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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-10 16:16:16
February 10 2016 16:15 GMT
#41
it doesn't *really* matter that this item is "ad" themed. you can build it on ap champs as well, because it's still 90 + 25% missing hp. less efficient since you the stats don't add to your combo buuuuuuut if you're a champ that autos with some frequency or has an aa reset maybe?

if this works it just confirms that this is the dumbest item ever
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
February 10 2016 16:23 GMT
#42
On February 11 2016 01:15 ticklishmusic wrote:
it doesn't *really* matter that this item is "ad" themed. you can build it on ap champs as well, because it's still 90 + 25% missing hp. less efficient since you the stats don't add to your combo buuuuuuut if you're a champ that autos with some frequency or has an aa reset maybe?

if this works it just confirms that this is the dumbest item ever


Akali and eve is all i could come up with
I come in for the scraps
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-10 16:34:49
February 10 2016 16:34 GMT
#43
It is bad on them too. You can't spend that much gold on an item with so much arpen+ad as an ap champ. Just look at how rarely zhonya is bought even though it gives armor and a godly active on ad champs.
Purge
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada372 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-10 16:42:52
February 10 2016 16:41 GMT
#44
I'm going to take a step back from my personal frustration with this patch to avoid hyperbole. Its a really shitty time for all the champs that I like playing

Anywho, Lee is really good right now. So is Noct by my first guess. Duskblade gives Lee the ability to 2 item then transition straight into tank while still feeling good that he will contribute damage - the way I see it duskblade really rewards high precision and the ability to save it for when you need it and no one really does that better than Lee.

Also I could totally see it on Akali, as if a whole targeted ability kit wasn't enough, lets give her a conditional execute too. Why not. Not that she really can use it to snowball effectively imo, that's probably best done with Zhon or sommat like that. But what do I know, I have no games on Akali because I think shes terribly designed and not much fun so someone else I guess can tackle that one.

"Never do an enemy a small injury." - Machiavelli
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-10 16:44:53
February 10 2016 16:43 GMT
#45
I'm unsure if the item will fight the whole game enough to make the game not the exact same but with poke champs buying the duskblade. but it's an item that will never be healthy unless it dead ends as a cheap item.

dirk + 600-900 gold for the same passive and 20 AD kind of cheap dead end.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-10 16:48:15
February 10 2016 16:45 GMT
#46
Honestly while very good this item is being so fucking overrated by the community. Everyone goes zhonya and qss vs assassins anyway it really will not make everything else unplayable lol.

Also highly recommend kayle to people interested in some other sleeper picks. Even without the whole assassins shit she just does so much fucking dmg. Nashor/rageblade+w/e you want.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-10 16:50:38
February 10 2016 16:50 GMT
#47
On February 11 2016 01:45 nafta wrote:
Honestly while very good this item is being so fucking overrated by the community. Everyone goes zhonya and qss vs assassins anyway it really will not make everything else unplayable lol.

Also highly recommend kayle to people interested in some other sleeper picks. Even without the whole assassins shit she just does so much fucking dmg. Nashor/rageblade+w/e you want.


Next patch: We noticed that Zhonya's Hourglass and QSS were really good against our beloved new item which we spent a lot of time designing. Err, it's also good at a lot of other stuff. So, now Zhonya's costs 500 more gold, has 20 less armor and QSS has it's cost increased by 2000 and provides no MR. Oh, and cooldowns are now doubled.
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Ayush_SCtoss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
India3051 Posts
February 10 2016 18:20 GMT
#48
Dagger on Kha'Zix? Seen some of them blowing up champions already. They rush the item.
End my suffering
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
February 10 2016 18:35 GMT
#49
regardless of how good or bad this item is (hint its really good)

This will be one of those troll patches like league of cleavers or 420 weedwick that you look back at later and shake your head. its going to be a shitty 2 weeks of league
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Volband
Profile Joined March 2011
Hungary6034 Posts
February 10 2016 18:47 GMT
#50
You'd think Rito learns from their mistakes, and release brand new items a bit underpowered, rather than overpowered. At least it's been a while that they released a new champion in such a broken state as Diana was.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
February 10 2016 18:49 GMT
#51
As a rule of thumb, you want to release your stuff overpowered because this way people will want to use it, and that'll give you more information about how to balance it.
I'm certain there's less data about Illaoi than Kindred or Tahm Kench, regardless of how straightforward their levers for balance are.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Lost My Will To Live
Profile Joined October 2014
Botswana601 Posts
February 10 2016 19:08 GMT
#52
On February 11 2016 03:49 Alaric wrote:
As a rule of thumb, you want to release your stuff overpowered because this way people will want to use it, and that'll give you more information about how to balance it.
I'm certain there's less data about Illaoi than Kindred or Tahm Kench, regardless of how straightforward their levers for balance are.

PBE exists for a reason Alaric. And all reports out of PBE were that this item is broken.
I am who you think I am
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
February 10 2016 19:10 GMT
#53
That's why I said "rule of thumb", and in response to Volband saying they should release stuff underpowered. Now, to teach them the difference between slightly and grossly...
I wouldn't be surprised if Riot did it on purpose so they could decide whose assassins' kits they'd smack down, while leaving the item untouched, for the purpose of "tuning."
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Lost My Will To Live
Profile Joined October 2014
Botswana601 Posts
February 10 2016 19:48 GMT
#54
I mean, let's dispel this fiction that Rito has no idea what they're doing. Rito knows exactly what they're doing.

Please relax friends. =D
I am who you think I am
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
February 10 2016 20:30 GMT
#55
In some way, it's more worrying though, isn't it? :°
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
February 10 2016 20:33 GMT
#56
On February 11 2016 04:08 Lost My Will To Live wrote:
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On February 11 2016 03:49 Alaric wrote:
As a rule of thumb, you want to release your stuff overpowered because this way people will want to use it, and that'll give you more information about how to balance it.
I'm certain there's less data about Illaoi than Kindred or Tahm Kench, regardless of how straightforward their levers for balance are.

PBE exists for a reason Alaric. And all reports out of PBE were that this item is broken.


Might I ask what reason PBE exists for? Every bug that gets reported there seems to make its way to live anyway. Any broken item that gets reports still makes it to live anyway as well. It doesn't seem to have a function from what I can gather.
Lost My Will To Live
Profile Joined October 2014
Botswana601 Posts
February 10 2016 20:40 GMT
#57
No fuckin idea man. You're going to have to ask Riot, because contrary to the popular belief that Riot has no idea what they're doing, Riot knows exactly what they're doing.
I am who you think I am
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
February 10 2016 20:47 GMT
#58
On February 11 2016 05:33 Numy wrote:
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On February 11 2016 04:08 Lost My Will To Live wrote:
On February 11 2016 03:49 Alaric wrote:
As a rule of thumb, you want to release your stuff overpowered because this way people will want to use it, and that'll give you more information about how to balance it.
I'm certain there's less data about Illaoi than Kindred or Tahm Kench, regardless of how straightforward their levers for balance are.

PBE exists for a reason Alaric. And all reports out of PBE were that this item is broken.


Might I ask what reason PBE exists for? Every bug that gets reported there seems to make its way to live anyway. Any broken item that gets reports still makes it to live anyway as well. It doesn't seem to have a function from what I can gather.

generate hype for upcoming skins
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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
February 10 2016 21:04 GMT
#59
pbe exists for client crashing bugs only
Carrilord has arrived.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
February 10 2016 21:16 GMT
#60
On February 11 2016 06:04 Slusher wrote:
pbe exists for client crashing bugs only


Pretty much this. Anything that doesn't make the client crash or make a champion unplayable isn't a priority.

I used to heavily test stuff on the PBE to hunt for bugs, especially with season patches, but lost interest after zero of the bugs I painstakingly documented got fixed. My best guess is they have a planned release schedule and they won't delay for anything short of game-breaking.

Balance is just a crap shoot. Very few players play on the PBE consistently enough for MMR to measure anything, so matches are almost always horribly lopsided. Trying to judge balance off the PBE would be like trying to extrapolate the results of an election from a precinct with 1 voter who forget to vote.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
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