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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
Every time a player queues up solo after queuing up with friends for a week, a game probably won't be fair. That's the heart of the problem with the dynamic queue. It's possible they are simply doing a solo and team MMR and simply not separating out these team and solo ratings for people to view, but that seems unlikely. Their ideology would mesh with doing that and just lying to players when it comes to presenting their ability level, I suppose. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
And again, it isn't all about just creating fair matchmaking. Obviously a coinflip is a fair game. Is that a satisfying game? Not really. Well, personally anyway. I'm sure there are millions out there paying money to flip coins at this instant. Now obviously ranked with grouped players isn't quite a coin flip, but it is much more clown fiesta than solo queue. Grouped players have obvious advantages in terms of map play and teamfighting... only way for the game to be "fair" is for the solo players to just be better. This makes the game much less consistent. But how do you rate a player when he just finished playing 15 games solo, and now he is playing in a group? What about when he just finished playing in a group and now is solo? There is zero way for the matchmaking system to have accurate numbers and for the ladder to have a true ranking of how you play unless you only play with the same people or if you only play with yourself. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
seems like it theoretically could be good on any Essence Reaver adc, I mean not as good as Lucian, but when Lucian gets nerfed is it an option? | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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MuddyJam
535 Posts
On June 01 2016 20:46 Slusher wrote: has anyone here tried the Lucian fotm build on MF? seems like it theoretically could be good on any Essence Reaver adc, I mean not as good as Lucian, but when Lucian gets nerfed is it an option? lucian is unique because his passive lets him apply two hits very quickly at a given time. I don't know of another adc that can so rapidly apply the stacks of BC. Also most other adc have items that suit them well best options are ashe/sivir but that can auto reset only any level close to lucian. Ashe gets no crit from this build and sivir may have mana issues. | ||
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dsyxelic
United States1417 Posts
ghostblade -> duskblade -> cleaver its just a pen/ad build it felt pretty good. the thing i underrated the most about it was the movement speed. with MF's passive/W and ghostblade active+duskblade MS+cleaver passive, her kiting and chasing is insane. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
reminds me of the Romanium full pen renekton build he was using before the Cleaver buff. he'd go 9x arp red 2xarp quint 1xaspd quint Ghost blade > Tiamat > Duskblade gave you a nasty -60 armor with Precision when you hit your core. I'm guessing this MF build goes Fervor though | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On June 01 2016 22:18 MuddyJam wrote: lucian is unique because his passive lets him apply two hits very quickly at a given time. I don't know of another adc that can so rapidly apply the stacks of BC. Also most other adc have items that suit them well best options are ashe/sivir but that can auto reset only any level close to lucian. Ashe gets no crit from this build and sivir may have mana issues. No Lucian is not unique. He just has a lot of base/scaling damage on his abilities. It could also be good on sivir, Quinn, urgot, and jhin in addition to the aforementioned and obvious MF. Champions who have high ability damage and like a lot of CDR to keep spamming abilities. | ||
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kongoline
6318 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
On June 01 2016 07:54 HazMat wrote: I have no fucking clue what's good for the game? I have a preference for how the game used to be, that doesn't make me clueless. I respect that you may enjoy the game more now, as I said, but for me and a lot of other veteran players, this game has gone to shit and we'd rather just be playing something else. Watching the round table dynamic queue discussion, and reading Riot's new dynamic queue changes, only solidifies my opinion that the new people at Riot has no fucking idea what made so many people enjoy League in the first place. People can bitch about solo queue all they want (my team holds me back from getting challenger!!!), it's what a handful of people spent their time playing, and it's also where many talented players and streamers were discovered. And there's no more arranged 5's ranked? How will up and coming teams practice 5v5s outside of scrims? just becaues you were part of the tl guys who played 5's regularly doesn't mean it was the norm almost nobody played ranked 5's, the stats backed it up. almost everyone plays solo q if they play ranked at all. that's not "a handful" solo q is where ALL the talented players and streamers were discovered. Nobody was plat and then played 5's and got anywhere I think diamonprox is the only guy in a good team when he was low ranked and he got to the top 50 or something with an insane winrate so he probably had another acc or something | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
On June 02 2016 03:25 JimmiC wrote: A lot of this talk reminds me of when my dad tried to convince me that 8 tracks were a much better way to get music to the people than MP3's. Sure there was some value then, but if there was no nostalgia attached you would find today's product better than the one you are reminiscing about. There's so much wrong with this analogy. First you're comparing a mechanical device to an audio coding format. If you wanted to make an apt comparison you'd be comparing an 8 track player/tape to a CD player/CD or analog to mp3. You're also making a false equivalence by implying that dynamic queue is somehow innately superior to solo queue, when it is a game design decision where it essentially comes down to personal taste than anything objective. On June 02 2016 02:44 Slayer91 wrote: just becaues you were part of the tl guys who played 5's regularly doesn't mean it was the norm almost nobody played ranked 5's, the stats backed it up. almost everyone plays solo q if they play ranked at all. that's not "a handful" He never claimed ranked 5s were the norm, and it is irrelevant that a small percentage of people played them if you strictly care about finding teams that are good (teams, not individuals). The pro and semi-pro scene are a tiny proportion of the population, I guess we should just cancel LCS too? | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/maps/42_Nostalgia On June 02 2016 04:32 zer0das wrote: There's so much wrong with this analogy. First you're comparing a mechanical device to an audio coding format. If you wanted to make an apt comparison you'd be comparing an 8 track player/tape to a CD player/CD or analog to mp3. You're also making a false equivalence by implying that dynamic queue is somehow innately superior to solo queue, when it is a game design decision where it essentially comes down to personal taste than anything objective. He never claimed ranked 5s were the norm, and it is irrelevant that a small percentage of people played them if you strictly care about finding teams that are good (teams, not individuals). The pro and semi-pro scene are a tiny proportion of the population, I guess we should just cancel LCS too? the majority of ranked 5's team which itself was a minority of people were just playing with their friends anyway and it was super hard to find games. i suggest keep dyanmic q and keep LCS for competitive play instead of having solo q which is active and ranked 5's which only the top guys play if they want to scrim and some groups of friends, if you have 2 ppl you duo, 5 you ranked 5's but 3 or 4 and you're fucked doesn't make sense | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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kongoline
6318 Posts
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