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Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
December 10 2011 03:34 GMT
#921
On December 10 2011 12:30 TheYango wrote:
CN/SEA just need time. No major ex-DotA players/teams have swapped over (though there are mentions that 357 and X!! on nirvana.cn play LoL in their spare time), and Western LoL has had a massive head start as far as learning the game.

We'd probably see a lot less Korean dominance in SC2 as well if no notable SC1 players made the switch, and if the NA/EU release of the game had a 1-2 year head start.

Also in SC2, a big difference between Korean SC2 and Western SC2 is the practice habits. In LoL, practice habits are more or less the same across regions and if anything NA LoL has stepped up their practice regime with constant scrims and such.
Ryrk
Profile Joined May 2011
United States82 Posts
December 10 2011 03:35 GMT
#922
On December 10 2011 12:30 TheYango wrote:
CN/SEA just need time. No major ex-DotA players/teams have swapped over (though there are mentions that 357 and X!! on nirvana.cn play LoL in their spare time), and Western LoL has had a massive head start as far as learning the game.

We'd probably see a lot less Korean dominance in SC2 as well if no notable SC1 players made the switch, and if the NA/EU release of the game had a 1-2 year head start.


XXF played for Malaysia.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
December 10 2011 03:45 GMT
#923
On December 10 2011 12:34 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 12:30 TheYango wrote:
CN/SEA just need time. No major ex-DotA players/teams have swapped over (though there are mentions that 357 and X!! on nirvana.cn play LoL in their spare time), and Western LoL has had a massive head start as far as learning the game.

We'd probably see a lot less Korean dominance in SC2 as well if no notable SC1 players made the switch, and if the NA/EU release of the game had a 1-2 year head start.

Also in SC2, a big difference between Korean SC2 and Western SC2 is the practice habits. In LoL, practice habits are more or less the same across regions and if anything NA LoL has stepped up their practice regime with constant scrims and such.

I don't think we have enough knowledge of Chinese LoL to say whether their practice habits are better or worse.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
December 10 2011 03:46 GMT
#924
Well, that's kinda what I'm saying. People were giving iG so much credit but they underwhelmingly went 0-2. Just because CN is heads and shoulders above the international community in DotA doesn't mean par in LoL.

I'll admit I expected closer games (iG vs CA CLG) but just shows that NA is still vastly ahead and the other servers have a lot of catching up to do.
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Pinith
Profile Joined September 2010
651 Posts
December 10 2011 03:54 GMT
#925
One of the teams iG beat yesterday was Dignitas,
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
December 10 2011 03:54 GMT
#926
On December 10 2011 12:46 NeoIllusions wrote:
Well, that's kinda what I'm saying. People were giving iG so much credit but they underwhelmingly went 0-2. Just because CN is heads and shoulders above the international community in DotA doesn't mean par in LoL.

I'll admit I expected closer games (iG vs CA CLG) but just shows that NA is still vastly ahead and the other servers have a lot of catching up to do.

I think you might be inferring too much from just one set. Bear in mind this is the same team that 3-0ed their group yesterday with a win against Dignitas. Also note that WE beat CLG at IEM Guangzhou and iG had to beat them to get here.

The skill levels between the top teams in each region is fairly close, IMO. Not enough that you can distinctively say that one region is leading or trailing by a huge margin.
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Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
December 10 2011 03:55 GMT
#927
On December 10 2011 12:45 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 12:34 Ryuu314 wrote:
On December 10 2011 12:30 TheYango wrote:
CN/SEA just need time. No major ex-DotA players/teams have swapped over (though there are mentions that 357 and X!! on nirvana.cn play LoL in their spare time), and Western LoL has had a massive head start as far as learning the game.

We'd probably see a lot less Korean dominance in SC2 as well if no notable SC1 players made the switch, and if the NA/EU release of the game had a 1-2 year head start.

Also in SC2, a big difference between Korean SC2 and Western SC2 is the practice habits. In LoL, practice habits are more or less the same across regions and if anything NA LoL has stepped up their practice regime with constant scrims and such.

I don't think we have enough knowledge of Chinese LoL to say whether their practice habits are better or worse.

Yea, I'm just addressing the comparison to SC2. Practice habits play a big role in the Korea v. Foreigner skill level in SC2. Not necessarily so in LoL.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 03:58:52
December 10 2011 03:58 GMT
#928
I think the only thing this WCG is proving is that when american server teams can reduce the game to solo q style, they will win.

Well, CDE and CLG at least. Dig is a step behind when it comes to single player strength.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Pinith
Profile Joined September 2010
651 Posts
December 10 2011 04:02 GMT
#929
On December 10 2011 12:58 Two_DoWn wrote:
I think the only thing this WCG is proving is that when american server teams can reduce the game to solo q style, they will win.

Well, CDE and CLG at least. Dig is a step behind when it comes to single player strength.


The poke comp CLG used in game 1 was hardly solo queue style...
Feartheguru
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1334 Posts
December 10 2011 04:02 GMT
#930
Can someone link the stream. Thanks
Don't sweat the petty stuff, don't pet the sweaty stuff.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
December 10 2011 04:03 GMT
#931
On December 10 2011 13:02 Pinith wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 12:58 Two_DoWn wrote:
I think the only thing this WCG is proving is that when american server teams can reduce the game to solo q style, they will win.

Well, CDE and CLG at least. Dig is a step behind when it comes to single player strength.


The poke comp CLG used in game 1 was hardly solo queue style...

You're talking about a strategy Hotshot used to reach #1 in the solo q ladder.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17294 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 04:11:17
December 10 2011 04:09 GMT
#932
[image loading]

Poland v CLG live
twitch.tv/cratonz
TieN.nS)
Profile Joined August 2003
United States2131 Posts
December 10 2011 04:11 GMT
#933
Started early~ http://solomid.net/livestream.php?s=717
jtrex
Profile Joined January 2011
Japan94 Posts
December 10 2011 04:13 GMT
#934
Hope semis are bo3.
RetZ
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia67 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 04:16:51
December 10 2011 04:16 GMT
#935
Bans:
Gameburg: Nidalee, Graves, Kassadin
CLG: Udyr, Xerath, Morgana

Picks:
Gameburg: Karthus, Alistar+Tristana, Nasus+Nunu
CLG: Soraka+Vayne, Gangplank+Twisted Fate, Olaf
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 04:20:37
December 10 2011 04:17 GMT
#936
OH SNAP, it's my support nunu (but I run heal). He's even using him with the correct AD.

edit: and I hope they lose so people think it's a troll pick and sucks. I'm 8-1 so far.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
December 10 2011 04:20 GMT
#937
League of legends is supposed to be on AFTER the wc3 grand finals. I hate you wcg.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 04:21:08
December 10 2011 04:20 GMT
#938
Poland vs. Canada? So EDG already lost as well?
TieN.nS)
Profile Joined August 2003
United States2131 Posts
December 10 2011 04:23 GMT
#939
On December 10 2011 13:20 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
League of legends is supposed to be on AFTER the wc3 grand finals. I hate you wcg.


That's probably why only game 1 of this series is being played off-stage and the rest on main/second stage. Would you rather it just not be streamed?
HeroHenry
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1723 Posts
December 10 2011 04:28 GMT
#940
Does anyone know if anyone is casting the current CA game?
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