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At any point of IEM Season 6 Championship, if you think of an interesting byline, please drop a sentence in the Pro Scene thread. At the end of the month, I'll catalogue the results of Hannover but also any interesting facts or events that happen over the course of the tournament. Thanks. Neo, 06.03.2012 |
AND WTF U GUYS. ITS MY ANALOGY. AND ROCKY WINS. FUUU DIRTY EUROS!
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Shen's definitely not a carry, but you have to get strong enough that you can bully around the enemy team. You have to be able to threaten a split-push effectively. TSM was just never strong. Irelia got irrecoverably behind and was just never able to do anything but die in team fights. TOO plays too timidly to really abuse Shen, imo.
Anyway, lol @ Curse losing to Ehome right now.
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On March 08 2012 01:46 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 01:43 TheKefka wrote:On March 08 2012 01:41 Ryuu314 wrote:On March 08 2012 01:40 TheKefka wrote:On March 08 2012 01:39 Ryuu314 wrote:
TSM needs to go back to what they're good with. They're picking shit that forces them into a style they don't play and it's showing. TRM needs to stop fuckgin picking irelia and play tryn, teemo, shit he can actually play. Regi needs to just tighten up his game; he's been playing very lackluster. TOO needs to stop picking carry junglers; I get that carry junglers are all the rage atm, but his style is completely unsuited for playing carry jungles and it's showing. I don't understand why he's not taking Maokai. Maokai was banned and shen IS a support jungler so idk. Didn't see the bans but I guess that makes sense. Shen is NOT a support jungler by any stretch of the imagination. Shen needs farm; lots of it. He's a carry/farm jungler. Shen is not a carry wat...Ok he needs farm but TOO was farming decently even out csing cassio(rofl wat?) You just sit in the jungle,farm and press R when you need too,so a farming support ashole that denys all ganks after he hits 6.But that can't save you from 3 man ganks so yea... Shen is most definitely a carry jungler. Maybe not a carry in the sense that Graves/Cassio are carries, but he's a carry in the sense that Irelia/Udyr are carries. Shen needs farm; lots of it. I've never thought that Shen jungle was very good seeing how his clear speed is pretty shitty and his ganks are so-so without farm.
NP, Shen jungle so fast that TOO outfarms both rainman and reginald with Aegis/giants belt/mercs/hog as items.
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United States121 Posts
On March 08 2012 01:45 Woony wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 01:44 Ryuu314 wrote:On March 08 2012 01:42 Slardar wrote:
I'm still shocked the stream hit over 120k+ viewers.......coming to the sudden realization what if LoL becomes the most popular eSport? Better than SC2? I don't know what to say here. by the numbers LoL has been more popular than SC2 for a long time buddy. And from the looks of it with the viewer numbers for The Defense, DotA2 will probably become more popular than SC2, as well. by the defense you mean that 1 million$ tournament? Man from what I've seen all the other dota2 tourneys dont get that much viewers edit oh you are talking about more popular than sc2. yeah, probably. chinese viewers too stronk.
Dota is HUGE in china. I would not be surprised to see it become #1.
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On March 08 2012 01:46 Woony wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 01:46 Two_DoWn wrote:On March 08 2012 01:45 Woony wrote:On March 08 2012 01:44 Ryuu314 wrote:On March 08 2012 01:42 Slardar wrote:
I'm still shocked the stream hit over 120k+ viewers.......coming to the sudden realization what if LoL becomes the most popular eSport? Better than SC2? I don't know what to say here. by the numbers LoL has been more popular than SC2 for a long time buddy. And from the looks of it with the viewer numbers for The Defense, DotA2 will probably become more popular than SC2, as well. by the defense you mean that 1 million$ tournament? Man from what I've seen all the other dota2 tourneys dont get that much viewers Defense was a Dota 2 tourney that wrapped up the other day. Dota 2 starting to pick up some steam in that regard. how many viewers did that get?
think it got around 35k for the finals
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On March 08 2012 01:46 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 01:43 TheKefka wrote:On March 08 2012 01:41 Ryuu314 wrote:On March 08 2012 01:40 TheKefka wrote:On March 08 2012 01:39 Ryuu314 wrote:
TSM needs to go back to what they're good with. They're picking shit that forces them into a style they don't play and it's showing. TRM needs to stop fuckgin picking irelia and play tryn, teemo, shit he can actually play. Regi needs to just tighten up his game; he's been playing very lackluster. TOO needs to stop picking carry junglers; I get that carry junglers are all the rage atm, but his style is completely unsuited for playing carry jungles and it's showing. I don't understand why he's not taking Maokai. Maokai was banned and shen IS a support jungler so idk. Didn't see the bans but I guess that makes sense. Shen is NOT a support jungler by any stretch of the imagination. Shen needs farm; lots of it. He's a carry/farm jungler. Shen is not a carry wat...Ok he needs farm but TOO was farming decently even out csing cassio(rofl wat?) You just sit in the jungle,farm and press R when you need too,so a farming support ashole that denys all ganks after he hits 6.But that can't save you from 3 man ganks so yea... Shen is most definitely a carry jungler. Maybe not a carry in the sense that Graves/Cassio are carries, but he's a carry in the sense that Irelia/Udyr are carries. Shen needs farm; lots of it. I've never thought that Shen jungle was very good seeing how his clear speed is pretty shitty and his ganks are so-so without farm.
I don't think you know what a carry is.
Shen needs farm to be able to hit a 4 man taunt and not give a fuck while being in the middle of a fight.
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On March 08 2012 01:42 Woony wrote:
does the crs - ehome game even matter in any way? I mean M5 is first, sk is second and crs is third either way?
It would be interesting to know if the 3rd will be decided by direct results (what would mean crs would be further anyway) or extra rounds. Because ehome basically just won
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And now Ehome won over curse. TSM had all the chances they could possibly have and still failed to advance.
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On March 08 2012 01:46 Woony wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 01:46 Two_DoWn wrote:On March 08 2012 01:45 Woony wrote:On March 08 2012 01:44 Ryuu314 wrote:On March 08 2012 01:42 Slardar wrote:
I'm still shocked the stream hit over 120k+ viewers.......coming to the sudden realization what if LoL becomes the most popular eSport? Better than SC2? I don't know what to say here. by the numbers LoL has been more popular than SC2 for a long time buddy. And from the looks of it with the viewer numbers for The Defense, DotA2 will probably become more popular than SC2, as well. by the defense you mean that 1 million$ tournament? Man from what I've seen all the other dota2 tourneys dont get that much viewers Defense was a Dota 2 tourney that wrapped up the other day. Dota 2 starting to pick up some steam in that regard. how many viewers did that get?
about 30k on english and 10k++ on russian i think.
Could have been more than that but the final was plagued with very bad lag issues. In the end the whole Best of 5 was stretched over 8 hours ( with pre-shows and stuff). Still entertaining stuff though.
But yea team games are just more popular i guess. That's the way it is with real sports as well. Dota 2 and LoL also do not suffer from the " I like to watch it but do not play it at all" symptom that plague SC2.
People actually still enjoy playing Dota 2 and LoL.
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On March 08 2012 01:42 Slardar wrote:
I'm still shocked the stream hit over 120k+ viewers.......coming to the sudden realization what if LoL becomes the most popular eSport? Better than SC2? I don't know what to say here.
Anybody and everybody that plays LOL gets a "watch this stream" front page after login if a Riot(or maybe just big) sponsored tournament is going on. It heightens the awareness of the competitive scene.
SC2 doesn't(I think? Haven't played SC2 in a while) do this. Also, because SC2 is such a Korea central sport everything is at really derp times for the US. Granted, this tournament starts shortly after 3am for me, but it also lasts for around 9 hours. GSL start times are a bit better but don't last as long.
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On March 08 2012 01:47 Craton wrote:
Shen's definitely not a carry, but you have to get strong enough that you can bully around the enemy team. You have to be able to threaten a split-push effectively. TSM was just never strong. Irelia got irrecoverably behind and was just never able to do anything but die in team fights. TOO plays too timidly to really abuse Shen, imo.
Anyway, lol @ Curse losing to Ehome right now.
Naw, new shen is most definitly a carry. Wits+Randuins as a core with more items on top of that and you are a BEAST damage and tank wise.
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United States261 Posts
On March 08 2012 01:46 Woony wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 01:46 Two_DoWn wrote:On March 08 2012 01:45 Woony wrote:On March 08 2012 01:44 Ryuu314 wrote:On March 08 2012 01:42 Slardar wrote:
I'm still shocked the stream hit over 120k+ viewers.......coming to the sudden realization what if LoL becomes the most popular eSport? Better than SC2? I don't know what to say here. by the numbers LoL has been more popular than SC2 for a long time buddy. And from the looks of it with the viewer numbers for The Defense, DotA2 will probably become more popular than SC2, as well. by the defense you mean that 1 million$ tournament? Man from what I've seen all the other dota2 tourneys dont get that much viewers Defense was a Dota 2 tourney that wrapped up the other day. Dota 2 starting to pick up some steam in that regard. how many viewers did that get?
30-35k for finals
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On March 08 2012 01:46 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 01:43 TheKefka wrote:On March 08 2012 01:41 Ryuu314 wrote:On March 08 2012 01:40 TheKefka wrote:On March 08 2012 01:39 Ryuu314 wrote:
TSM needs to go back to what they're good with. They're picking shit that forces them into a style they don't play and it's showing. TRM needs to stop fuckgin picking irelia and play tryn, teemo, shit he can actually play. Regi needs to just tighten up his game; he's been playing very lackluster. TOO needs to stop picking carry junglers; I get that carry junglers are all the rage atm, but his style is completely unsuited for playing carry jungles and it's showing. I don't understand why he's not taking Maokai. Maokai was banned and shen IS a support jungler so idk. Didn't see the bans but I guess that makes sense. Shen is NOT a support jungler by any stretch of the imagination. Shen needs farm; lots of it. He's a carry/farm jungler. Shen is not a carry wat...Ok he needs farm but TOO was farming decently even out csing cassio(rofl wat?) You just sit in the jungle,farm and press R when you need too,so a farming support ashole that denys all ganks after he hits 6.But that can't save you from 3 man ganks so yea... Shen is most definitely a carry jungler. Maybe not a carry in the sense that Graves/Cassio are carries, but he's a carry in the sense that Irelia/Udyr are carries. Shen needs farm; lots of it. I've never thought that Shen jungle was very good seeing how his clear speed is pretty shitty and his ganks are so-so without farm.
I don't know why people say the new Shen is not viable in jungle, yeah hes better up top. But with him as a jungler you have so much more options. His clear speed is not that bad. SV just showed that yesterday. He managed to out-farm a wriggle Shyvana by are large margin.
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On March 08 2012 01:48 TheKefka wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 01:46 Ryuu314 wrote:On March 08 2012 01:43 TheKefka wrote:On March 08 2012 01:41 Ryuu314 wrote:On March 08 2012 01:40 TheKefka wrote:On March 08 2012 01:39 Ryuu314 wrote:
TSM needs to go back to what they're good with. They're picking shit that forces them into a style they don't play and it's showing. TRM needs to stop fuckgin picking irelia and play tryn, teemo, shit he can actually play. Regi needs to just tighten up his game; he's been playing very lackluster. TOO needs to stop picking carry junglers; I get that carry junglers are all the rage atm, but his style is completely unsuited for playing carry jungles and it's showing. I don't understand why he's not taking Maokai. Maokai was banned and shen IS a support jungler so idk. Didn't see the bans but I guess that makes sense. Shen is NOT a support jungler by any stretch of the imagination. Shen needs farm; lots of it. He's a carry/farm jungler. Shen is not a carry wat...Ok he needs farm but TOO was farming decently even out csing cassio(rofl wat?) You just sit in the jungle,farm and press R when you need too,so a farming support ashole that denys all ganks after he hits 6.But that can't save you from 3 man ganks so yea... Shen is most definitely a carry jungler. Maybe not a carry in the sense that Graves/Cassio are carries, but he's a carry in the sense that Irelia/Udyr are carries. Shen needs farm; lots of it. I've never thought that Shen jungle was very good seeing how his clear speed is pretty shitty and his ganks are so-so without farm. I don't think you know what a carry is.
Carry is someone who carries your team to victory - Shen definitely does that but he needs farm in order to do it.
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On March 08 2012 01:47 Two_DoWn wrote:
AND WTF U GUYS. ITS MY ANALOGY. AND ROCKY WINS. FUUU DIRTY EUROS!
hähäh, it's our tournament, we are allowed.
Would be pretty narrative finals though.
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I have a feeling Crs is going to get rolled by CLG tomorrow.
SK vs. AAA should be fun though.
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On March 08 2012 01:48 TheKefka wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 01:46 Ryuu314 wrote:On March 08 2012 01:43 TheKefka wrote:On March 08 2012 01:41 Ryuu314 wrote:On March 08 2012 01:40 TheKefka wrote:On March 08 2012 01:39 Ryuu314 wrote:
TSM needs to go back to what they're good with. They're picking shit that forces them into a style they don't play and it's showing. TRM needs to stop fuckgin picking irelia and play tryn, teemo, shit he can actually play. Regi needs to just tighten up his game; he's been playing very lackluster. TOO needs to stop picking carry junglers; I get that carry junglers are all the rage atm, but his style is completely unsuited for playing carry jungles and it's showing. I don't understand why he's not taking Maokai. Maokai was banned and shen IS a support jungler so idk. Didn't see the bans but I guess that makes sense. Shen is NOT a support jungler by any stretch of the imagination. Shen needs farm; lots of it. He's a carry/farm jungler. Shen is not a carry wat...Ok he needs farm but TOO was farming decently even out csing cassio(rofl wat?) You just sit in the jungle,farm and press R when you need too,so a farming support ashole that denys all ganks after he hits 6.But that can't save you from 3 man ganks so yea... Shen is most definitely a carry jungler. Maybe not a carry in the sense that Graves/Cassio are carries, but he's a carry in the sense that Irelia/Udyr are carries. Shen needs farm; lots of it. I've never thought that Shen jungle was very good seeing how his clear speed is pretty shitty and his ganks are so-so without farm. I don't think you know what a carry is. Shen needs farm to be able to hit a 4 man taunt and not give a fuck while being in the middle of a fight.
do you know what a carry is?
a carry is someone who can drag their team to victory. shen most definitely can do that after the buffs.
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On March 08 2012 01:48 dtz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 01:46 Woony wrote:On March 08 2012 01:46 Two_DoWn wrote:On March 08 2012 01:45 Woony wrote:On March 08 2012 01:44 Ryuu314 wrote:On March 08 2012 01:42 Slardar wrote:
I'm still shocked the stream hit over 120k+ viewers.......coming to the sudden realization what if LoL becomes the most popular eSport? Better than SC2? I don't know what to say here. by the numbers LoL has been more popular than SC2 for a long time buddy. And from the looks of it with the viewer numbers for The Defense, DotA2 will probably become more popular than SC2, as well. by the defense you mean that 1 million$ tournament? Man from what I've seen all the other dota2 tourneys dont get that much viewers Defense was a Dota 2 tourney that wrapped up the other day. Dota 2 starting to pick up some steam in that regard. how many viewers did that get? about 30k on english and 10k++ on russian i think. Could have been more than that but the final was plagued with very bad lag issues. In the end the whole Best of 5 was stretched over 8 hours ( with pre-shows and stuff). Still entertaining stuff though. But yea team games are just more popular i guess. That's the way it is with real sports as well. Dota 2 and LoL also do not suffer from the " I like to watch it but do not play it at all" People actually still enjoy playing Dota 2 and LoL.
yeah. most people quit playing starcraft after the huge boom at releas settled down.
and as much as starcraft people like to claim otherwise, in the west the Esports viewerbase still is like 90% people that actually play (or played) the game
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And ya, Tobi Wan, the guy who does all the dota 2 commentating is just AWESOME. So much better than any lol commentators, and I would actually give him the edge over a LOT of the SC2 guys as well.
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On March 08 2012 01:48 qanik wrote:
And now Ehome won over curse. TSM had all the chances they could possibly have and still failed to advance.
A team that has a member that make mistakes often and doesn't admit it will never go far. I mean Reginal was good but other AP carries surpass him now. He needs to accept that hes bad and try to improve.
I often watch his stream and he brought stupid mistake in solo-que to a tournament stage O_O.
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