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AdsMoFro
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan4761 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-16 01:11:07
January 15 2021 10:22 GMT
#1
The off-season is finally over!

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AdsMoFro
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan4761 Posts
January 15 2021 10:25 GMT
#2


Late thread my bad. Edward (of M5/Gambit and later UoL infamy) has now retired. Seems like this off-season really was the end of an era.
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cheyennevalley
Profile Joined January 2021
United States1 Post
January 30 2021 15:09 GMT
#3
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chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-31 01:54:05
March 31 2021 01:53 GMT
#4
MSI groups are out Seems insane that the LCL's reward for being the only wild card (or whatever the fuck PCS is, you know what I mean) to get a team into groups at worlds is to get VCS and LPL in their MSI group. I don't know what I expected or how they could have fixed this but I'm disappointed how they put VCS in a higher tier despite them not being at worlds at all.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 23 2021 20:07 GMT
#5
Bo received a 4 month ban from the LPL,Teeen received a 4 month ban from the LPL, and bless received a 1 year ban from the LPL, Sheng Jie Gaming been removed from the LDL following the match fixing investigation by the LPL.
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evagalanina1984
Profile Joined April 2021
1 Post
April 26 2021 10:48 GMT
#6
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
April 26 2021 14:27 GMT
#7
Rumors that TSM is going to buy out Upset from Fnatic if PoE's green card gets approved in time.

Yeah, another Upset to TSM rumor. I've heard this one before.
AdsMoFro
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan4761 Posts
April 29 2021 07:57 GMT
#8
On April 26 2021 23:27 Gahlo wrote:
Rumors that TSM is going to buy out Upset from Fnatic if PoE's green card gets approved in time.

Yeah, another Upset to TSM rumor. I've heard this one before.


So uh...LCS just gonna turn into a green card competition?
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DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
April 29 2021 09:00 GMT
#9
Would be sad, I want to see Upset succeed. But Fnatic is falling apart, Bwipo said on stream that he is considering leaving once his contract is over (if you trust his words), who knows if Nisqy will stay as well. Selfmade and Hyli are not in form. The top LEC teams aren't really looking for an upgrade in the ADC role, so TSM isn't actually a bad choice.
Fixed a bug where LeBlanc could lose
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
April 29 2021 11:51 GMT
#10
On April 29 2021 16:57 AdsMoFro wrote:
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On April 26 2021 23:27 Gahlo wrote:
Rumors that TSM is going to buy out Upset from Fnatic if PoE's green card gets approved in time.

Yeah, another Upset to TSM rumor. I've heard this one before.


So uh...LCS just gonna turn into a green card competition?

Nothing really changed. Teams have been shedding mediocre, overpriced NA players that they had to drag along due to league rules for years. Only difference now is the turnover rate is predicated on greencard/citizenship and not time played.

Not that Lost *really* counts, since he's from OCE and is only exempt because that League shuttered.
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-04-29 12:19:41
April 29 2021 12:16 GMT
#11
I don't blame Bwipo at all. From what I've read he was saying that if he's not in form its not worth the downsides of being on Fnatic, aka the expectation that you make the finals every single split. Which I completely understand. If he knows he's not in form why get shit on on top of it? Like imagine if he was Misfit's toplaner right now, would anyone care about how he's playing? Probably not, and certainly not to the same degree people shit on him now.

But yeah Fnatic is absolutely dead. Maybe they convince one of the 5 to stay and build a team around them. 100% Upset goes to NA next year
DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
April 29 2021 15:07 GMT
#12
The videos linked in that article do heavily imply that Upset thinks NA is an inferior region, otherwise he would go where the money is. From a personal finance view, NA is obviously the better choice, but hindsight is 20/20: he went from a dumpster fire OG lineup to a Fnatic roster than clinched 2nd EU seed and gave TES a tough time, if he wanted to be on a competitive roster there wasn't a better choice.
Fixed a bug where LeBlanc could lose
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9331 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-04-29 17:12:59
April 29 2021 15:12 GMT
#13
If you listen to Bwipo saying those words, you should see he's not talking about leaving a sinking ship or dealing with fan hate, but about needing a new start (likely in a worse team) in case he disappoints in summer.

Fnatic needs changes but they're not dead yet in my opinion.
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chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
April 29 2021 23:50 GMT
#14
Arrow has a green card and will compete in amateur to prove he's good enough for LCS as a native NA player. Should be interesting to see him back, and if he shows even close to the same form as before his break he should be snatched up in 2022 pretty easily
DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
April 30 2021 08:53 GMT
#15
Not getting an offer is pretty harsh, wasn't he pretty good before his break?
Fixed a bug where LeBlanc could lose
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-04-30 12:58:24
April 30 2021 12:55 GMT
#16
He was a former MVP adc. Surprised EG or TSM didn't grab him just to have a back up adc they can actually use. I can't say definitively he'd be an upgrade to Deftly/Lost, but he certainly would be worth finding out. Hell having him on TL in case Tactical ints another split seems useful too.

Actually after looking at all of the adcs in the LCS most of them are mediocre as fuck. Shocked no one would give Arrow even some games
DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
April 30 2021 13:15 GMT
#17
I just don"t understand NA anymore, why is your region sop backwards when it comes to fostering talent?
Fixed a bug where LeBlanc could lose
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
April 30 2021 13:51 GMT
#18
Its not like Arrow is a new talent to be fostered. Or really 99% of the adcs in the region. If I were 100T or C9, or even Dig I wouldn't bother signing him. But everyone else absolutely should have an mvp tier adc on the bench.

Clearly its not a money issue or he wouldn't be in amateur, so its just surprising no team thought it could be beneficial to have another adc on their team
DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
April 30 2021 14:04 GMT
#19
It could be money, maybe nobody offered him appropriate compensation, so he reasoned that playing well in the amateur league will convince someone to pay him properly. Pay cut now to make bank later.

I didn't mean to suggest that he is new talent that needs to be coached, more that he is a known entity who would be a good replacement for the bottom half of ADCs in the LCS.
Fixed a bug where LeBlanc could lose
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
April 30 2021 15:15 GMT
#20
I guess it depends on if by "received no offers" he meant, no one reached out or organizations did but no one gave him the chance to put pen to paper. Either way I totally agree. He's either a good replacement straight up, or at the very least a very productive 6th man compared to the vast majority of useless subs in the west
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