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The real secret OP Support IMO is Sion Support.
He's pretty much an immovable brick wall. You have traditional tanky support CC / kill pressure / engage with traditional ranged support harass, protection and lane dominance. You can trade with ranged supports like Karma, but can also peel off a Leona like a Janna.
Sion Trades well due to E / W shields. But its really good in an all in due to the nature of 2v2's and Sion Passive; even if he engages poorly and just dies, his Ghost will truck out like 500 damage probably turning the fight for a 2 for 1 in his favour. Even if Sion engages on a bad fight and dies, if his ADC has half a brain Sion passive will turn it around as well.
Don't take my word for it, go watch some replays from Challenger is Korea:
http://www.op.gg/champion/sion/statistics/support
Its great too because Sion as a champion is kind of useless with gold. But regardless of how much gold you get you are tanky and annoying. You can enable your ADC offensive with 25% armor shred and slows, you can engage, and you can peel like a boss with Q.
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When did all these non traditional supports become a thing?
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they didn't tl'ers are just hipster should be playing braum and janna and literally raping faces
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You know full well that I'm usually just getting carried on my Janna.
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On May 24 2016 00:34 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Lucian is 100% the best ban at every elo right now. There's no champ with his combination of win rate and play rate. Depending on your elo Blitzcrank, Ekko, Kindred, and Swain are other potential ban candidates -- most other champions either have too low of a win rate or too low of a play rate to justify banning them.
been on the Lucian ban train for only one day now, but I gotta say it feelsgoodman
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On May 24 2016 02:17 Slayer91 wrote:
they didn't tl'ers are just hipster should be playing braum and janna and literally raping faces
Sion Support is legit.
Watch this replay, ask Faker and Bang whether they think Sion Support is a thing.
http://www.op.gg/match/new/id=2442769034
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everyone else is talking about nasus support ashe support etc
maybe sion support is good but the general rule is niche supports are garbage
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sion is good in any lane where you can abuse bushes. and he has enough "chaos" in his kit to make him viable pretty much anywhere in solo queue between his annoying passive and ult into Q combo for 20 seconds of CC.
pretty much any champ that can make catches has and always will be super viable in solo q since catches end the majority of games
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Oh ya, support ashe is troll as fuck.
Nasus W too bad now for him to be legit.
Only other "unconventional" support I think could be a decent is Galio, as a mage support counter pick (ie Brand / Karma), but I have no wish to really test it. I know Chauster used to play that shit all the time back in the day. I assume you could trade well if you played the sheilds well and landed your skillshots, then you have that sweet sweet level 6 all in. But I think the amount of work / effort / outplay required to make it good you might as well just pick like Braum / Janna and outplay on them.
EDIT: I don't even think you need the brush baits / catches to make Sion good. I think his E & W are good enough trading tool on their own completely ignoring Q, and Q is still a strong peel / engage skill. Its real hard to not get caught by RQ double knock up, and if you don't get double double knocked up you probably lost the fight anyway because one of you was running and not fighting.
Having those brsuh ganks in and of themselves is pretty good though.
There is also something to be said for your support just straight up having a long ass range "go" button for 5v5's. Alistar is as close as it gets to just being able to make shit happen and its obvious to every retard "damn lets fight!"
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if poking was even remotely relevant in bot lane then karma would have a way better winrate. its because she cant catch shit as a support, you have to be blatantly overpowered like janna to be powerful as a reactive champ
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no it's because you have no real carry potential past lane phase
yes supports bring a lot to the table so if you want to play a support champ it has to be broken as fuck to compete with the others
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Poking is a lot better when you can hard engage and fuck them up as soon as they a little low.
Karma kind of has to like either hope they fuck up, or Flash Tether to engage an all in, and that is just kind of shit. A well played Sion is like a Leona that gets to engage on you when you are slowed with no armor and at 60% HP and they are at 90%.
Sion just has really good base damages and stats with a ton of utility.
The pick potential Sion has is way better at carrying than Karma Q or shield.
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On May 24 2016 03:31 iCanada wrote:
Nasus W too bad now for him to be legit.
What's unlegit about 35% initial movement speed and attack speed slow?
Stacking to 50% for ms and 42,5% at level 1? That's a 5s exhaust without the armor/magic pen (lol) and damage reduction.
At level 2 this goes to 65% ms reduction and 50% as reduction. By this you'll also have Spirit Fire that does more armor reduction than exhaust.
So you basically have a 12s cooldown exhaust without any CDR.
Movement and attack speed reduction are HUGE.
Nothing is more hilarious than to watch someone retaliate an all inn when they just can't do any damage.
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AS is reduced by half of the amount movement is
it can be impractical to use it as well as you'd like because some of that duration you need for you and adc to gapclose and you can get CC'd by enemy support in that time etc
you need to initially get in range as well without taking too much damage
i mean regular nasus isn't considered a teamfight beast and he does a shit ton of damage lol
why would a nasus doing no damage be considered a good supports
supports really aren't that much weaker than other champs they just dont output the same damage
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I'm not a great support or bot player, but why would anyone all in Nasus support? That's like the only way you lose that lane.
If you maxing W on Nasus you have no trading potential with E, and have no sustain or lane presence. A good Janna would just poke you out of lane so fast and Zone you, then have a better late game too. Or you max E and Wither is nothing to write home about
Wither is real good, don't get me wrong. But Nasus pretty much has to hope the other lane just hard derps into him. Nasus support is pretty much 100% wither. And you have to remember that you take a ton of poke getting in range, then half of Wither duration is pretty much just your ADC getting on them.
Wither used to be worth playing Support Nasus for because the AS slow was the same as the Slow, and you could have 100% Wither uptime. now neither of those things are true, and Exhaust is just as good, so you might as well pick an otherwise useful support. Not to mention, I think a good ADC just buys a QSS and now you aren't a champ in the game.
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this is ww support all over again
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My favorite non meta supports are Poppy and Xin, for similar reasons. They have good peel and good base stats. Sitting on top of your carry as either of these champs keeps them alive for a long time.
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On May 24 2016 04:01 Slayer91 wrote:
no it's because you have no real carry potential past lane phase
yes supports bring a lot to the table so if you want to play a support champ it has to be broken as fuck to compete with the others
I mean she is picked in real games occasionally shes just not that good in solo queue. Shes picked pretty much purely for that AOE speed shield.
It is just my opinion though that poke isnt that great in bot lane due to relic shield. Pretty much every support has asinine sustain except like morg. They nerfed it slightly but its still crazy.
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while we're at it, i might as well add you can just play double bruiser dunk lanes and auto win the game
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Problem with Nasus support isn't his lane phase. Wither is strong enough that harass becomes way too dangerous for many ranged supports.
His problem is that he isn't tanky enough without farm to do anything lategame except wither the enemy tank/dive. If the enemy dive isn't auto attack focused then they don't really care and so you are just some armor shred for your AD. While they probably die anyway.
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