yeah its worked too well against lesser teams that its baited t1 into thinking it works against good teams too. the champ is too 1 dimensional to be played as a mid against the top teams imo

DarkCore

Germany4194 Posts

May 18 2023 16:04 GMT

#24

The difference between Knight and Nisqy's Annie is knight and day (kekw). Imo today T1's macro was a tad better, and JDG's teamfighting was superior. So when the game was even, T1 felt compelled to force fights when they had no business to do so, and then Ruler rolled them.

Holy fck was the JDG peel for Ruler beyond insane. Never seen such synergy, casters so right when they called it a 'hive mind'.

evilfatsh1t

Australia8649 Posts

May 20 2023 12:43 GMT

#25

man t1s drafts are so dogshit.

DarkCore

Germany4194 Posts

May 20 2023 14:44 GMT

#26

On May 20 2023 21:43 evilfatsh1t wrote:
man t1s drafts are so dogshit.

BLG destroying all the Koreans so JDG gets free MSI win, good guy Yagao doing his best for Knight.

evilfatsh1t

Australia8649 Posts

May 20 2023 14:51 GMT

#27

yeah huge underperformance by geng and t1 all of a sudden.
lpl definitely seem to come out with better drafts in international tournaments though. at least in the case for all of t1's recent international bo5s, they handicap themselves all the time with drafts that leave them on the back foot.

Uldridge

Belgium4763 Posts

May 20 2023 16:03 GMT

#28

I think they're a bit burnt out.

Uldridge

Belgium4763 Posts

May 21 2023 10:43 GMT

#29

By the way, I think Ruler is rapidly making a case to become the GOAT.

evilfatsh1t

Australia8649 Posts

May 21 2023 11:12 GMT

#30

goat ad maybe but you must be joking if youre comparing him to faker

Uldridge

Belgium4763 Posts

May 21 2023 11:38 GMT

#31

And why would it be a joke? If Ruler wins MSI and this year's worlds I'd say he's at least on par with Faker, if not already exceeding him.

evilfatsh1t

Australia8649 Posts

May 21 2023 12:17 GMT

#32

a simple comparison of number of titles alone puts ruler way behind faker even in a scenario where ruler wins both msi and worlds this year. once you factor in other things like skill gap, impact on the pro scene, longevity and any other intangible point, no one comes close to taking fakers goat crown. no one ever will tbh

Uldridge

Belgium4763 Posts

May 21 2023 12:26 GMT

#33

I think you always have to look at it in context instead of looking at end results.
Faker busted on the scene in S3 and just won everyone's hearts over. He was very dominant.
Ruler busted on the scene S5 I want to say. So they're 2 season apart. I don't know how long Faker will keep on playing to be honest. I hope he finds a way to another World's title to cement him a bit more, but I don't know if he'll be able to.
Meanwhile, Ruler is only picking up more steam. While JDG his Ruler as a center piece, his game has been flawless for around a year now, in LCK and LPL.
Ruler's gameplay now is like watching Faker season 3. It's that extraordinary to me.

Edit: sorry if this sounds kind of all over the place, don't really feel like going point by point and typing a wall of text at the moment.

cLutZ

United States19574 Posts

May 22 2023 05:16 GMT

#34

T1, IMO has a Zeus conundrum. He's like the best toplaner in the world, but not when it's actually required. He's the best at crushing mid players, and sometimes is fucking brilliant against elite players. But mostly he's generally anti-clutch.

This means that faker being still probably the best supportive midlaner in the world needs a greedy carry as his teammate. Which Zeus is, until the competition gets elite.

evilfatsh1t

Australia8649 Posts

May 22 2023 09:47 GMT

#35

its not just zeus imo. i think t1 struggles against teams that are able to go even against them in the early game because they often draft comps that prioritise early game pressure and snowball. then they find that theyre not as ahead as they should be and they start to panic because their team comps just dont scale as well.

its happened in almost every game they lost this tournament, they simply dont have the better late game draft. its probably intentional on their part because they intend on snowballing but its also sheer arrogance. multiple bo5 performances now where they draft inferior scaling comps because of their confidence that they can get the early game lead they need, only to be met with teams that dont succumb to their pressure as well as the lower level teams. in all 4 games against blg t1 had the worse late game bot duo in a meta which is heavily adc centric.

its t1's obsession with early game priority that is their biggest strength and weakness. no flexibility during a match to switch up their draft style when its clearly not working out well for them is the cherry on top. i think this part of the blame should fall onto bengi though. he should take a page out of kkoma's book who was generally more brave and adaptable.

Uldridge

Belgium4763 Posts

May 22 2023 19:25 GMT

#36

Zeus for sure has a mental block.
But it might be more than Zeus at this point. Losing consecutive finals will start messing with your head.

@evil
Why do you think T1 has this bias towards early game comps? Guma can play Jinx/Aphelios/Xayah fine, Zeus is also a decent Gwen/Fiora player, so I don't see why they couldn't skew more lategame.

evilfatsh1t

Australia8649 Posts

May 23 2023 00:16 GMT

#37

its not that theyre incapable of playing scaling comps, its that they would die on a hill for lanes with priority and usually that means they end up with comps that scale worse than the opponent. thats the frustrating part

in some games they could just give up prio and accept that they wont be in control (have priority) and play good scaling teamfight comps and theyd probably win anyway because the team is obviously insanely good. but theyve repeatedly shown now that theyd rather handicap themselves draft wise for the opportunity to have prio.

cLutZ

United States19574 Posts

May 23 2023 02:14 GMT

#38

I think it is interconnected. Theoretically T1 could play something like Gwen-Viego-Galio-Lulu-Jinx, and they would stomp like KT. But then in LDG series they would all the sudden inexplicably with a 0-5 Gwen.

evilfatsh1t

Australia8649 Posts

May 23 2023 03:26 GMT

#39

yeah theres no correct answer really and it just comes down to execution in the end. i totally get the benefit of being in the drivers seat during the game as opposed to having to be reactionary for large parts of it, its just frustrating that when its clear that their strategy isnt working they will not change their approach

Uldridge

Belgium4763 Posts

May 23 2023 06:30 GMT

#40

I don't ever feel like Chinese teams are playing reactionary though