• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 23:02
CEST 05:02
KST 12:02
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!9[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Evil Geniuses - shutting down13ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier5Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1[$1250] International ShieldBattery League55Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.167
StarCraft 2
General
REPORT: StarCraft 2: Remastered In Development Evil Geniuses - shutting down How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? Daily SC2 Player Grid - feedback wanted
Tourneys
ScienceCraft (October 24-25) - Live Event RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WORTEX Challenger Series — Open SC2 LAN in Budapes
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 548 Shining Bright The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 547 Temple Of Terror Mutation # 546 Catch the Train
Brood War
General
Starcraft player cRuZa Passed away. Young Players Tournament Announced by SOOP Rollback Netcode in Brood War SCHNAIL now supports Remastered BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
Small VOD Thread 2.0 2v2v2v2 Tournament [ASL22] Grand Finals [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) 50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Armies of Exigo - YesYes? General RTS Discussion Thread Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Artificial Intelligence Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion!
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
How Much Genes Contribute to…
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9793 users

[Patch 7.5] RIP LeBlanc General Discussion

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
March 07 2017 19:39 GMT
#1
Welcome to this patch's General Discussion thread for the League of Legends subforum. This thread is for discussion around League of Legends. Free feel to talk about anything LoL related here that does not already have its own thread.

Non-League of Legends discussion should go in the LiquidLegends Lounge.

Certain topics are blacklisted from LoL General Discussion and they include:
  • "Elo hell"
  • The Tribunal
  • Bans, either from TL.net or LoL

Additionally, the TL LoL Ten Commandments are available for you to reference if you have any questions about this subforum.

Use the LoL Strategy subforum if you have game or champion specific questions. Lastly, confine QQing and bragging to their respective threads.

There is no new champion this patch.

Patch 7.5: Live on Mar. 8th, 2017

+ Show Spoiler [Previous GD Threads & Patch Notes] +
Patch 7.4 Lethanlity Nerfs General Discussion
Patch 7.3 Sandbox General Discussion
Patch 7.2 Warwick Rework General Discussion
Patch 7.1 Welcome to Season 7 General Discussion
Patch 6.24 Camille General Discussion
Patch 6.23 Replays are Here General Discussion
Patch 6.22 Pre-Season 7 General Discussion
Patch 6.21 End of Season 6 General Discussion
Patch 6.20 Ivern General Discussion
Patch 6.19 Reverted Kog'Maw General Discussion
Patch 6.18 9th Rek'Sai Nerf General Discussion
Patch 6.17 8th Rek'Sai Nerf General Discussion
Patch 6.16 Kled General Discussion
Patch 6.15 Corki Worlds Buff General Discussion
Patch 6.14 What is Ryze General Discussion
Patch 6.13 Tastes Like Purple General Discussion
Patch 6.12 ARAM is Alive General Discussion
Patch 6.11 Meeeeee-ow! General Discussion
Patch 6.10 Aerodactyl General Discussion
Patch 6.9 Midseason General Discussion
Patch 6.8 Rumble Jungle General Discussion
Patch 6.7 Almost Outrageous General Discussion
Patch 6.6 Dragon Starsurge Z General Discussion
Patch 6.5 Less Naut-y Things General Discussion
Patch 6.4 Ammo for Everyone General Discussion
Patch 6.3 Everyone is Zed General Discussion
Patch 6.2 General Discussion
Patch 6.1 General Discussion
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
March 07 2017 19:40 GMT
#2
Revert Leblanc already.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
TL+ Member
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-07 19:42:27
March 07 2017 19:41 GMT
#3
W - Distortion
DAMAGE 85/120/155/190/225 (+0.6 ability power) ⇒ 40/55/70/85/100 (+0.2 ability power)
MIMIC DAMAGE 125/225/325 (+0.5 ability power) ⇒ 60/120/180 (+0.3 ability power)


l0l jfc, someone plz tell me when the last time a champion was gutted as drastically as this.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-07 19:50:24
March 07 2017 19:49 GMT
#4
On the pbe they had added the damage taken from w and put it on q so you couldn't max 1 skill for waveclear and assasination power. This is just wow, like let's even pretend the amount of base damage nerf was ok because w base should have been nerfed, what's with the ratio nerf on what was already considered a mediocre late game hero?
Carrilord has arrived.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
March 07 2017 19:54 GMT
#5
I still don't understand what the "Leblanc fantasy" is despite Riot writing 10000 words about it in the last 6 months
Freeeeeeedom
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
March 07 2017 20:18 GMT
#6
Wow. Savage.

The eve treatment is real.
Kaneh
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada737 Posts
March 07 2017 20:45 GMT
#7
I'm taking stoneborn pact on lulu every time now. so much better than tlord or windspeakers.
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9331 Posts
March 07 2017 21:00 GMT
#8
It's like they want people to play in Leblanc in a certain way but don't realize that way isn't viable in their game.
You're now breathing manually
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4124 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-07 21:07:18
March 07 2017 21:07 GMT
#9
They gave Yasuo a 30% speedboost? Why would they do that.
They gutted exhaust for botlane, but not against assasins? Isn't that the exact opposite of what they wanted?
Plus they didn't touch anything OP except LB.
I'm very confused about this patch.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
March 07 2017 21:19 GMT
#10
they just really wanted to touch LB
A backwards poet writes inverse.
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
March 07 2017 22:33 GMT
#11


this is riot's lb fantasy

Also wtf they pussified aatrox
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-07 22:50:05
March 07 2017 22:44 GMT
#12
First sentence I read:
“I only wake up when it's time to squash something. And I'm awake right now.”


... yeaaah, Riot hasn't gotten any better at writing characters, uh. And that's to say the least.
Not that they're better for themselves: "(we put Galio's old ult on his W, xD)", really?

RIP sad Gargoyle, you will be missed.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
March 08 2017 00:05 GMT
#13
On March 08 2017 06:00 Sent. wrote:
It's like they want people to play in Leblanc in a certain way but don't realize that way isn't viable in their game.

I don't even know what that "certain way" is. Thats my issue right now. I get she was OP, and the old Leblanc had a terrible Pro/SoloQ winrate split, but I don't know what that goal is.
Freeeeeeedom
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9331 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-08 01:32:10
March 08 2017 00:38 GMT
#14
I think they want her to be focused around gaining advantages from tricking people into missing skillshots or burning their cooldowns. It's a bit like Zed where they said they want him to be able all-in people after chunking them down with shurikens except with Leblanc her opponents are meant to be out of cooldowns instead of hp.

It's not working because her damage is in her "tricks" so if she can use those tricks to deal damage then she has no reason to "deceive" people because she can just kill them and if she uses those tricks to force mistakes she's not dealing damage which makes her useless. I don't even know how you're supposed to "deceive" anyone without attacking him but it seems like their goal.
You're now breathing manually
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
March 08 2017 00:41 GMT
#15
"Once he levels his ultimate, Jax cycles consistently through his different basic attack animations."

Taking care of the important issues in the game, I see.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
March 08 2017 01:03 GMT
#16
On March 08 2017 09:38 Sent. wrote:
I think they want her to be focused around gaining advantages from tricking people into missing skillshots or burning their cooldowns. It's a bit like Zed where they said they want him to be able all-in people after chunking them down with shurikens except with Leblanc her opponents are meant to be out of cooldowns instead of hp.

It's not working because her damage is in her "tricks" so if she can use those tricks to deal damage then she has no reason to "deceive" people because she can just kill them and if she uses those tricks to force mistakes she's not dealing damage which makes her useless. I don't even know how you're supposed to "deceive" anyone without attacking him but it seems like it's their goal.


If that's the case the fix is actually quite simple: Lower the CD, Damage, and Mana Cost on W, make Q her primary waveclear device (basically just make it into a better Ryze E), and load a shit-ton of damage onto E and make its CC lock in instantly if you hit a double Chain.
Freeeeeeedom
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
March 08 2017 02:15 GMT
#17
On March 08 2017 10:03 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2017 09:38 Sent. wrote:
I think they want her to be focused around gaining advantages from tricking people into missing skillshots or burning their cooldowns. It's a bit like Zed where they said they want him to be able all-in people after chunking them down with shurikens except with Leblanc her opponents are meant to be out of cooldowns instead of hp.

It's not working because her damage is in her "tricks" so if she can use those tricks to deal damage then she has no reason to "deceive" people because she can just kill them and if she uses those tricks to force mistakes she's not dealing damage which makes her useless. I don't even know how you're supposed to "deceive" anyone without attacking him but it seems like it's their goal.


If that's the case the fix is actually quite simple: Lower the CD, Damage, and Mana Cost on W, make Q her primary waveclear device (basically just make it into a better Ryze E), and load a shit-ton of damage onto E and make its CC lock in instantly if you hit a double Chain.


This is (sort of) what was on the pbe but instead they kept every w nerf and cut almost all of the q buffs
Carrilord has arrived.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
March 08 2017 02:28 GMT
#18
Her Q does have higher wave clear now though. She might be ok because she can burst kids with E Q RQ not to bad regardless. She might need to build like a ludens first though.

Still a massive nerf though.
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8938 Posts
March 08 2017 02:56 GMT
#19
what the fuck at the leblanc changes. the only way riot is going to get what they want is if they also change w cd to match the current rank 5 cd or someshit and let leblancs max q/e for damage without sacrificing movement.
in this state the champion is dogshit
lilwisper
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2515 Posts
March 08 2017 03:19 GMT
#20
On March 08 2017 04:41 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
W - Distortion
DAMAGE 85/120/155/190/225 (+0.6 ability power) ⇒ 40/55/70/85/100 (+0.2 ability power)
MIMIC DAMAGE 125/225/325 (+0.5 ability power) ⇒ 60/120/180 (+0.3 ability power)


l0l jfc, someone plz tell me when the last time a champion was gutted as drastically as this.


I can only think of Eve or Olaf coming close.
1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 5h 59m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ViBE197
RuFF_SC2 118
PiLiPiLi 39
StarCraft: Brood War
Leta 1889
ProTech171
NaDa 45
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm224
LuMiX0
League of Legends
JimRising 654
Counter-Strike
taco 418
Other Games
summit1g9192
fl0m614
C9.Mang0314
minikerr4
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1118
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 98
• davetesta21
• Sammyuel 3
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 11
• Pr0nogo 4
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Other Games
• Scarra1086
Upcoming Events
FEL
5h 59m
Patches Events
9h 59m
AI Arena Tournament
13h 59m
FEL
1d 6h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 6h
Replay Cast
1d 19h
WardiTV Weekly
2 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
3 days
ByuN vs Lambo
MaxPax vs Bunny
PiGosaur Cup
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
[ Show More ]
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
5 days
SHIN vs GuMiho
Clem vs Classic
WardiTV Invitational
6 days
Epic.LAN
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #5 - GSC
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
BSL Season 23
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

IPSL Winter 2026-27
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.