
On February 15 2013 10:12 nojitosunrise wrote: It just seems like TSM isn't playing "together." if that makes sense. It seems like no one knows what anyone else is doing on the team. There is no cohesion, teamwork, etc. It might be rust, but if they don't get better quick, i don't see TSM being in the Top 4 anymore.
I still think they're Top 4, just possibly at the bottom. Even if they're not playing cohesively, they have enough individual talent to blow out laning phase against GGU, MRN, coL, Vul and enter mid/late game with a considerable advantage.
And how can people say that Regi is the weakest when he's their best playmaker and usually the one who carries the team when they win. When they lose he looks bad because he's under pressure to carry...
On February 15 2013 10:19 nxk wrote: And how can people say that Regi is the weakest when he's their best playmaker and usually the one who carries the team when they win. When they lose he looks bad because he's under pressure to carry...
You cant be just a player who wins already won games. He needs to become a player who can make plays that can convert a lost game to a won one.
On February 15 2013 10:19 nxk wrote: And how can people say that Regi is the weakest when he's their best playmaker and usually the one who carries the team when they win. When they lose he looks bad because he's under pressure to carry...
Yeah... umm... no. He carries TSM as much as HotShot carries CLG. (Translation: Never. I'm not saying ever, because they had their shine in the 80s, khm, I mean in the early days.)
On February 15 2013 10:19 nxk wrote: And how can people say that Regi is the weakest when he's their best playmaker and usually the one who carries the team when they win. When they lose he looks bad because he's under pressure to carry...
People call Regi weak because he seems to play very linearly. It's purely aggro and if he gets set back significantly like this last game, he has trouble making an impact for his team for the remainder of the game.
As a carry, you need to be able to pull it together and still make plays. Regardless if your team is ahead or behind.
Edit: lolol triple kill post on one quote, gg guys Edit2: HSGG can still carry with Nid and he's crazy consistent on that champ. Makes sense though because when CLG lets HSGG get Nid, they build a very competent team comp around it. Someone remind me the last time Regi demolished the opposing team and carried TSM to a win?
People call Regi weak because he seems to play very linearly. It's purely aggro and if he gets set back significantly like this last game, he has trouble making an impact for his team for the remainder of the game.
As a carry, you need to be able to pull it together and still make plays. Regardless if your team is ahead or behind.
Yeah that's true I guess. He prefers to play champions that can initiate and make plays (like Ryze, or s2 Karthus), and struggles with more passive champs like Orianna even though he's decent with her mechanically...
On February 15 2013 09:58 nxk wrote: Seems to me that OddOne can only play support junglers and it's really limiting the team comps that TSM can run. Hopefully he can step it up soon or TSM might drop down to #4 if not lower.
That's exactly what Saint said about OddOne coming into Season 3 but of course everyone dismissed him as a hater.
Yeah, I always thought TOO was the weakest player on TSM and now the s3 changes have hit him really hard.
And I think you are wrong on both accounts.
If you're going to say someone's opinion is wrong, you better offer something better. Frankly, I don't think S3 did OddOne any service, if he's not your pick for TSM's weakest link, then who is?
Regi is clearly their weakest link, was this not obvious to everyone? I would also say that lately, ChaoX is also playing worse. If you criticize TOO for only playing tanky support junglers, what about Chaox who can only play MF and Ez with any degree of success lately? And frankly, I don't think he does that well on Ez, comparatively.
I don't think S3 really affected TOO at all, if anything the increased focus on tankiness suits him just fine. He is however somewhat dependent on being able to make plays for his lanes, and when they fall behind to a level when they are ungankable, he cannot really recover (very very few can though). But this is nothing new for S3, his playstyle was always like that. Locket being good to rush on junglers is perfect for his style imo.
People call Regi weak because he seems to play very linearly. It's purely aggro and if he gets set back significantly like this last game, he has trouble making an impact for his team for the remainder of the game.
As a carry, you need to be able to pull it together and still make plays. Regardless if your team is ahead or behind.
Yeah that's true I guess. He prefers to play champions that can initiate and make plays (like Ryze, or s2 Karthus), and struggles with more passive champs like Orianna even though he's decent with her mechanically...
If you had seen Regi practicing Anivia (it was a while ago in S2, so probably a lot of ppl missed it) you would never ever mention his name with mechanics in the same sentence. Thats why he played a lot of Karthus and Morgana you don't need good mechanics to make them work.
You know what was the biggest difference between Regi's Morgana and Nyjacky's Morgana? Nijacky hit almost all of his bindings (even in the fog of war, that guy is crazy-good), Regi missed almost all of them. Mechanics.
On February 15 2013 10:32 Sufficiency wrote: People are forgetting how TSM utterly destroyed Dig during Week 1.
Dignitas switched it up, TSM (once again) failed to adapt. Is Dignitas a better team now? I don't know, no one knows, but they apaprently figured TSM out. Take away MF from Chaox so he's uselss, which drags down Xpecial as well (though he failed that first Zenith Blade under the tower, but whatever). Don't let TOO pull the same trick 1239826182713612 times in a row, three people down. Regi is Regi, 4 people down. Good luck carrying them, Dyrus.
On February 15 2013 09:58 nxk wrote: Seems to me that OddOne can only play support junglers and it's really limiting the team comps that TSM can run. Hopefully he can step it up soon or TSM might drop down to #4 if not lower.
That's exactly what Saint said about OddOne coming into Season 3 but of course everyone dismissed him as a hater.
Yeah, I always thought TOO was the weakest player on TSM and now the s3 changes have hit him really hard.
And I think you are wrong on both accounts.
If you're going to say someone's opinion is wrong, you better offer something better. Frankly, I don't think S3 did OddOne any service, if he's not your pick for TSM's weakest link, then who is?
Regi is clearly their weakest link, was this not obvious to everyone? I would also say that lately, ChaoX is also playing worse. If you criticize TOO for only playing tanky support junglers, what about Chaox who can only play MF and Ez with any degree of success lately? And frankly, I don't think he does that well on Ez, comparatively.
I don't think S3 really affected TOO at all, if anything the increased focus on tankiness suits him just fine. He is however somewhat dependent on being able to make plays for his lanes, and when they fall behind to a level when they are ungankable, he cannot really recover (very very few can though). But this is nothing new for S3, his playstyle was always like that. Locket being good to rush on junglers is perfect for his style imo.
The main problem with OddOne though is that he sacrifices a lot of farm efficiency to wait for ganks. Against weak teams it's fine because they can always convert the gank into a kill, but against top teams he just falls further and further behind. Yes the OddOne can play tanky junglers well but he's not really tanky if you fall behind on farm in the mid game.
This subforum swings really violently with TSM. They have good games and bad games, last week they lost to CLG, "they don't have what it takes anymore" then they win their next games and everyone swings the other way. Now TSM goes 1-1 on the day and people are back to talking about how they just aren't good enough. Very few posts actually make it seem like TSM is a competent team, which they still are, for sure. xD
On February 15 2013 10:50 GhandiEAGLE wrote: This subforum swings really violently with TSM. They have good games and bad games, last week they lost to CLG, "they don't have what it takes anymore" then they win their next games and everyone swings the other way. Now TSM goes 1-1 on the day and people are back to talking about how they just aren't good enough. Very few posts actually make it seem like TSM is a competent team, which they still are, for sure. xD
I can only talk for myself but I like to take every opportunity to emhasize that they still don't stand any chance versus hard-working, Asian teams, and would be probably beaten by most of the top European teams as well. They are still a force to reckon with in NA and will be, no one can doubt that, but they never seem to work really hard on their flaws which exist for a very long time now. I can't say Chaox is clearly off when he's crushing faces with MF, but when he actually has to switch it up, he just looks miserable, so I take this opportunity for example to say that he needs work on his mindset, or else TSM's story will be the same as they go abroad: "HOW DID THEY LOSE, I THOUGHT THEY ARE BEST TEAM NA!".
Just look at Curse, they are everything right now TSM is not. Having a huge lead? They can keep it. Being banned out? No problem, HUUUGE champion pool. Being behind? No problem, the players are good enough individually that they can carry each other to the point they all play solid enough.
Right now, this is how TSM looks like: Did Chaox get MF? Y/N. Did OddOne dived successfully? Y/N. Can Dyrus carry them? Y/N. I'm not impressed.
On February 15 2013 11:00 Volband wrote: Just look at Curse, they are everything right now TSM is not. Having a huge lead? They can keep it. Being banned out? No problem, HUUUGE champion pool. Being behind? No problem, the players are good enough individually that they can carry each other to the point they all play solid enough.
Individual skill is actually arguably Curse's biggest shortcoming, particularly in the jungle and bot lane.
Curse just looks like the only NA team that actually knows how to play as a team past the 30 minute mark.
On February 15 2013 11:00 Volband wrote: Just look at Curse, they are everything right now TSM is not. Having a huge lead? They can keep it. Being banned out? No problem, HUUUGE champion pool. Being behind? No problem, the players are good enough individually that they can carry each other to the point they all play solid enough.
Individual skill is actually arguably Curse's biggest shortcoming, particularly in the jungle and bot lane.
Curse just looks like the only NA team that actually knows how to play as a team past the 30 minute mark.
Nyjacky, Voyboy, Stvicious... they are all pretty damn good individually, most of the teams would like to call them shortcomings in their own team. Which if funny, because today their bot lane carried them out of that minor slump (Voyboy not dominating his lane [even losing for some point], Saint missing 2 dragons [though this is a team fail], Jacky sleeping a bit too much). Old Curse was all about Jacky, but things have changed.
On February 15 2013 11:00 Volband wrote: Just look at Curse, they are everything right now TSM is not. Having a huge lead? They can keep it. Being banned out? No problem, HUUUGE champion pool. Being behind? No problem, the players are good enough individually that they can carry each other to the point they all play solid enough.
Individual skill is actually arguably Curse's biggest shortcoming, particularly in the jungle and bot lane.
Curse just looks like the only NA team that actually knows how to play as a team past the 30 minute mark.
In NA, it really isn't a huge short coming. The way cop and elementz are playing, in just during laning phase, they're probably #2 in NA right now imo. St.V gunna need to increase champion pool, he's starting to attract a lot of bans. It's been a while since junglers started attracting more than one ban. lol.
Though I agree, if compared to international scene, they simply don't have a "maknoob", or "froggen" on their team. Despite voyboy being godly good in NA scene, he'd easily get crushed by Caomei, Shy, Maknoob, tiers of players.
Nyjacky can maybe hold is own against froggen/toyz/misaya tier players (just in nature of how midlane works out), but his teamfight presence not nearly as strong as they are.
And obviously elementz is no godlife, and cop is far away from bebe/pray/dl tier.
st.v maybe the closest thing they have to a top-top-top tier international player, but that's just cuz junglers everywhere are just all around the same level.
On February 15 2013 11:00 Volband wrote: Just look at Curse, they are everything right now TSM is not. Having a huge lead? They can keep it. Being banned out? No problem, HUUUGE champion pool. Being behind? No problem, the players are good enough individually that they can carry each other to the point they all play solid enough.
Individual skill is actually arguably Curse's biggest shortcoming, particularly in the jungle and bot lane.
Curse just looks like the only NA team that actually knows how to play as a team past the 30 minute mark.
Nyjacky, Voyboy, Stvicious... they are all pretty damn good individually, most of the teams would like to call them shortcomings in their own team. Which if funny, because today their bot lane carried them out of that minor slump (Voyboy not dominating his lane [even losing for some point], Saint missing 2 dragons [though this is a team fail], Jacky sleeping a bit too much). Old Curse was all about Jacky, but things have changed.
Saint's Hecarim was the one that carried them out of the situation imo with the way he played the teamfights.
On February 15 2013 11:00 Volband wrote: Just look at Curse, they are everything right now TSM is not. Having a huge lead? They can keep it. Being banned out? No problem, HUUUGE champion pool. Being behind? No problem, the players are good enough individually that they can carry each other to the point they all play solid enough.
Individual skill is actually arguably Curse's biggest shortcoming, particularly in the jungle and bot lane.
Curse just looks like the only NA team that actually knows how to play as a team past the 30 minute mark.
Nyjacky, Voyboy, Stvicious... they are all pretty damn good individually, most of the teams would like to call them shortcomings in their own team. Which if funny, because today their bot lane carried them out of that minor slump (Voyboy not dominating his lane [even losing for some point], Saint missing 2 dragons [though this is a team fail], Jacky sleeping a bit too much). Old Curse was all about Jacky, but things have changed.
Lautemortis' Vi was the one that carried them out of the situation imo with the way he played the teamfights.
FTFY.
Literally all curse did was ran at the Kog. oh and pick up all the free kills.
Somewhat on the fence with today's results. Pretty disappointed that MARN didn't put up more of a fight against Dig when Dignitas seemed to be struggling last week. Then again, pretty fun to watch Dig beat out TSM. Even more fun is the reaction from all the different communities. I enjoyed that part at least!
A bit interested in how col/the brunch club will end up doing. They seem to have the same issues as most of the other teams where they can't finish a game off. Overall though, they were one of the better teams today. They were in a decently good position against Curse today(which isn't so easy at the moment considering their run), but it just fell apart.
The rest of the qualifying teams didn't perform anywhere near what I'd like to have happened. Although there seems to be more personality in NA, the overall team quality seems much better in EU/Asian teams which will always be disappointing.
On February 15 2013 10:50 GhandiEAGLE wrote: This subforum swings really violently with TSM. They have good games and bad games, last week they lost to CLG, "they don't have what it takes anymore" then they win their next games and everyone swings the other way. Now TSM goes 1-1 on the day and people are back to talking about how they just aren't good enough. Very few posts actually make it seem like TSM is a competent team, which they still are, for sure. xD
I agree that TL LoL rides on TSM the hardest (before and since LCS has started) but it's not personal. In Season 2, TSM was the undisputed top NA team. They had the most accolades and first place finishes last season, that can't be argued. But since then, they've fallen out of form, so people scrutinize.
From the highest of highs (at least from the NA scene XD) to "competent" is quite the fall. But that doesn't change the fact that TSM is still the most popular team on TL LoL (imo).
Ehhhhhh, tbh S2 was easy ride for TSM for the most part... We saw like only like 2 TSM vs CLG lan tournament games all season... Though no doubt they were top S2 NA team, but that simply wasn't cutting it, as seen by WCS. TSM still strong in NA, top 3 for sure, but is that really saying much? I mean just look at NA competition... CLG/TSM/Crs only ones looking strong for NA scene, but could they even realistically compete against international power houses? Maybe CLG and Crs; TSM always been shaky against different metas.
TSM has just really stagnated since they were NA champs in S2. Chaox/Xpecial used to be considered best NA bot lane by far, but it's like they haven't improved at all while all the other bot laners have improved drastically. Same deal with Dyrus. Regi is as inconsistent as ever, being a complete beast one game and being a total nub in the next. TOO's probably improved the most out of them all, but his playstyle means that if the rest of TSM is sucking, he's simply not going to have an impact.
Oh my god watching the vods right now, Qtpie 1v3 TSm and actually gettingthe kill on Regi, glorious Draven power.
And yeah the game snowballed off of the mid doublekill+doublebuff for scarra, Regi going aggro once again and staying in Diana melee range to "bait".
I often see alot of people saying Reginald is there playmaker and if he does well, TSM does well. Well surprise to me that's just the nature of the Mid position, imo the positiion with the most carry potential. If he falls behind because he goes aggressive once again, the other mid will crush his entire team in return.
Last time after his "Pax Trashtalk" he uploaded a video saying he crushed scarra 1v1, I wonder if he does it again this time admitting Scarra crushed him 1v1 :D probably not but noway he woulda survived that even without mao/xin intervention.
and holy shit the 2 Vi games were terrible :D Riot pls don't nerf her
So after watching OddOne and ClakeyD I have to say, jesus the jungle snowballs hard now.
I mean, I hadn't really thought about it, but the removal of ramping gold/exp for camps you hadn't cleared really hurts if you fall behind (die) and aren't able to be clearing camps. They both had a death relatively early, and then it looked like they just fed for the rest of the game.
They were trying to make plays to get back into the game and get caught up, but with wards being as relevant as they are it ended up putting them further behind.
This also explains why Xin/J4/etc are really popular right now. Play a strong duelist, get ahead of the other jungler, then just make them irrelevant by being stronger during every gank/counter gank, or go them mess up in their own jungle. Look at how Saint treated Clakey, or Crumbzz treated OddOne.
Alright, so I finally watched the dig v TSM game from Day 1. TSM got FB on KiWi after dying 3v1 np but then Chaox dies. Then a few minutes in mid, Regi straight up dies to scarra with zero intervention. All Crumbzz did was ensure OddOne didn't revenge kill scarra but either way Diana ends up 2-0 with double buffs.
On February 15 2013 22:49 Lounge wrote: So after watching OddOne and ClakeyD I have to say, jesus the jungle snowballs hard now.
I mean, I hadn't really thought about it, but the removal of ramping gold/exp for camps you hadn't cleared really hurts if you fall behind (die) and aren't able to be clearing camps. They both had a death relatively early, and then it looked like they just fed for the rest of the game.
They were trying to make plays to get back into the game and get caught up, but with wards being as relevant as they are it ended up putting them further behind.
This also explains why Xin/J4/etc are really popular right now. Play a strong duelist, get ahead of the other jungler, then just make them irrelevant by being stronger during every gank/counter gank, or go them mess up in their own jungle. Look at how Saint treated Clakey, or Crumbzz treated OddOne.
I think part of the problem is they tried too hard to get back. I mean Clakey went to the enemy blue to steal it while being super behind and used his escape to get there. Really stupid play that only works if you're so far ahead. It seems like it's not just the case of jungle snowballing but also junglers not playing from behind properly and just feeding constantly.
Saint played Hec vs col and wasn't really ahead, they actually were struggling a bit but he just kept on farming and waited for chance to get ahead instead of trying to force plays that are far too risky. I just think Clakey is a bad jungler on anything that isn't J4. He showed that in LCS and showed that now again.
On February 15 2013 22:50 NeoIllusions wrote: Alright, so I finally watched the dig v TSM game from Day 1. TSM got FB on KiWi after dying 3v1 np but then Chaox dies. Then a few minutes in mid, Regi straight up dies to scarra with zero intervention. All Crumbzz did was ensure OddOne didn't revenge kill scarra but either way Diana ends up 2-0 with double buffs.
-.-;;
Yeah, was pretty disappointed by TSM, quite a one sided start. Even if TSM made some pretty interesting move, such as ward dig's blue, taking it after tower, they were just dying in lane and getting outplayed. Regi going in close range without mana and half hp against a diana with her passiv up was just plain bad.
Haha, not that long if you use the search function properly. Search "twitch and draven", localize to just the LoL subforum, looking at my own posts. Took 30 seconds top.
On February 15 2013 05:12 JonGalt wrote: Gahhhh, matches don't start until 11pm for me. And my phone's dead.
TSM TSM TSM!!
YOU WUSSING OUT ON US GALT?
Edit: I'd cheer for Curse, but they don't need it today.
First: No I wasn't! My phone did though Poor conservation of phone battery. If the sun came out at night I could charge it Or if I had a lunar charging panel AND a solar charging panel. Someone invent this please
On February 15 2013 09:55 FindMeInKenya wrote: it's k, TSM will win the LCS, right? RIGHT??
26-2 son no probs.
EZPZ Lemon Squeezy.
In all honesty, to make it to mid-season, 20-8 will probably be good enough.
On February 15 2013 10:50 GhandiEAGLE wrote: This subforum swings really violently with TSM. They have good games and bad games, last week they lost to CLG, "they don't have what it takes anymore" then they win their next games and everyone swings the other way. Now TSM goes 1-1 on the day and people are back to talking about how they just aren't good enough. Very few posts actually make it seem like TSM is a competent team, which they still are, for sure. xD
You sir perfectly embody your name. The wisdom of Ghandi and the courage/bravery of an Eagle. Definitely agree with you.
I also admit that TSM's weakest point is that they are very poor at adapting. Granted I can't watch the LCS, but reading the forums and remembering from S2 - they really need to learn to adapt. And learn to play from behind. I hope them getting beat by draven/singed really gives them a kick start to try and start opening up their champ pool and strategies.
It seems Crumbzz mindgamed them hard. They are too predictable.
(And I blame every TSM loss on Asmodeus)
Oof. That hurt to say all that. Must. Unleash. Fanboyism.
On February 15 2013 07:01 Treadmill wrote: Xpecial on both teams apparently.
Please tell me someone screencaptured that, I was too busy falling off my chair.
Oh and for reddit, I don't mind the trashtalk thread, but /r/leagueoflegends has been general discussion 2.0 for a couple of months now.
Someone get this shit to JonGalt.
"Xpecial is so good that he can play on both teams in same time"
Might (definitely) have to edit the Fanclub.
Only reason TSM lost to Dig was because they saw how badly Dig crushed MRN and was worried Dig forgot how to throw. (And because of Asmodeus)
P.S. LB finally NOT banned, and Regi didn't play her. What gives!? Although I have never played a Diana vs LB lane, nor have I seen one. Anyone have any insight as to how it goes? And anyone have any insight as to why Regi didn't pick her? I can't wait to see if he plays her tonight.
I asked ClakeyD why he thought the brush he stood in wouldn't be warded, and he said he was sick and going through "withdrawal," I'm assuming from the meds. And that teams normally ward banana brush on blue side and the mid brush on red side so he assumed it wasn't warded. Scarra was also comboing ecco every chance he got so clakey thought he could burn scarra's flash if he ganked at lv3.
Regi is definitely not the weak link in TSM. He's their playmaker. In most games it's hard to pin blame on one person. In the loss vs. Dignitas it was a team wide breakdown.
I also admit that TSM's weakest point is that they are very poor at adapting.
Case in point: Jarvan and Xin are unavailable, Oddone ends up picking Maokai as jungler when he had much better options for their comp available.
I can't say I like their teamcomp overall. I prefer Maokai when the lanes are stronger, so that his CC will secure kills. When/if the lanes are weaker, his ganks suffer much more than a more damage heavy jangle. But then, they picked Oriana into Diana, and I personally favour Diana post 6. I guess it can go well if Oriana can harass Diana early on, though. Maybe TSM banked on that.
Singed is always really hard to gank, unless you 3 man dive (and don't screw it up). And we saw how hard Draven Zyra dominated Ezreal Leona. Leona might be sort of symbolic for TSM, strong when ahead, but rarely recovers once behind.
For them to get back to the top (rather than just being 3-4th team US) they need to find some new ideas, which suite their style, and exploit that. Picking the current strongest champs only takes you so far.
@ Regi not being the weak link, he was basically letting Diana have his way with the lane early, when it should be significantly favored towards Orianna. Diana winning that lane (by not losing early -> picking up kills) had a huge influence over that game. @Maokai - I agree, I would have taken a jungler that can bring more damage while still having a good gapclose. Physical damage is a plus, because despite having Renekton, their comp had very little physical damage to take advantage of armor shred. Nocturne or Vi come to mind.
So is Renekton not an earlygame champ anymore? Has that S2 idea been blown out of the water with the S3 changes? Because Dyrus was much stronger than Singed by standard gold metrics, but couldn't prevent singed from applying pressure mid-lategame.
Who was better than Maokai for TSM's lineup (besides the banned junglers)? To me, they picked a lineup that had to win early, and Maokai secures early kills better than any other jungler. If they wanted a balanced comp they would have put Dyrus on Olaf and picked a ranged support.
On February 16 2013 05:40 sylverfyre wrote: @ Regi not being the weak link, he was basically letting Diana have his way with the lane early, when it should be significantly favored towards Orianna. Diana winning that lane (by not losing early -> picking up kills) had a huge influence over that game. @Maokai - I agree, I would have taken a jungler that can bring more damage while still having a good gapclose. Physical damage is a plus, because despite having Renekton, their comp had very little physical damage to take advantage of armor shred. Nocturne or Vi come to mind.
Which is weird because for a spell TOO was playing Nocturne to such a great effect that people were banning it instead of Maokai. Then, he just stopped. Same can be said for Dyrus with Vlad.
On February 16 2013 06:15 cLutZ wrote: So is Renekton not an earlygame champ anymore? Has that S2 idea been blown out of the water with the S3 changes? Because Dyrus was much stronger than Singed by standard gold metrics, but couldn't prevent singed from applying pressure mid-lategame.
Who was better than Maokai for TSM's lineup (besides the banned junglers)? To me, they picked a lineup that had to win early, and Maokai secures early kills better than any other jungler. If they wanted a balanced comp they would have put Dyrus on Olaf and picked a ranged support.
The deal with Renekton lately is that he can fulfill a late game role of shredding with e, other than just being tanky. More generally paired with MF as TSM did their first game. But overall, I just think their comp was weaksauce.
On February 16 2013 06:15 cLutZ wrote: So is Renekton not an earlygame champ anymore? Has that S2 idea been blown out of the water with the S3 changes? Because Dyrus was much stronger than Singed by standard gold metrics, but couldn't prevent singed from applying pressure mid-lategame.
Who was better than Maokai for TSM's lineup (besides the banned junglers)? To me, they picked a lineup that had to win early, and Maokai secures early kills better than any other jungler. If they wanted a balanced comp they would have put Dyrus on Olaf and picked a ranged support.
Mao pick wasn't necessarily terrible but I guess it emphasizes oddone's limited champion pool, he plays alot of shit in SoloQ but he is not confident to to play stuff like Hecarin or Lee competetively I guess. Noc in this case e.g. would have been a decent pick.
I actually think Crumbzz postgame interview was very insightful of how the game snowballed so hard, oddone's flash near the tier 2 turret after xpecial and oddone ganked him, was so retarded. Crumbzz just had to predict where he would gank next for the perfect countergank and Reginald was like: Dude gank mid I bait him. > Boom doublebuff and doublekill Scarra. Not only was it a huge missplay from regi who would have died anyway even if crumbz didnt come but Oddone couldn't get away either cause he burned his flash earler for no reason. Well and Mao vs Xin at all stages of the game isn't even close.
I also admit that TSM's weakest point is that they are very poor at adapting.
Case in point: Jarvan and Xin are unavailable, Oddone ends up picking Maokai as jungler when he had much better options for their comp available.
I can't say I like their teamcomp overall. I prefer Maokai when the lanes are stronger, so that his CC will secure kills. When/if the lanes are weaker, his ganks suffer much more than a more damage heavy jangle. But then, they picked Oriana into Diana, and I personally favour Diana post 6. I guess it can go well if Oriana can harass Diana early on, though. Maybe TSM banked on that.
Singed is always really hard to gank, unless you 3 man dive (and don't screw it up). And we saw how hard Draven Zyra dominated Ezreal Leona. Leona might be sort of symbolic for TSM, strong when ahead, but rarely recovers once behind.
For them to get back to the top (rather than just being 3-4th team US) they need to find some new ideas, which suite their style, and exploit that. Picking the current strongest champs only takes you so far.
Find = Copy from EU
But yea i dont really see TSM comming back this season, because of their teamplay and individiual skill. The other teams are becomming better and TSM just cant grow anymore because they go in with the wrong mindset in games.
I agree with Neo saying that Chaox is the weakest link on TSM. He doesn't have the throw potential that Regi does, but he also doesn't actually do anything to win the game for TSM. He just rides on the opportunity that his teammates give him. He farms when he's given space, and doesn't do anything to make TSM win.
To me Chaox just feels like he has the least impact on the actual outcome of the game out of anyone on TSM, which is a bad thing when he has the highest farm priority.
I'm not sure if he is THE weakest link but definitely one of the big problems.His champ pool is so insanely poor for an adc.You really should be able to play every ad other than urgot really well.It's like he forgets how to play everything other than the current op.
On February 16 2013 09:40 TheYango wrote: I agree with Neo saying that Chaox is the weakest link on TSM. He doesn't have the throw potential that Regi does, but he also doesn't actually do anything to win the game for TSM. He just rides on the opportunity that his teammates give him. He farms when he's given space, and doesn't do anything to make TSM win.
To me Chaox just feels like he has the least impact on the actual outcome of the game out of anyone on TSM, which is a bad thing when he has the highest farm priority.
I´m no expert and I dont watch all the games, but from my point of view that also has to do with the general kinda struggle adc´s are facing lately. I cant recall many games lately where the adc rly carried hard other than 2Lift. Maybe its the lack of good adc´s too with Rekkles out in EU.
On February 16 2013 09:57 onlywonderboy wrote: Alright, let's see if Curse can finally take a game off of one of the lower tier teams without letting them get a huge lead first.
Nah, losing 3 inhibs and nexus turrets isn't enough, they gotta do that, have a 100 hp nexus, and still win. Gotta make it interesting.
On February 16 2013 09:57 onlywonderboy wrote: Alright, let's see if Curse can finally take a game off of one of the lower tier teams without letting them get a huge lead first.
Nah, losing 3 inhibs and nexus turrets isn't enough, they gotta do that, have a 100 hp nexus, and still win. Gotta make it interesting.
On February 16 2013 09:40 TheYango wrote: I agree with Neo saying that Chaox is the weakest link on TSM. He doesn't have the throw potential that Regi does, but he also doesn't actually do anything to win the game for TSM. He just rides on the opportunity that his teammates give him. He farms when he's given space, and doesn't do anything to make TSM win.
To me Chaox just feels like he has the least impact on the actual outcome of the game out of anyone on TSM, which is a bad thing when he has the highest farm priority.
I´m no expert and I dont watch all the games, but from my point of view that also has to do with the general kinda struggle adc´s are facing lately. I cant recall many games lately where the adc rly carried hard other than 2Lift. Maybe its the lack of good adc´s too with Rekkles out in EU.
yellowpete carried EG pretty hard in one of the games imo
Can anyone give a quick rundown on how the Asian scenes are handling this "league" system? They have LCS for NA and EU but it seems the Asian scenes are doing their own system.
GGU showed good play against CLG and Curse last week. It will be interesting to see if they can beat Dignitas.
The GGU - Vulcun game is also of note because it's the first game between two of the (presumed) 'bottom 4' teams. So far every game between a 'big 4' team and a 'bottom 4' team has ended with the 'big 4' team winning. At the very least, one of the 'bottom 4' will be on the board today.
On February 16 2013 10:13 Slaughter wrote: Can anyone give a quick rundown on how the Asian scenes are handling this "league" system? They have LCS for NA and EU but it seems the Asian scenes are doing their own system.
Korea has OGN circuit points, China has Tencent Pro League, SEA has GPL.
Curse invades vulcan blue - hecarim barely makes it out, alone no help Vulcan invades curse blue - 3 people already there forcing them out
You can tell the difference in team co-ordination.
On February 16 2013 10:31 rhs408 wrote: saint running from jacky might have been the worst demonstration of teamwork that I've ever seen in a pro tourney game
I think he didn't have enough mana to do the EQ and told nyjacky.
Is this game pretty bad, or am I just too tired to appreciate? Vulcun making pretty crappy decisions around objectives and teamfighting, and Curse doesn't look as sharp as usual, either.
Cop is so open, and Vulcun splits focus between Taric, Jarvan and Ryze instead. Sigh.
On February 16 2013 10:37 DragoonTT wrote: Is this game pretty bad, or am I just too tired to appreciate? Vulcun making pretty crappy decisions around objectives and teamfighting, and Curse doesn't look as sharp as usual, either.
On February 16 2013 10:37 DragoonTT wrote: Is this game pretty bad, or am I just too tired to appreciate? Vulcun making pretty crappy decisions around objectives and teamfighting, and Curse doesn't look as sharp as usual, either.
Cop is so open, and Vulcun splits focus between Taric, Jarvan and Ryze instead. Sigh.
Yeah feel the same. I guess Curse feels they dont need to do anything, as Vulcun's teamfight is bad anyway.
On February 16 2013 10:41 scarper65 wrote: did vayne just tumble out of j4 ult?
She can, because it isn't "truly" terrain the way walls are.
She didn't that fight though, I'm pretty sure she flashed.
It's pretty funny how Saint manages to get to Zuna every time, but Vulcun doesn't even try attacking Cop even though he's grossly mispositioned
God this game is horrible. Not even horrible in a funny way, sadly. That Nidalee - tried to hide in the brush but is visible, gets stunned, flashes over, pounces in the wrong direction and still gets out because Curse doesn't manage to kill her...
On February 16 2013 10:41 scarper65 wrote: did vayne just tumble out of j4 ult?
She can, because it isn't "truly" terrain the way walls are.
She didn't that fight though, I'm pretty sure she flashed.
It's pretty funny how Saint manages to get to Zuna every time, but Vulcun doesn't even try attacking Cop even though he's grossly mispositioned
God this game is horrible. Not even horrible in a funny way, sadly. That Nidalee - tried to hide in the brush but is visible, gets stunned, flashes over, pounces in the wrong direction and still gets out because Curse doesn't manage to kill her...
It's only misposition if someone goes on him, tbh. ADC's don't move unless they absolutely have to. So, unless someone is jumping on his ass, there's no reason for Cop to move out of the way.
On February 16 2013 10:52 Slaughter wrote: Curse just sat back the whole game lol. K we take dragons and towers you just barely get away in fights. Ok now we strong enough to roll you. GG
imo that's how the more experienced teams play, they put on no-risk clinical play.
I'm really hoping that the weaker teams will get better as the season progresses and they have more experience playing the stronger teams. Right now it's way too easy to guess who will win a game. Have there even been any upsets in the 13 games played?
On February 16 2013 10:54 Amethyst21 wrote: I mean Vulcan is bad, but their losses have been to TSM, Dig, TSM again and then now Curse - hardly any losses to be to upset about.
Well both GGU and Col have at least put up a fight. Vulcan just falls over and dies before they even get into the game wtf
On February 16 2013 10:53 ExoFun wrote: Can someone explain the purpose of Vulcun's teamcomp?
I think the purpose was making a front-line that could hold back Curse, leaving vayne open to shred them. Didn't work that well tho.
EDIT: What i mean is they would have hecarim and tanky nidalee in the front, and sona+lulu in the back supporting up a vayne who could potentially rape Curse's front-line. The main purpose would be hecarim and nidalee soaking up the damage enough for vayne to kill the front-line, before they would switch to the backline.
On February 16 2013 10:53 Amui wrote: I think the bottom feeder teams will just fight to not be last place. MRN & Vulcan, and GGU& CoL to a lesser extent.
But the bottom 4 have to win the relegation series.
On February 16 2013 10:53 ExoFun wrote: Can someone explain the purpose of Vulcun's teamcomp?
Make it into late game and dominate with giant Vayne.
People need to realize giant Vayne doesn't really work at the moment. Even though she's supposed to counter health stacking, it takes her way too long to get to the point where she actually does, and meanwhile, she gets dunked by every bruiser/tank-mage in existence
On February 16 2013 10:53 ExoFun wrote: Can someone explain the purpose of Vulcun's teamcomp?
try to get to late game and have vayne and hecarim 2 man everything with supports to keep them alive while nidalee was off doing not much at all by herself .. or something
On February 16 2013 10:53 ExoFun wrote: Can someone explain the purpose of Vulcun's teamcomp?
Make it into late game and dominate with giant Vayne.
Pretty much, what Curse's team comp is, is all about AOE Damage + diving. If you can get to the point of Vayne being godlike strong, with Lulu ulti, the idea is that jarvan's just going to ult into a lulu-ult'd vayne, and just get face melted, and aoe won't be enough to jump through Vayne. It's a variation on Dig's 3 support + kog comp. Biggest issue imo is lack of 3rd support, and the huge hits ADC's items in s3 makes it really hard to play it out.
A 4-1 strat doesn't really work if you don't have people that are threats in mid game to "carry" you over to late game. Lulu/Hec/Nid all did absolutely nothing mid game so they just rolled over and died
I am still flabbergasted that I've seen a hecarim who did not buy the True damage item. It's probably the hardest powerspike he can get, instead he went for a sheen after upgrading spirit stone.
On February 16 2013 10:55 sinii wrote: I don't really understand the thought process of not running teleport on the Nidalee?
I mean what was ignite achieving. The fact Voy had teleport completely negated Vulcans entire strat...
The idea is nidalee is suppose to be able to draw in enough pressure into one lane that it'll force Curse to bring down 2 people to deal with them; but nidalee never got to that point.
On February 16 2013 10:57 Numy wrote: A 4-1 strat doesn't really work if you don't have people that are threats in mid game to "carry" you over to late game. Lulu/Hec/Nid all did absolutely nothing mid game so they just rolled over and died
Obviously it didn't work out this game, but as a teamcomp choice it wasn't a "bad" pick imo, it was execution error mostly.
On February 16 2013 11:01 Aando wrote: I missed the picking/banning but I guess Shen was banned? He'd make so much more sense to have as a top in Vulcans comp.
On February 16 2013 11:01 Aando wrote: I missed the picking/banning but I guess Shen was banned? He'd make so much more sense to have as a top in Vulcans comp.
Yeah they banned Shen. That would have been a much more interesting game to see what Vayne could have done with Lulu and Shen ult.
On February 16 2013 10:53 ExoFun wrote: Can someone explain the purpose of Vulcun's teamcomp?
Nidalee was there to create map pressure early. Use the map pressure and lane swap to negate vaynes early lane weakness and catapult her into the lategame with two supports to protect her.
It actually seemed to be working when curse traded dragon for their inner top tower. But since nidalee kept split pushing when curse was ready to go for serious objectives the lack of teleport made it ineffective. In the early game you can not teleport and have nidalee get that tower, but nidalee can't push harder than entire other team, so when vulcan loses the 4v5 she was totally ineffective
On February 16 2013 10:55 sinii wrote: I don't really understand the thought process of not running teleport on the Nidalee?
I mean what was ignite achieving. The fact Voy had teleport completely negated Vulcans entire strat...
The idea is nidalee is suppose to be able to draw in enough pressure into one lane that it'll force Curse to bring down 2 people to deal with them; but nidalee never got to that point.
That was the weird part. They played the whole thing wrong. If they wanted a split-pushing nidalee, i don't get why she would build armor, when she's facing off voyboy and not building any offensive items to help bullying voyboy enough, so he would need help.
On February 16 2013 10:41 scarper65 wrote: did vayne just tumble out of j4 ult?
She can, because it isn't "truly" terrain the way walls are.
Are you sure? I've faceplanted off a J4 wall everytime I've tried. Am I really that bad at tumbling haha
Yep, you can tumble across Cataclysm. Have to be standing close to the wall when you Tumble. There's no rule in Tumble that says you can't tumble across terrain, but it's very short range and there's no terrain on Summoner's Rift that's thin enough for her to tumble over. Cataclysm is.
On February 16 2013 11:03 wei2coolman wrote: Elementz is a great interviewee; need more elementz interviews! But, can't wait for Nyjacky's qt interviews!
I can never understand Jacky. "MIDA MISS!" - he's cute though, no homo.
On February 16 2013 11:03 wei2coolman wrote: Elementz is a great interviewee; need more elementz interviews! But, can't wait for Nyjacky's qt interviews!
Yea he is really well spoken. He also confirmed what people were saying about curse vs these lesser teams. They don't really do specific prac and kind of just pick shit they want to play so it's a bit messier than their games vs better teams where they far more prepped
On February 16 2013 11:04 DragoonTT wrote: GGUs probably going to get stomped unless they prepared very meticulously
Sub changes are worrisome, not sure how Zion will do against scarra.
If they don't ban zionspartan's fizz, Scarra gunna get wrekced i feeel. Zionspartan's fizz is pretty scary as fuck. We'll see.
Zion's mid play is pretty convincing from what I've seen in solo queue streams.
Oh shit, yeah I remember seeing him play a lot of Fizz in soloq on someone's stream. That would be pretty awesome, I love seeing Frizz in competitive play, Zion can pay a tribute to Tabzz so we actually see Fizz in the LCS.
On February 16 2013 11:04 DragoonTT wrote: GGUs probably going to get stomped unless they prepared very meticulously
Sub changes are worrisome, not sure how Zion will do against scarra.
If they don't ban zionspartan's fizz, Scarra gunna get wrekced i feeel. Zionspartan's fizz is pretty scary as fuck. We'll see.
Zion's mid play is pretty convincing from what I've seen in solo queue streams.
Oh shit, yeah I remember seeing him play a lot of Fizz in soloq on someone's stream. That would be pretty awesome, I love seeing Frizz in competitive play, Zion can pay a tribute to Tabzz so we actually see Fizz in the LCS.
Bjergsen wrecks on Fizz, though I don't think Wolves will let him play it - doesn't quite seem to fit their style. But I guess we'll see next week.
On February 16 2013 11:04 DragoonTT wrote: GGUs probably going to get stomped unless they prepared very meticulously
Sub changes are worrisome, not sure how Zion will do against scarra.
If they don't ban zionspartan's fizz, Scarra gunna get wrekced i feeel. Zionspartan's fizz is pretty scary as fuck. We'll see.
Zion's mid play is pretty convincing from what I've seen in solo queue streams.
Oh shit, yeah I remember seeing him play a lot of Fizz in soloq on someone's stream. That would be pretty awesome, I love seeing Frizz in competitive play, Zion can pay a tribute to Tabzz so we actually see Fizz in the LCS.
Bjergsen wrecks on Fizz, though I don't think Wolves will let him play it - doesn't quite seem to fit their style. But I guess we'll see next week.
Forgot about him, I'm a bad fanboy I'm hoping he busts out his Syndra. He shit on Froggniva in soloq with it lol.
On February 16 2013 11:04 DragoonTT wrote: GGUs probably going to get stomped unless they prepared very meticulously
Sub changes are worrisome, not sure how Zion will do against scarra.
If they don't ban zionspartan's fizz, Scarra gunna get wrekced i feeel. Zionspartan's fizz is pretty scary as fuck. We'll see.
Zion's mid play is pretty convincing from what I've seen in solo queue streams.
Oh shit, yeah I remember seeing him play a lot of Fizz in soloq on someone's stream. That would be pretty awesome, I love seeing Frizz in competitive play, Zion can pay a tribute to Tabzz so we actually see Fizz in the LCS.
Bjergsen wrecks on Fizz, though I don't think Wolves will let him play it - doesn't quite seem to fit their style. But I guess we'll see next week.
Forgot about him, I'm a bad fanboy I'm hoping he busts out his Syndra. He shit on Froggniva in soloq with it lol.
I think a Syndra ban is very possible against Wolves. She's pretty good by now, at least tournament viable, and people are not used to playing against her. His Syndra is pretty famous, so I guess most teams will take the safe route and ban her out - especially as the other Wolves members don't seem to be quite as impactful.
Think it's more all the one sided games. If the big 4 aren't playing eachother it's just a stomp so far and even if they do play each other it might still be a stomp. People get bored of stomps quickly
On February 16 2013 11:11 nojitosunrise wrote: is it just me or is the viewership kinda low?
Will probably still get lower over the season, as people realize there are A LOT of these games.
Every team plays every team 4 times, a lot of repetition in there.
I think Riot is failing pretty hard with promotion of the NA LCS. I think they can do a better job.
I'm surprised the LCS stuff isn't more prominent on the league of legends website. They should plaster this all over their own products.
A prominent link to lolesports.com somewhere would help. LCS summoner icons would be cool, promotion of their LeageChampSeries Youtube from their main one youtube channel should have been done, restructuring the client's main page to promote the LCS might have been smart, etc. etc.
I dunno...it's week two, but Riot is making many mistakes from a marketing/branding/promotion standpoint.
On February 16 2013 11:11 nojitosunrise wrote: is it just me or is the viewership kinda low?
Will probably still get lower over the season, as people realize there are A LOT of these games.
Every team plays every team 4 times, a lot of repetition in there.
I think Riot is failing pretty hard with promotion of the NA LCS. I think they can do a better job.
What kind of viewership would you think they could have.
There is no promotion of the matches - there is no stories being told outside of the game - there is no effective narrative flow that is created between weeks. There is no deeper analysis of games which means that there are no discussion surrounding the games - even Teamliquid can't give in depth analysis of each game, and without it the discussion goes nowhere.
Like a big deal should be made about Patoy's KDA being #1 right now, and there should be a feature showing some of his great plays. That would be so simple to do, I'm amazed it isn't happening - in short RIOT is letting the casters have to do PbP and try to create sweeping narratives that sustain viewer interest
On February 16 2013 11:11 nojitosunrise wrote: is it just me or is the viewership kinda low?
Will probably still get lower over the season, as people realize there are A LOT of these games.
Every team plays every team 4 times, a lot of repetition in there.
I think Riot is failing pretty hard with promotion of the NA LCS. I think they can do a better job.
I'm surprised the LCS stuff isn't more prominent on the league of legends website. They should plaster this all over their own products.
A prominent link to lolesports.com somewhere would help. LCS summoner icons would be cool, promotion of their LeageChampSeries Youtube from their main one youtube channel should have been done, restructuring the client's main page to promote the LCS might have been smart, etc. etc.
I dunno...it's week two, but Riot is making many mistakes from a marketing/branding/promotion standpoint.
Yeah they should really bring back the Summoner Icons like they had for the S2 WC, those were raw as hell. Anywhere else I can pimp my undying bias allegiance for Curse.
On February 16 2013 11:11 nojitosunrise wrote: is it just me or is the viewership kinda low?
Will probably still get lower over the season, as people realize there are A LOT of these games.
Every team plays every team 4 times, a lot of repetition in there.
I think Riot is failing pretty hard with promotion of the NA LCS. I think they can do a better job.
I'm surprised the LCS stuff isn't more prominent on the league of legends website. They should plaster this all over their own products.
A prominent link to lolesports.com somewhere would help. LCS summoner icons would be cool, promotion of their LeageChampSeries Youtube from their main one youtube channel should have been done, restructuring the client's main page to promote the LCS might have been smart, etc. etc.
I dunno...it's week two, but Riot is making many mistakes from a marketing/branding/promotion standpoint.
Yeah they should really bring back the Summoner Icons like they had for the S2 WC, those were raw as hell. Anywhere else I can pimp my undying bias allegiance for Curse.
They need the summoner icons to make cash, though. Kinda sad almost all the new icons come down to spending and spending and spending. So yeah, if there'll be icons, you'll probably have to rent them or something
On February 16 2013 11:11 nojitosunrise wrote: is it just me or is the viewership kinda low?
Will probably still get lower over the season, as people realize there are A LOT of these games.
Every team plays every team 4 times, a lot of repetition in there.
I think Riot is failing pretty hard with promotion of the NA LCS. I think they can do a better job.
What kind of viewership would you think they could have.
There is no promotion of the matches - there is no stories being told outside of the game - there is no effective narrative flow that is created between weeks. There is no deeper analysis of games which means that there are no discussion surrounding the games - even Teamliquid can't give in depth analysis of each game, and without it the discussion goes nowhere.
Like a big deal should be made about Patoy's KDA being #1 right now, and there should be a feature showing some of his great plays. That would be so simple to do, I'm amazed it isn't happening - in short RIOT is letting the casters have to do PbP and try to create sweeping narratives that sustain viewer interest
Even before doing anything like that, Riot needs to restructure how they promote the LCS from within the client page, main game page, main youtube channel, and various community sites.
Think about all the hype that happens before a IPL/IEM, I don't get why we aren't getting the same hype on Monday-Wednesday.
Riot is making some extremely fundamental mistakes with the LCS, that they need to remedy before viewership starts slipping even more.
On February 16 2013 11:11 nojitosunrise wrote: is it just me or is the viewership kinda low?
Will probably still get lower over the season, as people realize there are A LOT of these games.
Every team plays every team 4 times, a lot of repetition in there.
I think Riot is failing pretty hard with promotion of the NA LCS. I think they can do a better job.
What kind of viewership would you think they could have.
200k easy for lower ranked teams maybe 300-350k for CLG/TSM/CRS matches.
Lol wat. I would fully understand if its soon down to 50k. The number of games is way too big for this number of concurrent viewers. The amount of viewer hours will still be huge.
On February 16 2013 11:11 nojitosunrise wrote: is it just me or is the viewership kinda low?
Will probably still get lower over the season, as people realize there are A LOT of these games.
Every team plays every team 4 times, a lot of repetition in there.
I think Riot is failing pretty hard with promotion of the NA LCS. I think they can do a better job.
What kind of viewership would you think they could have.
200k easy for lower ranked teams maybe 300-350k for CLG/TSM/CRS matches.
Lol wat. I would fully understand if its soon down to 50k. The number of games is way too big for this number of concurrent viewers. The amount of viewer hours will still be huge.
CLG vs TSM brought in those numbers last week, right?
On February 16 2013 11:11 nojitosunrise wrote: is it just me or is the viewership kinda low?
Will probably still get lower over the season, as people realize there are A LOT of these games.
Every team plays every team 4 times, a lot of repetition in there.
I think Riot is failing pretty hard with promotion of the NA LCS. I think they can do a better job.
What kind of viewership would you think they could have.
There is no promotion of the matches - there is no stories being told outside of the game - there is no effective narrative flow that is created between weeks. There is no deeper analysis of games which means that there are no discussion surrounding the games - even Teamliquid can't give in depth analysis of each game, and without it the discussion goes nowhere.
Like a big deal should be made about Patoy's KDA being #1 right now, and there should be a feature showing some of his great plays. That would be so simple to do, I'm amazed it isn't happening - in short RIOT is letting the casters have to do PbP and try to create sweeping narratives that sustain viewer interest
Even before doing anything like that, Riot needs to restructure how they promote the LCS from within the client page, main game page, main youtube channel, and various community sites.
Think about all the hype that happens before a IPL/IEM, I don't get why we aren't getting the same hype on Monday-Wednesday.
Riot is making some extremely fundamental mistakes with the LCS, that they need to remedy before viewership starts slipping even more.
Its completely appropriate to not overhype this, because the games just dont deserve this hype. The relevance of single games is rather low. Better save the hype for the important games that deserve it imo, so that you not water things down.
On February 16 2013 11:11 nojitosunrise wrote: is it just me or is the viewership kinda low?
Will probably still get lower over the season, as people realize there are A LOT of these games.
Every team plays every team 4 times, a lot of repetition in there.
I think Riot is failing pretty hard with promotion of the NA LCS. I think they can do a better job.
What kind of viewership would you think they could have.
200k easy for lower ranked teams maybe 300-350k for CLG/TSM/CRS matches.
Lol wat. I would fully understand if its soon down to 50k. The number of games is way too big for this number of concurrent viewers. The amount of viewer hours will still be huge.
CLG vs TSM brought in those numbers last week, right?
Yeah that was the first game. Which means its not a huge number of games, but just one. Afterwards people starte to realize how many games there actually are and how low the importance of a single game is.
On February 16 2013 11:11 nojitosunrise wrote: is it just me or is the viewership kinda low?
Will probably still get lower over the season, as people realize there are A LOT of these games.
Every team plays every team 4 times, a lot of repetition in there.
I think Riot is failing pretty hard with promotion of the NA LCS. I think they can do a better job.
What kind of viewership would you think they could have.
There is no promotion of the matches - there is no stories being told outside of the game - there is no effective narrative flow that is created between weeks. There is no deeper analysis of games which means that there are no discussion surrounding the games - even Teamliquid can't give in depth analysis of each game, and without it the discussion goes nowhere.
Like a big deal should be made about Patoy's KDA being #1 right now, and there should be a feature showing some of his great plays. That would be so simple to do, I'm amazed it isn't happening - in short RIOT is letting the casters have to do PbP and try to create sweeping narratives that sustain viewer interest
Even before doing anything like that, Riot needs to restructure how they promote the LCS from within the client page, main game page, main youtube channel, and various community sites.
Think about all the hype that happens before a IPL/IEM, I don't get why we aren't getting the same hype on Monday-Wednesday.
Riot is making some extremely fundamental mistakes with the LCS, that they need to remedy before viewership starts slipping even more.
It's really effing hard to do that without burning our you're fanbase. It's easy to hype up something that is happening once a month - because people are starved for content. For someone to tune in week after week, you have to give them a reason. For most traditional sports leagues you watch because you have an allegiance to a team; this is harder to do in LoL because rarely people watch a TSM game but then not watch any of the other games (I'll admit this is a small fraction of people, certainly)
Creating narratives beyond the games makes it so someone says "I want to watch CoL vs. GGU because I see how CoL is growing as a team," etc. The discussion around sports is half the fun around following sports; and RIOT is not creating narratives worth following.or paying attention to.
How is Nintendude so far behind? I understand Fat is kinda out of his depth here and fell behind, but 50 cs at 20 min on Elise is unacceptable
About the marketing - first thing Riot should have done was create a fantasy league function. People get so much more interested in matches if they always have a team to root for, even if it's just because one of "your" players is up.
On February 16 2013 11:45 DragoonTT wrote: How is Nintendude so far behind? I understand Fat is kinda out of his depth here and fell behind, but 50 cs at 20 min on Elise is unacceptable
They are all derping around wandering. He has no time to farm up
You know what I really like about GGU's team though? How much they could fuck people up in a line. That Lux laser plus Rumble ult hit 4 people from Dignitas in the dragon fight and actually did some good dmg. Too bad Rumble is so behind. I love seeing people in a line get destroyed for some reason haha.
On February 16 2013 11:47 Slow Motion wrote: You know what I really like about GGU's team though? How much they could fuck people up in a line. That Lux laser plus Rumble ult hit 4 people from Dignitas in the dragon fight and actually did some good dmg. Too bad Rumble is so behind. I love seeing people in a line get destroyed for some reason haha.
On February 16 2013 11:50 ExoFun wrote: I am really gonna hope that LCS is gonna take the tourney system of OGN. More exciting games and more stories in the season.
This system is better from a competetive viewpoint though. And you dont have to watch al games, but its nice to have the option.
On February 16 2013 11:50 ExoFun wrote: I am really gonna hope that LCS is gonna take the tourney system of OGN. More exciting games and more stories in the season.
The current format has very little to do with the quality of these games. All the NA teams have to ramp up their practice (SV said in an interview they played 1 Bo3 a day last week); 4 of the teams have only recently gone pro; and 5 of the teams have been spending substantial time with moving.
On February 16 2013 11:53 Jaksiel wrote: GGU - Vulcun probably going to be the only close game on the day. There's too big a gap between the top 4 and the bottom 4.
3 tiers so far imo. Curse~CLG TSM~Dig Everyone else.
I have so many witty comments in my bag, but I won't hurt Fat, he's just subbing, but Nintendude almost dying in 1v4 (or three, whatever) under turret what is this. And he's payed for this.
On February 16 2013 11:53 Jaksiel wrote: GGU - Vulcun probably going to be the only close game on the day. There's too big a gap between the top 4 and the bottom 4.
3 tiers so far imo. Curse~CLG TSM~Dig Everyone else.
On February 16 2013 11:53 Jaksiel wrote: GGU - Vulcun probably going to be the only close game on the day. There's too big a gap between the top 4 and the bottom 4.
3 tiers so far imo. Curse~CLG TSM~Dig Everyone else.
As a CLG fan, I hate to say this, but I don't really think there's yet been evidence that CLG is on the same tier as Curse or clearly above TSM and Dig. Of course, CLG doesn't play this week so we have less data on them than the other 'big 3' teams.
On February 16 2013 11:53 Jaksiel wrote: GGU - Vulcun probably going to be the only close game on the day. There's too big a gap between the top 4 and the bottom 4.
3 tiers so far imo. Curse~CLG TSM~Dig Everyone else.
As a CLG fan, I hate to say this, but I don't really think there's yet been evidence that CLG is on the same tier as Curse or clearly above TSM and Dig. Of course, CLG doesn't play this week so we have less data on them than the other 'big 3' teams.
TSM~Dig been on downward trend. CLG around same level as they've been for a while. CLG's picks are far more coherent than TSM~dig. I'd say Curse > CLG, but CLG still step up from TSM and Dig right now.
Also, MRN tier... I find it funny always watching Nyjacky stream as he wears a MRN shirt. Aphro was sporting a MRN jersey earlier as well.
On February 16 2013 11:53 Jaksiel wrote: GGU - Vulcun probably going to be the only close game on the day. There's too big a gap between the top 4 and the bottom 4.
3 tiers so far imo. Curse~CLG TSM~Dig Everyone else.
As a CLG fan, I hate to say this, but I don't really think there's yet been evidence that CLG is on the same tier as Curse or clearly above TSM and Dig. Of course, CLG doesn't play this week so we have less data on them than the other 'big 3' teams.
TSM~Dig been on downward trend. CLG around same level as they've been for a while. CLG's picks are far more coherent than TSM~dig. I'd say Curse > CLG, but CLG still step up from TSM and Dig right now.
Also, MRN tier... I find it funny always watching Nyjacky stream as he wears a MRN shirt. Aphro was sporting a MRN jersey earlier as well.
You wouldn't know that reading the comments for our Week 1 recap on Reddit :p
On February 16 2013 11:53 Jaksiel wrote: GGU - Vulcun probably going to be the only close game on the day. There's too big a gap between the top 4 and the bottom 4.
3 tiers so far imo. Curse~CLG TSM~Dig Everyone else.
As a CLG fan, I hate to say this, but I don't really think there's yet been evidence that CLG is on the same tier as Curse or clearly above TSM and Dig. Of course, CLG doesn't play this week so we have less data on them than the other 'big 3' teams.
TSM~Dig been on downward trend. CLG around same level as they've been for a while. CLG's picks are far more coherent than TSM~dig. I'd say Curse > CLG, but CLG still step up from TSM and Dig right now.
Also, MRN tier... I find it funny always watching Nyjacky stream as he wears a MRN shirt. Aphro was sporting a MRN jersey earlier as well.
You wouldn't know that reading the comments for our Week 1 recap on Reddit :p
I use to be a Dig fanboi, but they'v been terrible ever since ipl4. TSM's just been on downward trend from like a month or two before WCS.
Vulcan is kinda bad, GGU looked really strong in week 1 but are playing with effectively 2 subs this week and it showed. Jacky is actually answering questions on his stream right now and he said GGU have been their strongest opponents so far.
On February 16 2013 12:25 kckkryptonite wrote: Can someone explain to me the Vi ban? Is she that good in tourney play?
Crumbzz just played her last game and did work. She had good CC and can build tanky while still doing a lot of damage. She's pretty strong atm.
Tune into XJ9s stream and you will ban her every time. Pretty disgusting - though she's up for a little nerf.
Haven't seen her played quite that farm heavy though, pro teams don't like to sacrifice a lot lane farm for the jungle. Putting your laner behind in CS hurts a lot at the pro level.
It's funny, maokai+malphite should be one of the best initiation combos in teh game, dunno why they don't force baron, or a tower. But, they're playing it out correctly; it's pretty hard to 5man a tower against anivia.
Not sure why Dyrus held on his ult during those fights. Sure TSM won, but it seemed like there were several good opportunities for him to hit 3 people.
On February 16 2013 12:58 sylverfyre wrote: How can anyone be a TSM fan. They're so boring to watch ._.
When they were dominating during the majority of Season 2 they were more exciting to watch. Dunno why they aren't pushing their advantages this game.
Why should they? They are winning like they are playing now. Was the same with Crs and Dig in their respecive games today.
Fair enough, just seems silly not to push when you are so ahead. But I guess there's something to be said for playing safe. Sucks for spectators though.
I think we're at a point where teams realize how to use their lead to just starve the opponent. Now the losing teams has to figure out how to break out and make plays.
On February 16 2013 13:14 Slow Motion wrote: You'd think GGU vs Vulcun might be closer and more fun since they both bottom 4, but I have a nasty feeling that GGU will stomp
Hard to say, depends on how Zion does mid. If it was their normal line-up I would give it to GGU, but with the swaps they had to do I think Vulcun has the edge.
On February 16 2013 13:14 Slow Motion wrote: You'd think GGU vs Vulcun might be closer and more fun since they both bottom 4, but I have a nasty feeling that GGU will stomp
Hard to say, depends on how Zion does mid. If it was their normal line-up I would give it to GGU, but with the swaps they had to do I think Vulcun has the edge.
On February 16 2013 13:11 Treetime wrote: pretty boring games today : /
It was pretty clinical play by TSM in the midgame, they closed that game perfectly. No risk, no major mistakes.
Yea im not blaming them it just seems that the gap between the top 4 and bottom 4 is so big that the games are most of the time pretty clear and not that exciting, but hopefully that gap closes out a little bit during the season.
On February 16 2013 12:58 sylverfyre wrote: How can anyone be a TSM fan. They're so boring to watch ._.
When they were dominating during the majority of Season 2 they were more exciting to watch. Dunno why they aren't pushing their advantages this game.
Why should they? They are winning like they are playing now. Was the same with Crs and Dig in their respecive games today.
Fair enough, just seems silly not to push when you are so ahead. But I guess there's something to be said for playing safe. Sucks for spectators though.
HAHA GREAT SAVE AGAIN. This time Phreak lol.
If you are far enough ahead at, say, 18 minutes, oftentimes the best way to push your advantage is to outfarm and be strong enough to win the inevitable baron fight.
Random rant gg. I wish people in general never say "no offense" while saying something negative about other teams/ other players. It's such a bad statement to make. There is always a better way to phrase something without having to say such a thing. If you think you need to follow up with that "no offense" phrase, you probably don't want to say it! This applies for all genres of games.
On February 16 2013 13:29 ketchup wrote: Random rant gg. I wish people in general never say "no offense" while saying something negative about other teams/ other players. It's such a bad statement to make. There is always a better way to phrase something without having to say such a thing. If you think you need to follow up with that "no offense" phrase, you probably don't want to say it! This applies for all genres of games.
I'm feelin' the poke comp that GGU is running. 4 poke + Trundle. Lulu and Khazix pretty good on the disengage with the long-range slows to help out the pillar. They're ALL hard to catch.
Pretty interesting to see how V plays when they are comfortable against their opponents. It's a lot less sloppy than the usual games. I guess nerves + unknown factor are a lot bigger than I'd thought. I didn't know it would make that huge of a difference. I think this is the first time I've seen V ahead in the early game in the LCS.
On February 16 2013 13:29 ketchup wrote: Random rant gg. I wish people in general never say "no offense" while saying something negative about other teams/ other players. It's such a bad statement to make. There is always a better way to phrase something without having to say such a thing. If you think you need to follow up with that "no offense" phrase, you probably don't want to say it! This applies for all genres of games.
What's up with the 28 minute Tear, mashme? O_oa If you wanted to go harder with the poke, why not build towards Statikk Shiv, which wouldn't gimp your combat effectiveness?
On February 16 2013 14:13 Haasts wrote: GGU! Really nice to see good Trundle pillars in a poke comp in S3.
That pillar is doing WORK.
And then Jarvan ults trundle, and eats the trundle ult in return. I'm not trapped in here with you, you're trapped in here with me.
Ha, I could see Trundle sitting in someone's kitchen eating a tin of beans raw. Really nice to see a S3 poke comp with pre-nerf IBG Ezreal, Kha'Zix up top, and Trundle in the jungle - having Ezreal splitpushing/holding off Renekton until he'd farmed up that IBG worked fantastically.
random note, i love youtube streaming, the way they handle stream quality change, no stream reload, just seamlessly changes during several seconds after you change it <3 been impressed by utubestream everytime I use it.
On February 16 2013 17:44 JonGalt wrote: Can someone please explain the dyrus/dadrus interview/storyline?
And it really seems like the top 4 are going to have an easy time making it to mid-season and avoiding relegation series.
a month or two ago, dyrus went back to hawaii. streamed his dad playing lol; dadyrus became popular as fuck; cuz dat manly olaf beard. then, I guess riot wanted to create story line about how dyrus got into pro-gaming; so pretty much the interview is the typical "kid gets good enough to go pro; parents don't initially agree; parents accept it cuz dat money; happy ending"
doublelift story more sad imo, got kicked out of house by parents; still fairly estranged from family.
On February 16 2013 17:44 JonGalt wrote: Can someone please explain the dyrus/dadrus interview/storyline?
And it really seems like the top 4 are going to have an easy time making it to mid-season and avoiding relegation series.
a month or two ago, dyrus went back to hawaii. streamed his dad playing lol; dadyrus became popular as fuck; cuz dat manly olaf beard. then, I guess riot wanted to create story line about how dyrus got into pro-gaming; so pretty much the interview is the typical "kid gets good enough to go pro; parents don't initially agree; parents accept it cuz dat money; happy ending"
doublelift story more sad imo, got kicked out of house by parents; still fairly estranged from family.
On February 16 2013 17:44 JonGalt wrote: Can someone please explain the dyrus/dadrus interview/storyline?
And it really seems like the top 4 are going to have an easy time making it to mid-season and avoiding relegation series.
a month or two ago, dyrus went back to hawaii. streamed his dad playing lol; dadyrus became popular as fuck; cuz dat manly olaf beard. then, I guess riot wanted to create story line about how dyrus got into pro-gaming; so pretty much the interview is the typical "kid gets good enough to go pro; parents don't initially agree; parents accept it cuz dat money; happy ending"
doublelift story more sad imo, got kicked out of house by parents; still fairly estranged from family.
On February 16 2013 19:10 TwoToneTerran wrote: Damn. I hate seeing Curse succeeding.
CURSE OR DIE! Hue hue hue hue. They've already played against the troika, so there's no way for people to say "oh they only played against easy teams"
Not that, I just greatly dislike everyone on their team but Voyboy. They're clearly very good and much improved.
How could you not like Jackey? Srsly.
I dunno, calling people nigger and shouting in the most ear wretching voice kind of got old after awhile. Same reason I don't like Jiji, only Jackey's voice annoys me more.
I don't mind the engrish, I do mind the asshole. That said, this has made me dislike a LOT of the people in the pro scene, so I'm definitely very picky when it comes to who I root for. I don't absolutely hate jackey or anything, I just definitely dislike him after watching his stream a few times.
I don't mean to make this a CRS bash thread, it was mostly just an off the cuff comment about how the LCS is going. Sorry if I ruffled feathers.
On February 16 2013 19:10 TwoToneTerran wrote: Damn. I hate seeing Curse succeeding.
CURSE OR DIE! Hue hue hue hue. They've already played against the troika, so there's no way for people to say "oh they only played against easy teams"
Not that, I just greatly dislike everyone on their team but Voyboy. They're clearly very good and much improved.
How could you not like Jackey? Srsly.
I dunno, calling people nigger and shouting in the most ear wretching voice kind of got old after awhile. Same reason I don't like Jiji, only Jackey's voice annoys me more.
I don't mind the engrish, I do mind the asshole. That said, this has made me dislike a LOT of the people in the pro scene, so I'm definitely very picky when it comes to who I root for. I don't absolutely hate jackey or anything, I just definitely dislike him after watching his stream a few times.
I don't mean to make this a CRS bash thread, it was mostly just an off the cuff comment about how the LCS is going. Sorry if I ruffled feathers.
Its fine I asked after all :D I have always liked Saint and the best stream for me is Saint + Jackey duoing. Just too good. I personally haven't seen Jackey be an asshole (ofc Saint is one of the kings of this).
On February 16 2013 17:44 JonGalt wrote: Can someone please explain the dyrus/dadrus interview/storyline?
And it really seems like the top 4 are going to have an easy time making it to mid-season and avoiding relegation series.
a month or two ago, dyrus went back to hawaii. streamed his dad playing lol; dadyrus became popular as fuck; cuz dat manly olaf beard. then, I guess riot wanted to create story line about how dyrus got into pro-gaming; so pretty much the interview is the typical "kid gets good enough to go pro; parents don't initially agree; parents accept it cuz dat money; happy ending"
doublelift story more sad imo, got kicked out of house by parents; still fairly estranged from family.
Sounds like a typical, blue-collar American dad to me. His dad wasn't too supportive of him at first but if he's financially stable, there's not much he (dad) can say after that. iirc, his mom has always been supportive.
On February 16 2013 19:10 TwoToneTerran wrote: Damn. I hate seeing Curse succeeding.
CURSE OR DIE! Hue hue hue hue. They've already played against the troika, so there's no way for people to say "oh they only played against easy teams"
Not that, I just greatly dislike everyone on their team but Voyboy. They're clearly very good and much improved.
How could you not like Jackey? Srsly.
I dunno, calling people nigger and shouting in the most ear wretching voice kind of got old after awhile. Same reason I don't like Jiji, only Jackey's voice annoys me more.
I don't mind the engrish, I do mind the asshole. That said, this has made me dislike a LOT of the people in the pro scene, so I'm definitely very picky when it comes to who I root for. I don't absolutely hate jackey or anything, I just definitely dislike him after watching his stream a few times.
I don't mean to make this a CRS bash thread, it was mostly just an off the cuff comment about how the LCS is going. Sorry if I ruffled feathers.
I've never heard anyone on Curse say Nigger, though I don't watch cop or elementz. Hell, I've never even heard Rhux say nigger and he's black
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