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cLutZ
United States19427 Posts
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Yorbon
Netherlands4268 Posts
Came here after G2 vs GenG. Please don't tell me that+ Show Spoiler + this G2 is the best the west has to offer. | ||
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DarkCore
Germany4190 Posts
On May 10 2023 04:53 Yorbon wrote: Lol. Came here after G2 vs GenG. Please don't tell me that+ Show Spoiler + this G2 is the best the west has to offer. Honestly, it's the very top LPL and LCK teams that are just lightyears ahead of everyone, not just the West. GenG and T1 made mincemeat out of everyone except KT, JDG is a superteam that has been years in the making. I want to see how BLG performs against them, right now it's looking like a regional rematch though. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium4127 Posts
They misplayed the baron sequence horribly in game 4, but were in a pretty even situation before that, with a comp that wasn't necessarily outscaled. | ||
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Yorbon
Netherlands4268 Posts
@Uldridge: Not necessarily disagreeing, but I think Gen-G had shown that they were just a better team(-fighting team) in games 1 and 2 (and frankly should have played game 3 way better), so the outcome wasn't particularly surprising, even given a roughly equal position in game 4. T1 today was bizarre. + Show Spoiler + 6k down at 13 minutes game one into one of the fastest international BO5s ever with around 80 minutes. Just disgusting. lol https://twitter.com/Nisqy/status/1655211432122675201?s=20 | ||
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DarkCore
Germany4190 Posts
That game 1 was probably one of the biggest letdowns in history. Rest of the series was T1 having a better read on the meta and their opponents, one sided slaughter. Now onto the CN bracket side, let us see how hard they clown on NA | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8327 Posts
the entire culture around professional gaming in the west needs a shake up. players need to accept that its a cutthroat job and apply themselves to that life accordingly, instead of thinking they are still entitled to the luxury of only having to play the game to the point where its enjoyable and no more. i saw a vid on youtube of doublelift and someone else talking about how he could never bring himself to play over 10-12 hours of lol a day. this guy is a high paid professional player that is quite obviously way behind the benchmark and he cannot motivate himself to grind games when its literally his job, but he speaks with no shame about the fact that wont push himself. its crazy how this mentality is just accepted as the norm in na/eu and somehow people wonder why the west is being left in the dust | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium4127 Posts
The West has an inefficient way of talent development and coaching. It's why C9 os consistently one of the best performing Western teams, because they do know how to get it done. Sure, the players are entitled, but if you're mentaly drained after 8 hours, why go for 10-12? Makes no sense to me. Efficient work is always better then churning it out. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8327 Posts
the quality of time spent practicing in the east is undoubtedly better. from the wests' perspective i would imagine then that the only way you could possibly keep up is at least put in the same amount of hours, though realistically you should be putting in more. if youre lacking in quality and you wont even put in the quantity then what solution is there? i dont think coaching etc can be used as an excuse when players and coaches have been heavily imported too. its a cultural problem that encompasses the entire scene, rather than an issue of lack of knowledge or expertise on how to be successful. to me there seems to be a fundamental lack of effort in the west. a lack of desperation to be the best. if i had a shit champion pool but i was desperate to compete with the best, id imagine that the only way to keep up would be to put in the extra hours to play the champions im shit at regardless of whether im exhausted or not. i remember a comment nuguri made about practicing against na players. he said it was impossible to practice matchups and determine how to play matchups or which matchup was favourable because na players would always lose both sides of the matchup. if i was a pro and my competition was making comments about my fundamentals being so bad that i wasnt even worthy of being practice to them, id be ashamed. | ||
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Yorbon
Netherlands4268 Posts
Edit: interesting perspective one this topic: | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8327 Posts
east/west score ended up 12-1. yikes. i dare say none of the west teams would win in lck challengers by the looks of it. maybe with the exception of g2 every other team looks absolutely clueless after 14 mins. | ||
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mintyminmus
Australia91 Posts
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DarkCore
Germany4190 Posts
G2: BB is washed, Yike is rookie MAD: Nisqy is washed, Chasy is rookie BDS: I hate Adam, Sheo is rookie VIT: True i dare say none of the west teams would win in lck challengers by the looks of it That's an exaggeration, the gap between top LPL and LCK teams and their midtable counterparts is pretty massive this year. G2 would probably be a mid tier LCK team who would be scrapping with LSB and HLE while losing to DK and above. BRO, DRX, NS all have like one good thing about them and then endless flaws. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8327 Posts
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DarkCore
Germany4190 Posts
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Uldridge
Belgium4127 Posts
In all seriousness, Caps needs to step up a bit. It seems that last few international competitions are still spooking around his head or something. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium4127 Posts
Seems they keep being baited by the item... | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8327 Posts
asian teams are insane at positioning and targeting in fights so that their ad is always at max range to attack but still behind their teammates for peel. western teams seem to tunnel a lot more in fights and the ads often find that they have to peel themselves, which probably leads to ads wanting to buy stopwatches for the security. one key example in game 1 was how bb and caps left hans alone to go after elk in the dragon pit. if bb and caps didnt force their ult combo and focused on protecting jinx then they would have traded blitz for sylas ksante and they could do something further with that trade. instead they left jinx completely alone to force their combo and that didnt even end up working out for them. teams like t1/jdg would not have made this mistake. theyd prioritise keeping their ad safe and rather not use their ult combos despite the temptation | ||
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DarkCore
Germany4190 Posts
On May 16 2023 20:07 Uldridge wrote: G2 CAN DO THIS. BLG IS OVERHYPED. LET'S GO. In all seriousness, Caps needs to step up a bit. It seems that last few international competitions are still spooking around his head or something. Think we all gotta stop huffing the copium, this was the best shot of winning a series and G2 threw way too much. Caps has looked incredibly boosted this entire tournament, really sad to watch. Hans had poor positioning as well. Yike and BB stepped up but it was enough, and teamfighting is just poor amongst Western teams. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium4127 Posts
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