EPT[Patch 8.5] Kai'Sa Release General Discussion - Page 2
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Numy
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
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dsyxelic
United States1417 Posts
On March 09 2018 00:16 iCanada wrote: Yeah but aside from metroid aesthetics... why would you pick her jungle over kindred? Kindred does all the same things just better... ie full hp clear, burst and CC, team wide utility, come back / scaling mechanics less reliant on gold, better mobility (this is the real big one for me, got to not get unequivocally pummeled by ww/jax/eve)... Idk ill have to test her in some real games, because I like the concept. But Idk I'm doubtful. Sorry I didn't mean 'the only thing' I meant 'the thing'. She's not a good jungle really. Seemed mediocre to me. On March 09 2018 01:34 DarkCore wrote: So this patch is apparently 10 GB for me, I'm going to assume that's not normal. How do people have so many chests, I have like 1 chest and 40 key fragments. I get fragments every single day, Riot says from honor but it's probably just a daily reward. Is it because I pretty much only play ADC? Yup you just don't play enough champions. I've been at 20+ chests for ages. I get like 1-2 keys every 2-3 log-ins. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
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AdsMoFro
Japan4761 Posts
On March 09 2018 00:26 Jek wrote: Kai'Sa not being able to evolve Q with Gunblade+Rageblade, she's 8 AD short at level 18, piss me off. Riot finally had the chance to finally make a non-Kayle that could utilize Nashtor's Tooth and they blew it.... Hurricane is 100% going to be core on her and I have no idea why Riot listed Shiv instead. The bolts work with her E reset. Could see Rageblade too since it works with her passive and all her stuff got AP ratios and E work with the double proc too. Wouldn't be suprised if she just ends up with the Varus/Kog build. Maybe Essence reaver 3rd for the CDR so she can have perma E uptime. "Hotfix buff to Kai'Sa that just went live: Base AD 62.46->65 Q Mana Cost 55->45 Q Cooldown 10-6->8-6" Whelp now she's 6AD short. Surely they did that on purpose. Would have been a good question for the AMA they did on reddit. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
On March 09 2018 04:48 Numy wrote: Be deleted from the game. As soon as she was shown people were talking about how her kit was just old Nid which we knew was a massive issue. Yet they released that kit and now balance team decided to just gut out of the game. Congratz to the champ design team. You guys are real smart cookies. yeah her kit is now a bunch of random shit that doesnt go together at all she is still a poke monster later on in the game but her W and passive might as well not exist aside from picking up summs | ||
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AdsMoFro
Japan4761 Posts
On March 09 2018 13:14 Bladeorade wrote: yeah her kit is now a bunch of random shit that doesnt go together at all she is still a poke monster later on in the game but her W and passive might as well not exist aside from picking up summs Pretty much. She lacks an identity and a theme. It's weird because for the most part Riot really pushes a fantasy to tie to champions (think Sion, Illaoi, Rek'sai, Kindred, Taric etc.). But now Zoe and Swain have both come out in a short space of time and both of them lack an identity. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On March 09 2018 16:19 AdsMoFro wrote: Pretty much. She lacks an identity and a theme. It's weird because for the most part Riot really pushes a fantasy to tie to champions (think Sion, Illaoi, Rek'sai, Kindred, Taric etc.). But now Zoe and Swain have both come out in a short space of time and both of them lack an identity. I cant really talk for Swain, I rarely see Swain, I have never played Swain, but Zoe had an identity. Its just that that identity was one that Riot's balance team deemed "toxic" years ago. Given that uber-poker is an illegal identity, her hope is for a W rework where it ends up being a charged flash, no other options aside from maybe exhaust and ghost (those are all similar enough that the RNG wont ruin everything, event though the RNG is a big problem). If you do that you can make her a riff on a ranged Kassadin by buffing the passive. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On March 09 2018 16:19 AdsMoFro wrote: Pretty much. She lacks an identity and a theme. It's weird because for the most part Riot really pushes a fantasy to tie to champions (think Sion, Illaoi, Rek'sai, Kindred, Taric etc.). But now Zoe and Swain have both come out in a short space of time and both of them lack an identity. The biggest thing that confused me about her is that she has a 5 hit passive with limited mobility while being super short ranged. What on earth is that design meant to be? | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On March 09 2018 16:57 Numy wrote: The biggest thing that confused me about her is that she has a 5 hit passive with limited mobility while being super short ranged. What on earth is that design meant to be? To me, its fairly obvious. Q, on its own, was supposed to be mild waveclear and poke. E is supposed to be the spell you fish with, at which point you R-Auto for massive burst. W is supposed to be a unique flair. In other words, she was supposed to be a champ that fishes with E, and can force out really bad players with just Q, but really is supposed to try and all in nearly all the time with EQQRAuto. W is supposed to be generally a doubling down on this because you should (in the designer's minds) almost always use it to chase with flash, or flash out after overestimating your chances. TP and other uses did not cross their minds. | ||
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
On March 09 2018 16:19 AdsMoFro wrote: Pretty much. She lacks an identity and a theme. It's weird because for the most part Riot really pushes a fantasy to tie to champions (think Sion, Illaoi, Rek'sai, Kindred, Taric etc.). But now Zoe and Swain have both come out in a short space of time and both of them lack an identity. I just dont get how they go through testing these champions and dont realize the general public is going to bitch about getting 1 shot from unwarded areas. Who is testing these champions pre release? Monkeys? On a side note I really like jungle Kai'sa. Healthy clear and strong damage so you can duel or at least push out the other jungle if they invade. Your laners obviously need CC unless you have red buff, you have strong sticking power with E. She's also really fun to play imo | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
You see this kind of shit all the time with big corporations. The board room comes up with some idea that must be totally awesome. Then it gets released and instantly people see how bad it is. So why couldn't the board room? Group think too strong really. In this instance Riot already had a skin in production thinking she'd be super popular. When last did they product a skin this quickly after hero release? It's crazy. | ||
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General_Winter
United States719 Posts
https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/patch/patch-85-notes I don’t personally like this. A lot of champs with weak early lanes were only really able to get to better than 50% winrate with the additional gold to make up for the weak lane. In theory riot could go and buff all those champs to make up for it, but they won’t actually do it. | ||
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
On March 09 2018 23:39 General_Winter wrote: Oh man. The needs to support items finally came through. https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/patch/patch-85-notes I don’t personally like this. A lot of champs with weak early lanes were only really able to get to better than 50% winrate with the additional gold to make up for the weak lane. In theory riot could go and buff all those champs to make up for it, but they won’t actually do it. Do anyone actually want top Vlad to have a decent laning and the ability to spam wards for himself when he enters perma push mode? | ||
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
I get the impression it was classic big corporate. Departments don't really talk to each other. See, I would agree with that if not for the fact that Riot isn't exactly a huge company (2500 employees, of which I'm pretty sure less than 100 are responsible for game development), and all the departments that work on actual game content are likely to be in the same place. Also, Riot has been developing this game for years now, if they saw lack of communication as the reason for failed champion releases, they'd have done something about it. But if it's true, then it implies a major lack of proper management in the department, because champion design is all about communication between staff to make sure something like Zoe, which is god damn old Nidalee in a Pixie costume, doesn't get released. My own theory is that it's because Riot's designers are having trouble finding new and meaningful ways to create champions. Pretty much every basic game mechanic has 20 different iterations across the champion pool, coming up with new stuff is hard. And new champions are, despite slow release scheduling and many not becoming meta, one of the driving forces keeping this game alive. Take it out, and the seasonal meta changes will drastically change and the game may become stale very fast for casual players. Jhin and Olaf buffs are big. I think it was Kev1in who said on stream that he's pretty much the best duelist in the top lane for a large portion of the game, and he's a massive lane bully when ahead. If I did the calculations right, lv 3 ult will break even with old ult at 180 AD, which is easy to achieve. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9331 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On March 10 2018 01:23 DarkCore wrote: My own theory is that it's because Riot's designers are having trouble finding new and meaningful ways to create champions. Pretty much every basic game mechanic has 20 different iterations across the champion pool, coming up with new stuff is hard. And new champions are, despite slow release scheduling and many not becoming meta, one of the driving forces keeping this game alive. . This problem is exasperated by their growing list of toxic/unfun gameplay of which auras are included for a reason I will never understand. Auras can be a way to “win a draft “ or avoid the lux/zerath/Ziggs problem but for whatever reason Riot nixed that shit after 2 weeks of taric jarvan in season 3 (but Xayah,Rakan holding 2nd pick hostage is totally ok xD) | ||
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