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evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8649 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-05-23 07:48:51
May 23 2023 07:44 GMT
#41
in general or this msi?
this msi against lck teams i would say the lck teams just got diffed in both drafts and gameplay. a bit of an anomaly tbh since both seeds underperformed.
in general in the lpl i would disagree. the nature of pro level league is that you just end up with lanes that dont have priority. its inevitable. the difference between lck and lpl to some extent would be that in most lck games, if you have no priority, you either get rolled in a very 1 sided game or you try to minimise your losses until you scale and try and go late game.
in lpl, youre more likely to find teams that force less than ideal engagements and win them based on pure skill in order to flip any advantages/disadvantages the drafts inherently give to teams. a much more riskier approach that when used against a team that not only has prio but also has good fighting/decision making ability, basically means youve just thrown the game with 1 engagement and you have even less chances of coming back than if you had just taken the lck approach and done nothing.
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium4764 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-05-23 08:41:56
May 23 2023 08:40 GMT
#42
Generally.
Chinese don't mind opting into suboptimal plays because skillchecking opponents is part of their mentality. They'll throw anything and everything at you at any momemt and an inkling of hesitation loses you the game.
I don't know if the LCK can keep up with this way of playing the game. They're either more risk averse or have inferior teamfighting, at the moment at least.
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DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
May 23 2023 22:03 GMT
#43
On May 23 2023 17:40 Uldridge wrote:
Generally.
Chinese don't mind opting into suboptimal plays because skillchecking opponents is part of their mentality. They'll throw anything and everything at you at any momemt and an inkling of hesitation loses you the game.
I don't know if the LCK can keep up with this way of playing the game. They're either more risk averse or have inferior teamfighting, at the moment at least.

I don't think this is how JDG and EDG play though. Even BLG is a bit more reserved, all the batshit skillchecking teams are mid tier LPL these days at most. The top LPL teams are decisive team fighters and it showed at MSI. They will obviously punish you if you make mechanical errors, but that's not really the case vs T1 (outside of that Zeus int at the turret...)

T1 had awful drafts (I don't think Naut is a Faker champ and T1 doesn't understand it either, handshaking Aphelios Jinx is so weird), and then we saw Faker's biggest flaw, which is that he feels compelled to make risky plays when behind or late game. It's been my biggest gripe with him over the last few years, it was less visible because T1 dominated LCK but it JDG are just a different calibre.
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Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium4764 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-05-24 11:10:20
May 24 2023 11:09 GMT
#44
I'm sorry, I should have thought that out more and expressed myself a bit better.
Yes, they're not constantly in your face (even they have no problem with a >1 kill/minute game), but they will instantly pounce where others would hesitate and either not go through with it or pull the trigger too late.
I've never seen this kind of coordination in a team the way JDG displays it at the moment. They flow so well together it's insane.
I think there were numerous tower dives pre lvl 3 where it was 3v2, I think that's nuts. I don't think that's a very safe way to do things because it's such a volatile situation, but it seems like they have gotten the turret aggro juggle down to perfection and it makes them able to do things like that. Maybe it's not a risk in their minds because they've accounted for the possibilities and narrowed the set of possible (counter)actions from the enemy.

Faker on Nautilus and his desperation to make plays was very, very apparent.
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