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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On June 21 2017 22:07 VayneAuthority wrote:
warwick is a prime example of how a champ rework is good for the game but not necessarily the player base.
He's a better and more interesting champ now that actually draws bans, but I don't know literally any warwick mains that still play the new one, and the champ kept a very similar theme.
It just shows that reworks can keep the champ very close themewise but its not going to keep its playerbase
So?
I stopped playing Fizz and Brand after their reworks. They were excellent reworks that didn't change much but made them way more interesting. (RIP Fizz QW one-shotting everyone after two items.) But they just didn't feel the same to me, so I went to other champions. I'm sure there were many new Fizz/Brand mains to take my place.
It seems so limiting to try to keep the old playerbase, and I don't see why you would care.
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United States37500 Posts
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On June 21 2017 23:28 GrandInquisitor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 22:07 VayneAuthority wrote:
warwick is a prime example of how a champ rework is good for the game but not necessarily the player base.
He's a better and more interesting champ now that actually draws bans, but I don't know literally any warwick mains that still play the new one, and the champ kept a very similar theme.
It just shows that reworks can keep the champ very close themewise but its not going to keep its playerbase So? I stopped playing Fizz and Brand after their reworks. They were excellent reworks that didn't change much but made them way more interesting. (RIP Fizz QW one-shotting everyone after two items.) But they just didn't feel the same to me, so I went to other champions. I'm sure there were many new Fizz/Brand mains to take my place. It seems so limiting to try to keep the old playerbase, and I don't see why you would care.
Every post you make I am more convinced that you own an executive fidget spinner. Your posts are always hostile for zero reason, you lack social skills.
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
I meant I don't see why "one would care" as in the generic you (or I guess Riot), not you specifically.
So I guess I could have worded it better, but you know, inferring hostile intent by misinterpreting innocuous posts, while ignoring the fact that we literally just had a civil conversation earlier this thread, so that you can lash out at me for lacking social skills using fidget spinner analogies, seems a bit ... ironic.
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On June 22 2017 01:30 GrandInquisitor wrote:
I meant I don't see why "one would care" as in the generic you (or I guess Riot), not you specifically.
So I guess I could have worded it better, but you know, inferring hostile intent by misinterpreting innocuous posts, while ignoring the fact that we literally just had a civil conversation earlier this thread, so that you can lash out at me for lacking social skills using fidget spinner analogies, seems a bit ... ironic.
He's low key calling you autistic, I believe.
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On June 22 2017 01:57 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 01:30 GrandInquisitor wrote:
I meant I don't see why "one would care" as in the generic you (or I guess Riot), not you specifically.
So I guess I could have worded it better, but you know, inferring hostile intent by misinterpreting innocuous posts, while ignoring the fact that we literally just had a civil conversation earlier this thread, so that you can lash out at me for lacking social skills using fidget spinner analogies, seems a bit ... ironic. He's low key calling you autistic, I believe.
Dunno about lowkey lmao
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
If we are to discuss things, it's important to reach some common ground first. Everyone who posted in the last 3 pages is autistic, can we agree on that?
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On June 21 2017 22:07 VayneAuthority wrote:
warwick is a prime example of how a champ rework is good for the game but not necessarily the player base.
He's a better and more interesting champ now that actually draws bans, but I don't know literally any warwick mains that still play the new one, and the champ kept a very similar theme.
It just shows that reworks can keep the champ very close themewise but its not going to keep its playerbase
I don't really see how new Warwick is any better for the game than the old one was, and on a similar note earlier versions of Ryze compared to the numerous attempts at reworking him we've gone through.
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replace point and click with skillshots is riots bread and butter
makes counterplay possible and also makes it easier for tanks to block engages on other targets
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Ryze reworks have to be the most annoying thing Riot has attempted with reworks. We have a mage, he costs 450 IP (aka possibly your first ever champion buy), he is one of League of Legends' iconic, and unique characters compared to the "mothership" of DOTA. And now, there is 1 person in the world who can play him.
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United States37500 Posts
Warwick rework was an improvement imo. Not as loaded as Poppy rework but it definitely gave the champion more depth. "Better for the game" is subjective but it's not hard to argue considering old WW was two point and clicks abilities, a steroid, and a passive.
idk what pre-rework WW mains Brees is talking about but looking at na.op.gg right now, there are still two high diamond Jungle WW mains and Hashinshin who plays WW Top.
Edit: Crown, Faker, Maple are who come to mind when I think Ryze.
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my least favorite rework was karma's. using your mantra shield to damage things was a really different playstyle that i don't feel like any other champion does
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On June 22 2017 03:12 Slayer91 wrote:
replace point and click with skillshots is riots bread and butter
makes counterplay possible and also makes it easier for tanks to block engages on other targets
Right, I get the idea but there is counterplay beyond dodging and blocking skillshots and I don't think every champion needs to follow similar patterns.
My least favourite rework by far is Leblanc.
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Give me back my point and click already :<
The main problem with everything becoming a skillshot is that champions start to feel very similar, which is something I think they'd like to avoid.
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On June 22 2017 03:16 NeoIllusions wrote:
Warwick rework was an improvement imo. Not as loaded as Poppy rework but it definitely gave the champion more depth. "Better for the game" is subjective but it's not hard to argue considering old WW was two point and clicks abilities, a steroid, and a passive.
idk what pre-rework WW mains Brees is talking about but looking at na.op.gg right now, there are still two high diamond Jungle WW mains and Hashinshin who plays WW Top.
Edit: Crown, Faker, Maple are who come to mind when I think Ryze.
I don't watch LMS, so maybe Maple can play Ryze, but Crown's Ryze with the new ult was never my fave. Of course since he has such smooth mechanics it works on that level, but it doesn't seem like a full integration with the champion. His game vs. KT during the playoffs comes to mind.
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I think Shen's rework made him less player (or at least newbie) friendly. He was never a playmaker but his old Q and W made his laning very comfortable without being broken. Riot added some complexity to his kit but he's still boring af and has roughly the same issues he did before. Didn't check his play rates but I think nobody picks the new Shen and thinks "I'm going to have fun in this game".
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On June 22 2017 03:16 NeoIllusions wrote:
Warwick rework was an improvement imo. Not as loaded as Poppy rework but it definitely gave the champion more depth. "Better for the game" is subjective but it's not hard to argue considering old WW was two point and clicks abilities, a steroid, and a passive.
idk what pre-rework WW mains Brees is talking about but looking at na.op.gg right now, there are still two high diamond Jungle WW mains and Hashinshin who plays WW Top.
Edit: Crown, Faker, Maple are who come to mind when I think Ryze.
Bjergerking.
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On June 22 2017 03:49 Sent. wrote:
I think Shen's rework made him less player (or at least newbie) friendly. He was never a playmaker but his old Q and W made his laning very comfortable without being broken. Riot added some complexity to his kit but he's still boring af and has roughly the same issues he did before. Didn't check his play rates but I think nobody picks the new Shen and thinks "I'm going to have fun in this game".
New Shen is very boring yes, but I don't remember Old Shen being fun. My main problem with New Shen is his sword thing is very clunky to use.
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I meant that he used to be boring but simple and they made him boring, clunky and slightly more complex.
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On June 22 2017 03:18 Frolossus wrote:
my least favorite rework was karma's. using your mantra shield to damage things was a really different playstyle that i don't feel like any other champion does
They did keep that in the rework. They just removed it around two years afterward.
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