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On May 09 2016 10:01 Bladeorade wrote:
Is anyone else getting these Jungle Vaynes on their team? Razor into Rageblade?
Why do people think this is good? Am I out of the loop?
better to get rageblade on lane vayne now
sated vayne was kinda stupid but gimped your team with a squishy scaling adc who can't really gank
literally every razor champ except maybe kindred is <50% winrate now rip LOL
rito nerfed every champ who used it to the ground so they can't play anything but jungle with sated and now they finally remove sated but didnt undo the nerfs to xin/shyv/yi/udyr etc
also all the tank item nerfs like SV/Gauntlet/ZZ'rot/Swifites/alacrity what with udyr abusing em and they nerfing udyr and then nerfing the items later LOL pls
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On May 09 2016 10:01 Bladeorade wrote:
Is anyone else getting these Jungle Vaynes on their team? Razor into Rageblade?
Why do people think this is good? Am I out of the loop?
It's the usual somebody on youtube found a build that looks very damaging stuff. The Razor/Rageblade build makes Vayne proc bolts on 2 hits instead of 3 and does the applicable %life dmg of all the items and abilities. The video did mention the hella bad gold timings involved with having to upgrade the jungle item and skipping the blasting wand to build rageblade directly.
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On May 10 2016 01:46 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2016 10:01 Bladeorade wrote:
Is anyone else getting these Jungle Vaynes on their team? Razor into Rageblade?
Why do people think this is good? Am I out of the loop? better to get rageblade on lane vayne now sated vayne was kinda stupid but gimped your team with a squishy scaling adc who can't really gank literally every razor champ except maybe kindred is <50% winrate now rip LOL rito nerfed every champ who used it to the ground so they can't play anything but jungle with sated and now they finally remove sated but didnt undo the nerfs to xin/shyv/yi/udyr etc also all the tank item nerfs like SV/Gauntlet/ZZ'rot/Swifites/alacrity what with udyr abusing em and they nerfing udyr and then nerfing the items later LOL pls
nerf champs who are op cuz of op item>remove op item>wonder why nobody plays those champs
it has been a meme for years now
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its okay they mostly nerfed pheonix stance I think tiger udyr just might be okay with titanic hydra but need to test and impossible to get jungle
clear time is balls tho considering leveling pheonix early and double dipping in the clear stances
other plan is a tiamat rush which seems okay too
main issue is that udyr has really low base mana and runs OOM toward the clean up stage of the fight where he excels, sapphire crystal is literally 50% increase in your mana pool LOL
its one reason why most of the strong udyr builds feature IBG//Trinity//FH whichever is OP at the time.
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On May 09 2016 21:30 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2016 14:24 Frolossus wrote:On May 09 2016 13:22 iCanada wrote:On May 09 2016 11:50 Frolossus wrote:
anivia changes feel terrible to play
i can't see her winning a single lane matchup now The Rs effective trade range is actually higher, so is E's. R has a funny cast delay on it though. I think it just feels bad because we're used to weird anivia with awkward ranges that didn't mesh. She trades evenly with new Syndra, and people seem to think Syndra is on the OP side. I don't like is how it's much harder to shove in a wave then roam. R takes so long to expand, feels weird. It's still good for stalling games out . Her laning pattern feels like it has less pressure. the main issue is that increase E projectile speed gives you less time to hit them with a smaller R if they move at all after you cast E you can't get double damage from R q nerf is w/e but the projectile speed and starting size of glacial storm are both bad changes it's really important that she actually is able to get the ER combo off considering that it costs 1/4 of her mana early/mid game regardless of how much damage it hits for Is it really an E projectile speed increase and not a R delay? Huh. I guess that would have the same effect regardless. Perhaps we just have to RE instead of ER. I agree though, it feels bad. Show nested quote +On May 09 2016 14:30 cLutZ wrote:
Why would Anivia get any changes that weren't a cataclysmic buff? Probably the same reason the 55% winrate mid Malzahar got cataclysmic buffs. Cuz Riot wasn't thinking at all. Now Malz has a 57% winrate Jungle, Mid, and a 54% winrate top. LOL. I guess thje stats are tainted since about a 3rd of them are before the hot-fix, but still. http://www.op.gg/champion/malzahar/statistics/jungle
exactly! but if you remember a few patches back the reduced the length of time that an enemy can be chilled by anivia's abilities. i think they cut it in half or more. so if you RE they can just walk out of it and not take any damage by the time it hits
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Funny thing is I bet Riot thought they were giving Anivia a QoL buff by increasing her E projectile speed.
LOL.
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Holy fuck this patch is huge.... anyone tl;dr'd it yet? I'm feeling lazy.
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On May 10 2016 05:40 Requizen wrote:
Holy fuck this patch is huge.... anyone tl;dr'd it yet? I'm feeling lazy.
Ban malzahar. If Dragon is water you almost certainly cannot afford to let the dragon go. If dragon is fire one may be OK, but two will be really problematic. Water and Earth are Eh. 5th dragon now spawns for everyone.
Oh and all your mage items got shuffled around. Ryze is also now probably hilariously OP as about every mage item gives flat mana
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On May 10 2016 01:46 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2016 10:01 Bladeorade wrote:
Is anyone else getting these Jungle Vaynes on their team? Razor into Rageblade?
Why do people think this is good? Am I out of the loop? better to get rageblade on lane vayne now sated vayne was kinda stupid but gimped your team with a squishy scaling adc who can't really gank literally every razor champ except maybe kindred is <50% winrate now rip LOL rito nerfed every champ who used it to the ground so they can't play anything but jungle with sated and now they finally remove sated but didnt undo the nerfs to xin/shyv/yi/udyr etc also all the tank item nerfs like SV/Gauntlet/ZZ'rot/Swifites/alacrity what with udyr abusing em and they nerfing udyr and then nerfing the items later LOL pls
I must eat crow; I thought shyvana would survive the removal of devourer, but she is in the worst spot she's ever been in.
That her winrate has dropped an average of 8% in NA, KR, and EUW. Yikes.
I don't even think blood razer is underpowered relative to other jungle items, they just cleaved all these champs kits to compensate for how stupid sated was.
I bet they buff bloodrazer though because all these champs winrates have just tanked it. Then we'll probably see ADC rushing Blood razer because it's bonkers. Lol.
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lyte is leaving riot games
wont lie im happy
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On May 10 2016 06:11 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2016 01:46 Slayer91 wrote:On May 09 2016 10:01 Bladeorade wrote:
Is anyone else getting these Jungle Vaynes on their team? Razor into Rageblade?
Why do people think this is good? Am I out of the loop? better to get rageblade on lane vayne now sated vayne was kinda stupid but gimped your team with a squishy scaling adc who can't really gank literally every razor champ except maybe kindred is <50% winrate now rip LOL rito nerfed every champ who used it to the ground so they can't play anything but jungle with sated and now they finally remove sated but didnt undo the nerfs to xin/shyv/yi/udyr etc also all the tank item nerfs like SV/Gauntlet/ZZ'rot/Swifites/alacrity what with udyr abusing em and they nerfing udyr and then nerfing the items later LOL pls I must eat crow; I thought shyvana would survive the removal of devourer, but she is in the worst spot she's ever been in. That her winrate has dropped an average of 8% in NA, KR, and EUW. Yikes. I don't even think blood razer is underpowered relative to other jungle items, they just cleaved all these champs kits to compensate for how stupid sated was. I bet they buff bloodrazer though because all these champs winrates have just tanked it. Then we'll probably see ADC rushing Blood razer because it's bonkers. Lol.
Funny story, they buffed Bloodrazor to 4% max HP today on PBE.
Granted, it comes with changes to at least Yi and Shyvanna.
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The damage is done. The groupthink at Riot and in the community is pretty strong.
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On May 10 2016 06:15 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2016 06:11 iCanada wrote:On May 10 2016 01:46 Slayer91 wrote:On May 09 2016 10:01 Bladeorade wrote:
Is anyone else getting these Jungle Vaynes on their team? Razor into Rageblade?
Why do people think this is good? Am I out of the loop? better to get rageblade on lane vayne now sated vayne was kinda stupid but gimped your team with a squishy scaling adc who can't really gank literally every razor champ except maybe kindred is <50% winrate now rip LOL rito nerfed every champ who used it to the ground so they can't play anything but jungle with sated and now they finally remove sated but didnt undo the nerfs to xin/shyv/yi/udyr etc also all the tank item nerfs like SV/Gauntlet/ZZ'rot/Swifites/alacrity what with udyr abusing em and they nerfing udyr and then nerfing the items later LOL pls I must eat crow; I thought shyvana would survive the removal of devourer, but she is in the worst spot she's ever been in. That her winrate has dropped an average of 8% in NA, KR, and EUW. Yikes. I don't even think blood razer is underpowered relative to other jungle items, they just cleaved all these champs kits to compensate for how stupid sated was. I bet they buff bloodrazer though because all these champs winrates have just tanked it. Then we'll probably see ADC rushing Blood razer because it's bonkers. Lol. Funny story, they buffed Bloodrazor to 4% max HP today on PBE. Granted, it comes with changes to at least Yi and Shyvanna.
They aren't even good buffs, they just gave them AP ratios so they can build rageblade more effectively. I dont think a melee champion getting 6 auto's off in a teamfight is really that reasonable though, so its kind of a moot point.
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On May 10 2016 06:21 cLutZ wrote:The damage is done. The groupthink at Riot and in the community is pretty strong.
I think all the Lyte hate is exactly why most game companies will never bother investing the resources into hiring someone like Lyte. Why go to all that expense to ban a bunch of your profitable customers, only to get shit on 24/7 for it? So much easier to just ignore the issue altogether.
Lyte (and Riot's support for him) did a ton of good for the game. Legitimate intentional feeders are so much rarer now than when I started playing this game. A bunch of crybabies will always hate him, but truthfully, any disciplinarian is always going to be hated by those he's punishing.
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GrandInquisitor
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I don't think Riot will end the whole Player Behavior department, but I do think they're going to miss Lyte's kind of unique role in coming up with creative solutions (e.g., merging machine learning with player behavior). I wonder how Riot will replace him - there can't be that many candidates that both have the qualifications and are also willing to take on a ridiculous amount of abuse. (See, e.g., Ghostcrawler.)
Maybe Riot takes a Valve approach and for this particular area, just completely stops engaging with the userbase for the mental health of the Player Behavior team. No one can unleash abuse at the VAC, for instance, so maybe Riot should come up with a similar cute acronym for their machine learning protocols so that banned players don't really have a person they can lash out at.
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On May 10 2016 05:49 Goumindong wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2016 05:40 Requizen wrote:
Holy fuck this patch is huge.... anyone tl;dr'd it yet? I'm feeling lazy. Ban malzahar. If Dragon is water you almost certainly cannot afford to let the dragon go. If dragon is fire one may be OK, but two will be really problematic. Water and Earth are Eh. 5th dragon now spawns for everyone. Oh and all your mage items got shuffled around. Ryze is also now probably hilariously OP as about every mage item gives flat mana
You put water twice.
But yeah, you must fight for water unless it's like 2v5, and even then it'd probably be worth trying for a steal. It basically auto-wins top if it's tank vs. Tank and is basically worth blue/constant potions on everybody.
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
I defended Dragon RNG a lot recently and I still mostly stand by it.
That being said I did catch myself getting pretty salty recently ... in four straight Nunu games, I soloed dragon at level 4 but in every single game it was the damn Mountain Dragon instead of something more useful.
Damn RNG.
(Though the Mountain Dragon ended up winning us the game off a Baron steal ... having Consume/Smite do 20% more damage is fucking crazy.)
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On May 10 2016 06:34 GrandInquisitor wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2016 06:21 cLutZ wrote:The damage is done. The groupthink at Riot and in the community is pretty strong. I think all the Lyte hate is exactly why most game companies will never bother investing the resources into hiring someone like Lyte. Why go to all that expense to ban a bunch of your profitable customers, only to get shit on 24/7 for it? So much easier to just ignore the issue altogether. Lyte (and Riot's support for him) did a ton of good for the game. Legitimate intentional feeders are so much rarer now than when I started playing this game. A bunch of crybabies will always hate him, but truthfully, any disciplinarian is always going to be hated by those he's punishing.
Legitimate intentional feeders should always have been the #1 priority. That was not Lyte's focus, it was on written messages. The #2 priority should have been champ select trolls, who actually fed into #1.
IMO both those were "solved" in as much as they were, by dynamic queue. Its just not the way I would have solved them, as IMO they make the competitive side of playing less interesting to me. But also, I would have liked them to return to ELO, and to publish the ELO of all 30 million or whatever players every week, so who am I?
I think the Lyte system, at its infancy, actually made both my top priorities worse, because people would do #1, and #2 to bait out the language and get people banned. However, if you like dynamic, your Lol-life is probably improved now.
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You don't need all the shit he added and the stats manipulation and all the dishonesty trying to sell their "methodology" to people to get a system supposed to deal with the intentional feeders and other griefers.
Look, a lot of the shady systemic changes and dynamic Q and other stuff that's been done with appealing to another crowd rather than bettering the game has been "sold" to us with the same lying and double discourse rhetoric we've seen in Lyte's affirmations.
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