the only coordination that I saw working was when we went all mid (cayt, herm with smith, etc) + nasus (or was it olaf) top when played vs 5 other random ppl (was was queuing).

That was fun.

lilwisper

United States2515 Posts

May 22 2013 17:03 GMT

#1102

On May 22 2013 12:55 necrosed wrote:
I'm requesting some studies in Low Economy Games. I'm implementing low-econ strategies here in Brazil, but the amount of practice we get with them is low. I need more conclusions from it.So far we've been dominating the scene with it, but I want to know when people struggle with it.
The basic idea is: Pressure a lot early. Swap lanes in the beggining if you're on red side or against a tough laning situation (say, Kassadin vs a mage). Your jungler must be really strong early game and good at dueling (Lee Sin is probably the best).
After the first tower falls, your team starts moving as two cells: Top + Jungler and Mid+Bot. Generally, you have strong disengages so you can slowly damage towers.
Support don't build any GP/5. You go straight to Sightstone + Oracle's. You starve the enemy team from their jungle gold by invading and dominating map vision.
A sample composition would be: Top Jayce, Jungle Lee Sin, mid Nidalee, bot Caitlyn + Janna.
I want your thoughts and experiments in this.

This may not be able to go perfect in testing labs, as it requires a senior team coordination skills, so lets start at least with an open debate about this.
I'm concerned that global strategies are a direct counter to this, but I want to know other weaknesses and strengths. By leaving your thoughts below you are helping BR e-Sports! :D

I am wondering how well an Ashe with Clairvoyance might do in this strat. With her Hawkshot and Clair, the enemy jungle could be lit up at a fairly constant rate and this might allow the support to go with something other than sightstone that might be more team beneficial.

Seuss

United States10536 Posts

May 22 2013 18:10 GMT

#1103

CV is pretty useless because ideally you're applying so much pressure the jungler can't even afford to jungle. Ashe is a problematic choice because she doesn't have very good pushing/sieging power early, and early is when you need everything.

It's really not a coincidence that VES picked both Ezreal and Varus when they did this. Both have decent steroids in their passives and Ezreal even has an attack speed buff. When it comes to taking down a tower fast you can't beat that.

Ketara

United States15065 Posts

May 23 2013 05:14 GMT

#1104

I think Tristana is also a good option for this strat. Great tower pushing with her steroid, long range and huge disengage, and also gives you a late game hypercarry you can fall back on.

Not too sure how her laning is with Janna though.

We need to bring back Annie bot lanes. I'm convinced they're amazing.

ZigguratOfUr

Iraq16955 Posts

May 23 2013 05:37 GMT

#1105

On May 21 2013 13:31 rwrzr wrote:
Can you pick up a creep as syndra and thresh lantern away? Im thinking one of the buffs.

Yes you can. And once you've dropped it, the buff will slowly walk back regenerating health all the way. You could invade and steal the enemy blue with that.

Seuss

United States10536 Posts

May 23 2013 16:34 GMT

#1106

On May 23 2013 14:14 Ketara wrote:
I think Tristana is also a good option for this strat. Great tower pushing with her steroid, long range and huge disengage, and also gives you a late game hypercarry you can fall back on.

Not too sure how her laning is with Janna though.

We need to bring back Annie bot lanes. I'm convinced they're amazing.

I don't like Tristana for this strategy because all those advantages don't come into play fast enough. Eventually Tristana can mow down towers from orbit, but this strategy needs 100% pressure from the getgo. In the game I mentioned before Nientonsoh had Lulu support for his Tristana and maxed his Q first for tower pushing, but despite that simply couldn't push as fast as VES. I'd much rather have Caitlyn, Corki, or another carry with strong wave clear if Varus/Ezreal aren't available.

Ketara

United States15065 Posts

May 24 2013 21:46 GMT

#1107

So are we doing something today Monte?

Seuss

United States10536 Posts

May 24 2013 22:34 GMT

#1108

Apologies, nothing official happening today. Between Allstars and a 6 AM flight tomorrow things slipped away from me.

Misder

United States1557 Posts

May 26 2013 06:15 GMT

#1109

Jungle Gragas being played in Allstars Grand Finals. Guess it's legit.

arb

Noobville17922 Posts

May 26 2013 07:04 GMT

#1110

On May 26 2013 15:15 Misder wrote:
Jungle Gragas being played in Allstars Grand Finals. Guess it's legit.

I think Korea just outclassed China pretty hard in all respects tbh

Duvon

Sweden2360 Posts

May 26 2013 09:21 GMT

#1111

On May 26 2013 16:04 arb wrote:

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I think Korea just outclassed China pretty hard in all respects tbh

Careful with spoilers please!

Jek

Denmark2771 Posts

May 26 2013 10:24 GMT

#1112

On May 26 2013 15:15 Misder wrote:
Jungle Gragas being played in Allstars Grand Finals. Guess it's legit.

Does this mean my team wont yell at me in champion select when I pick Gragas for jungling now?

Is this where I put in those fancy hashtag hipster and such phrases?

BlackPaladin

United States9316 Posts

May 26 2013 16:04 GMT

#1113

No, now you'll be called a wannabe and copycat and told that "just because the pros did it doesn't mean you can" by some. Others will accept it and begin doing it cause the pros did it because "if the pros did it then it must be good."

Seuss

United States10536 Posts

May 31 2013 21:00 GMT

#1114

FYI I will not be able to consistently organize TROLLS tests for the foreseeable future. The next few Fridays are going to be swallowed up by moving, family reunions and the like, and I'm not likely to get less busy as summer arrives.

As such, I advise that the board of directors meet and appoint a new Chairman. I will still try to be involved, I just can't consistently be the organizer for this anymore.

zer0das

United States8519 Posts

May 31 2013 21:51 GMT

#1115

Jungle Gragas is really frakking hard. I play mid Gragas pretty competently, and I feel like using him in the jungle is a whole new ballgame. The margin for error is slim. I think you need a pretty specific team comp for it to be effective too (or worthwhile at least).

I still don't know how Insec made it look so easy.

Wolfstan

Canada605 Posts

May 31 2013 22:37 GMT

#1116

How about testing the best proxy singed teamcomps? as well as the best way to counter.

Chexx

Korea (South)11232 Posts

June 03 2013 15:39 GMT

#1117

do you write down your results somewhere?

Seuss

United States10536 Posts

June 03 2013 21:12 GMT

#1118

We mostly just post our post-testing thoughts here and discuss them. There's no index thereof, though it's been requested in the past.

Ketara

United States15065 Posts

June 07 2013 15:08 GMT

#1119

I had two ranked games recently where we had a Nunu jungle do a 2 man baron before 20 mins. One of them it was Nunu and me on Renekton top, he came up at 16-17 minutes like he was ganking top, we forced the enemy top laner to back, and then we just went and killed baron. He tanked it with just a spirit of the spectral wraith.

Seuss

United States10536 Posts

June 07 2013 17:10 GMT

#1120

LET THERE BE TROLLS.

I may not be able to make exactly 22:00 GMT (+00:00) as usual, but I should be able to organize things tonight. We still really need someone else for that role, however, as I definitely won't be able to run this for the next couple of weeks.