EPT[Patch 6.9] Midseason General Discussion - Page 21
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
As someone who spends way too much time in bot games trying to get as farmed as possible in as little as time as possible, this is the most entertaining thing I've stumbled upon. | ||
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dsyxelic
United States1417 Posts
seemed really strong. at level 6 I just Q-W to do half of my lane opponent's health. if I hit ulti after that (waiting for dash) he automatically dies. even if I don't, he has to back or risk me just all-inning again in ~30 seconds. not to mention it stacks with lichbane. at level 12 with revolver/sheen I did 492 damage with my WQ on-hit. pretty hilarious. fizz seems extremely strong this patch. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On May 14 2016 07:28 dsyxelic wrote: so I tried out that revolver fizz thing. seemed really strong. at level 6 I just Q-W to do half of my lane opponent's health. if I hit ulti after that (waiting for dash) he automatically dies. even if I don't, he has to back or risk me just all-inning again in ~30 seconds. not to mention it stacks with lichbane. at level 12 with revolver/sheen I did 492 damage with my WQ on-hit. pretty hilarious. fizz seems extremely strong this patch. And that's not taking into account a lot of lost damage amp from ult. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
the only other problem I've had with it is if they have a lot of aoe, you take a shitload of damage getting in then out, even if you one shot someone, I played a game against a Zyra support and I had two options, one shot Zyra and get out and not have enough health to go back in, or one shot someone else and get killed for doing it. idk maybe if my bot lane didn't feed I could have done more it was just a bad Fizz game overall imo, because they had an Ekko to send against me if I would split. tl;dr I think gun blade Fizz is legit but you might need to go abyssal instead if they have a lot of aoe. | ||
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dae
Canada1600 Posts
Pre DFG removal, he was often played as a snowbally mid who just kept killing people to get ahead. After, he kinda was forced into farming to get to that point. However, with Doranx2 -> protobelt -> void/sorcs -> Dcap he can just kill anything. That item does SO MUCH DAMAGE with magic pen plus the bonus ap he gets. And, it gives him much needed catch/oh shit button to press. I've been protobelt->R to one shot adc's. I've one shot supports with the belt. I've full comboed full tanks for 90% of their health. This is so much fun! Hope riot is slow on the nerfs. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On May 14 2016 11:56 dae wrote: So, Veigar is pretty broken with the new Hextech Protobelt item. Pre DFG removal, he was often played as a snowbally mid who just kept killing people to get ahead. After, he kinda was forced into farming to get to that point. However, with Doranx2 -> protobelt -> void/sorcs -> Dcap he can just kill anything. That item does SO MUCH DAMAGE with magic pen plus the bonus ap he gets. And, it gives him much needed catch/oh shit button to press. I've been protobelt->R to one shot adc's. I've one shot supports with the belt. I've full comboed full tanks for 90% of their health. This is so much fun! Hope riot is slow on the nerfs. Definitely one of the champs that benefits the most. a lot of people play around veigar e range. protobelt just gives that little bit of reach to catch somebody out. | ||
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dsyxelic
United States1417 Posts
On May 14 2016 11:36 Slusher wrote: I like it a lot but it has some downside, Revolver rush is immense damage but you have no cdr and your mana pool has a really hard time supporting E max, Basically if your jungler hordes 2nd blue you are going to cede come cs. the only other problem I've had with it is if they have a lot of aoe, you take a shitload of damage getting in then out, even if you one shot someone, I played a game against a Zyra support and I had two options, one shot Zyra and get out and not have enough health to go back in, or one shot someone else and get killed for doing it. idk maybe if my bot lane didn't feed I could have done more it was just a bad Fizz game overall imo, because they had an Ekko to send against me if I would split. tl;dr I think gun blade Fizz is legit but you might need to go abyssal instead if they have a lot of aoe. yeah I definitely don't think it is a must buy every game but very strong given the right situation. ive also been playing him only top. e mana hasn't been a big issue because I just wait for my all-in every 40s and keep repeating till he backs or dead. a shen matchup I played was fairly difficult given how if timed properly he can block all the on-hits lol. but hes very good against a bunch of tops. i'll probably just use it as a counter pick since i'm actually not a fizz player. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Purge
Canada372 Posts
Also anyone found a good use for the new frost novabolt item? I just cannot figure out a good champ to use it on. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
basically I can get over them being random but I want to care about all 4, and currently I care about 3/4. Also I think water is really overrated, I think it is BY FAR the best Dragon if it's a first Drake and you get it before 10 min, but I think mountain and Fire are both better late game or to have 2+ stacks of, obviously it's team comp situational (like the soraka situation you mentioned makes sense) but I hope when water gets nerfed (it's nerfed on the PBE I believe) that they don't nerf stack 2/3 that much, or it will be air dragon level of priority. on the flip side I expected Rift Herald to be super strong but if it's having an impact in my games, I haven't noticed although I've played top like once in the last 2 weeks, I normally don't agree with Scarra when it comes to balance, but his hot potato idea I really like, make this buff really good (if it isn't already and I haven't noticed) and have it drop on death, I think that would be worth a try, although it's probably too late to do something that crazy. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On May 14 2016 14:02 Purge wrote: So Im just going to say what everyone probably already knew outright - Triple Ocean Drake Soraka is disgusting and a free win. There's just nothing you can do if the other team plays around it intelligently at all. This new dragon system rework is just so frustrating because you just fucking lose if the stars align right. Also anyone found a good use for the new frost novabolt item? I just cannot figure out a good champ to use it on. frost nova is decent on Liss. it's a lot of buttons to press assuming you're coming in from an E - E(F)QW(item)shift+R in about a second. It's an absolutely immense amount of burst if you can pop it off in the middle of the enemy team. Liss always need just a little bit extra to kill squishies in a single combo unless insanely fed, and I think that item might be it. Protobelt unfortunately just doesn't bring enough AP despite the utility to be worthwhile on Liss in particular, especially since her mobility/initiation are already pretty decent. As for the drakes, you can give up earth/air pretty easily. It won't lose you the game, although objectives get a little bit harder to contest. giving up fire is ok but not great. Giving up multiple fire makes it really, really hard though. since you have to outplay by a lot. Giving up one ocean is very bad. It almost auto-wins tank matchups in top lane, and multiple oceans ends the game pretty much as you'll constantly be 80+% health, and if you win a fight, you'll be high enough health to go do stuff. | ||
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
On May 14 2016 11:56 dae wrote: So, Veigar is pretty broken with the new Hextech Protobelt item. Pre DFG removal, he was often played as a snowbally mid who just kept killing people to get ahead. After, he kinda was forced into farming to get to that point. However, with Doranx2 -> protobelt -> void/sorcs -> Dcap he can just kill anything. That item does SO MUCH DAMAGE with magic pen plus the bonus ap he gets. And, it gives him much needed catch/oh shit button to press. I've been protobelt->R to one shot adc's. I've one shot supports with the belt. I've full comboed full tanks for 90% of their health. This is so much fun! Hope riot is slow on the nerfs. You should see him in ARAM now. Played vs one yesterday that had 200 AP from passive around 10 minutes in. Ouch ouch ouch. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8939 Posts
On May 14 2016 14:02 Purge wrote: So Im just going to say what everyone probably already knew outright - Triple Ocean Drake Soraka is disgusting and a free win. There's just nothing you can do if the other team plays around it intelligently at all. This new dragon system rework is just so frustrating because you just fucking lose if the stars align right. Also anyone found a good use for the new frost novabolt item? I just cannot figure out a good champ to use it on. i like it a lot on tf. replaced rod of ages with the novabolt item for some decent stats and another nuke that looks pretty much like tf's q anyway. good for waveclear, 2 q's, a slow, a stun from w, good damage. whats not to like | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
I would imagine if I was behind, it'd still be an okay pickup just for the mobility. | ||
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dsyxelic
United States1417 Posts
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
I guess you could situationally not get a defensive item (maybe if you already have Rylais?) or sub out your 4th offensive item. I dunno. I think you definitely want Nashors & Rageblade first. After that maybe you just build whatever you want because lulz kayle is good right now. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On May 14 2016 18:03 dsyxelic wrote: kayle has too many good items on her though. i wouldnt replace any of her items for a protobelt Yeah. Kayle's one of the champs where she scales incredibly well with so many items that protobelt is just another piece of the puzzle. It does let you CDR cap with nashor's/blue though, so that's nifty. It's a big tradeoff in Kayle's case between wanting utility/burst with the protobelt, or just straight dps with the Lich. The protobelt might not give as much AP as other items, but the burst damage is actually huge. Didn't quite finish the Lich, but it definitely provides roughly the same burst as the lich(much longer CD), with utility. With both you can one shot people with hilarious amounts of damage. I really think that protobelt is pretty underrated at the moment since people look at 60AP and think that it's garbage without thinking about how much value is in the 40s CD nuke+dash. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On May 14 2016 14:11 Slusher wrote: I kinda like the elemental Drakes now that I've played with them a bunch, I guess if air didn't exist or had some sort of combat boost, I'd like them a lot. basically I can get over them being random but I want to care about all 4, and currently I care about 3/4. Also I think water is really overrated, I think it is BY FAR the best Dragon if it's a first Drake and you get it before 10 min, but I think mountain and Fire are both better late game or to have 2+ stacks of, obviously it's team comp situational (like the soraka situation you mentioned makes sense) but I hope when water gets nerfed (it's nerfed on the PBE I believe) that they don't nerf stack 2/3 that much, or it will be air dragon level of priority. on the flip side I expected Rift Herald to be super strong but if it's having an impact in my games, I haven't noticed although I've played top like once in the last 2 weeks, I normally don't agree with Scarra when it comes to balance, but his hot potato idea I really like, make this buff really good (if it isn't already and I haven't noticed) and have it drop on death, I think that would be worth a try, although it's probably too late to do something that crazy. Herald is like an Aegis. You don't realize what's happening till you get stumped in a fight, then you see. | ||
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MuddyJam
535 Posts
On May 14 2016 16:08 Amui wrote: Just tried protobelt on kayle. Not the best judgment of the strength since I was already godlike, but it provides huge catch potential. Many times people will respect the fact that you can W yourself and run at them but being able to gain that tiny bit of distance is huge. Allows you to just close the distance, and adds even more burst. I would imagine if I was behind, it'd still be an okay pickup just for the mobility. kayle as a speed boost and a slow! how are u not already sticking to people? Als you want your on hit AS items so you can shit out damage. Why would you delay that to get something you already have in your kit? | ||
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