EPTPro scene rumor mill 2016 Pre-Season - Page 39
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35150 Posts
On November 25 2015 16:12 739 wrote: Marin overhyped? Seriously? Yeah. Overhyped. As a full package is he the best top laner in Korea? Yeah, kind of silly to debate that. But I don't think he's miles ahead of Ssumday and Smeb as people think and benefited a lot from Faker being Faker. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On November 25 2015 16:19 Gahlo wrote: Yeah. Overhyped. As a full package is he the best top laner in Korea? Yeah, kind of silly to debate that. But I don't think he's miles ahead of Ssumday and Smeb as people think and benefited a lot from Faker being Faker. in terms of just his laning/individual play I agree with you, but then he's also the shotcaller and given how dominant SKT was in a macro sense having a top 3 toplaner in the world and a top 3 shotcaller in the world is ridiculously valuable. On November 25 2015 16:14 krndandaman wrote: fuck marin is one of my favorites on that team T.T I still have complete trust in T1 to be #1 though but sucks losing one of the leaders on that team. I guess I'll be content with faker/bengi duo staying. glad bengi is sticking it out (assuming so since they let t0m go) wonder if they'll actually buy a player this time. don't think they have a soloqstar in the toplane again this time im assuming marin/easyhoon longzhu-im? that team seems monstrous if rumors are true. top marin jg spirit mid easyhoon mainly people who don't put into consideration his shotcalling/leadership. in terms of pure toplane skill, mechanics, laning, etc. there are better but marin's shotcalling and leadership is very very valuable. then again SKT utilized it/groomed him very well also so who knows how it'll pan out on another team. yo that team would be ridiculous, would love to see that. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35150 Posts
On November 25 2015 16:24 DystopiaX wrote: in terms of just his laning/individual play I agree with you, but then he's also the shotcaller and given how dominant SKT was in a macro sense having a top 3 toplaner in the world and a top 3 shotcaller in the world is ridiculously valuable. Yup. Calling somebody overhyped doesn't mean they're bad. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On November 25 2015 16:25 Gahlo wrote: Yup. Calling somebody overhyped doesn't mean they're bad. I guess it depends on how hard you think people are hyping him, but my perception of others' perceptions is that he's the best, maybe 2nd best shotcaller and top 3 in terms of being a top laner, which is about where I'd put him like unless people are calling him the solo carry of SKT and I missed it or something idk who's overhyping him. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35150 Posts
On November 25 2015 16:27 DystopiaX wrote: I guess it depends on how hard you think people are hyping him, but my perception of others' perceptions is that he's the best, maybe 2nd best shotcaller and top 3 in terms of being a top laner, which is about where I'd put him like unless people are calling him the solo carry of SKT and I missed it or something idk who's overhyping him. I've seen so many people say Faker barely did anything at Worlds and it was all Marin. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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TayTai
Germany1 Post
Why Marin though. Breaks my Heart. Can't it be Wolf leaving instead. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On November 25 2015 16:29 Gahlo wrote: I've seen so many people say Faker barely did anything at Worlds and it was all Marin. I've never seen that but those people are retarded On November 25 2015 16:31 Itsmedudeman wrote: I don't see faker replacing marin as the next leader for SKT. He just doesn't come off as that guy. Bengi? Too reserved. Wolf or Bang? Hell no. So you need a new guy that can come onto a legendary team that can lead SKT right off the bat. Who the hell can even do that? MAYBE Shy, but Marin was irreplaceable with any top laner in the world in my book. IMO you just try to replace with best available talent and figure out leadership/shotcalling over the course of the split, I figure SKT's support staff+the rest of the players can figure it out, getting anything close to replacement level in skill for marin is harder than figuring out leadership imo | ||
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Trius
Ukraine273 Posts
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On November 25 2015 16:35 Trius wrote: I just hope Marin isn't going to NA. Some team owner saw that someone else was making Huni an ADC, and he bought marin and is making him do it too. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On November 25 2015 16:29 Gahlo wrote: I've seen so many people say Faker barely did anything at Worlds and it was all Marin. they aren't wrong that was just the meta combined with how good skt was though, not a MaRin > Faker thing. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On November 25 2015 16:40 krndandaman wrote: They're not really wrong though lol. Faker didn't really need to do much. It's wrong if they are using that to imply Faker is bad/played bad but literally all Faker needed to do was not feed. Besides some Ryze performances where he went off pretty much nearly all games were decided by toplane and/or team rotations. Not Faker's fault the meta was that way but that's just how it was. I mean consistently winning lane against the best in the world allowing SKT to make aggressive proactive rotations isn't really barely doing anything, it's just that by our expectations for Faker it seems comparatively average. Like it's really easy to just gloss over what happened by saying "and then the team rotated to win" but most of those rotations were only possible because multiple lanes were winning | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
meanwhile Marin played in a tournament stacked with top laners | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On November 25 2015 16:46 Slusher wrote: wait when did faker lane against the best in the world? I'll give you Pawn if you want, but literally he didn't face anyone else top tier the rest of the way. meanwhile Marin played in a tournament stacked with top laners I mean if you beat everyone you face in a tourney that has the best teams, then you're not facing garbage like yeah there are a couple names that are missing from the attendees but it's not like the rest of the top tier teams made it to worlds with trash midlaners | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
 I certainly hope SKT gets another great top laner like Smeb or somebody.I think Faker underperformed expectations at Worlds, but then again, he didn't need to wreck everyone for SKT to win. I mean, he was still very influential on the meta by bringing in Ryze and showing his power. I think we could have seen more niche picks from Faker if SKT were threatened, but nobody threatened them. :/ | ||
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