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Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-11 14:18:48
November 11 2015 14:18 GMT
#281
'Addressing TSM's lies'

'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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crimethinking
Profile Joined February 2015
Vietnam765 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-11 14:20:57
November 11 2015 14:20 GMT
#282
[image loading]

Svenskeren is definitely not the kind I would like to deal with, somebody who cannot fucking write properly when business matters. Now both H2K and TSM look dirty for throwing rocks at each other for this kid.
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Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
November 11 2015 14:22 GMT
#283
[image loading]



l o l -_-
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
November 11 2015 14:31 GMT
#284
Once again Svenskeren did absolutely nothing wrong. Stay strong buddy ;_:
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
Wita
Profile Joined January 2015
Denmark267 Posts
November 11 2015 14:41 GMT
#285
He didnt sign something, he verbalized its a big difference. AFAIK you cant be held up to a verbal agreement here in DK I could be wrong tho.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
November 11 2015 14:51 GMT
#286
a bunch of posts floating around, is there a short tldr about the facts
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-11 15:09:32
November 11 2015 15:09 GMT
#287
On November 11 2015 23:51 oneofthem wrote:
a bunch of posts floating around, is there a short tldr about the facts


There aren't really any neutral "facts", just a bunch of he said she said with people posting cherry picked logs. The situation is basically this

- H2K spoke to Sven about him joining their team, he verbally said he wanted to join and that they'd finish negotiating contract later
- TSM starts talking to Sven
- Sven tells H2K he doesn't want to be with them
- H2K believe Sven has a legal obligation to join them, TSM/Sven do not.
- Story breaks about H2K/TSM fighting over Sven with statements from H2K
- TSM makes statements saying H2K aren't good guys
- H2K make statements saying TSM aren't good guys

Who spoke to who first is a bit in the air but that's the gist of it. My opinion is that Sven is that guy that tries to date multiple girls at once then when caught in the act plays the victim card.
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
November 11 2015 15:27 GMT
#288
I thought Sven said it in writing and not just verbally.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
November 11 2015 15:31 GMT
#289
I think verbally in this case means over emails and not a written document? What I mean is he didn't sign a document to say he'd be joining which is what the screenshot earlier in the thread shows.
Wita
Profile Joined January 2015
Denmark267 Posts
November 11 2015 15:34 GMT
#290
not signed not official.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-11 15:39:12
November 11 2015 15:37 GMT
#291
On November 12 2015 00:34 Wita wrote:
not signed not official.


Verbal contracts in a lot of countries can be binding in certain situations. Emails can also be binding legal documents. I think in UK and Germany that is the case. No idea how it works as he's Danish talking to a UK company to play in a league based out of Germany run by the Irish(?) branch of a USA company.
RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4121 Posts
November 11 2015 16:29 GMT
#292
You know there's a lack of up and coming players in NA and EU when organisations are fighting so hard over Svenskeren... Yes I know the kid is good but THAT good ? I don't think so. Also he's known for his attitude issues.
Putting that kind of money and legal effort into him seems insane considering he's still counted as an import for TSM.

Meanwhile on the other side of the world it seems KR still has a ton of unknown players that are easily lcs caliber without even having a professional environment around them. Watch the kespa cup !
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
November 11 2015 16:35 GMT
#293
This is getting more hilarious than all CPHW drama combined.
Offseason <3.
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Mikau
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Netherlands1446 Posts
November 11 2015 16:38 GMT
#294
On November 11 2015 22:34 crimethinking wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2015 22:00 Mikau wrote:
Are we really holding a 19 year old kid to the same standards as the CEOs of two big companies/teams? Especially considering this 19 year old, by the looks of it, is being pressured or harassed with ultimatums about his future. As immature as I think Svenskeren is (especially following the Taipei Chingchong incident), he's not the one we should look at if we want to assign blame here.

Maybe the better choice would be not touching an immature 19 year old in the first place.

Better stop doing eSports then, because literally every player is to some extent. Svenskeren might be more so than most, but fact remains that you can't avoid dealing with immature adolescents.
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-11 16:56:59
November 11 2015 16:55 GMT
#295
Do these Koreans know english, are sure to assimilate and have 2 years of proving themsleves in competitive environment? Sven is really good too, I'm pretty sure most prominent figures agree on that.

Also there's 0 reason to think Sven is immature, he has every right to defend himself over his nickname but instead hasn't sais a single fucking word about it except for an apology.
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
November 11 2015 17:04 GMT
#296
On November 12 2015 00:27 Ansibled wrote:
I thought Sven said it in writing and not just verbally.

It seems like "in writing" refers to the Skype conversation posted by Reginald.
Off-season = best season
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9332 Posts
November 11 2015 17:08 GMT
#297
On November 12 2015 01:55 AlterKot wrote:
Do these Koreans know english, are sure to assimilate and have 2 years of proving themsleves in competitive environment? Sven is really good too, I'm pretty sure most prominent figures agree on that.

Also there's 0 reason to think Sven is immature, he has every right to defend himself over his nickname but instead hasn't sais a single fucking word about it except for an apology.


He named his account taipeichingchong, I think it's safe to assume he's a bit immature
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AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
November 11 2015 17:12 GMT
#298
No.

User was warned for this post (one word posts are bad)
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-11 17:13:39
November 11 2015 17:12 GMT
#299
On November 12 2015 01:29 RouaF wrote:
You know there's a lack of up and coming players in NA and EU when organisations are fighting so hard over Svenskeren... Yes I know the kid is good but THAT good ? I don't think so. Also he's known for his attitude issues.
Putting that kind of money and legal effort into him seems insane considering he's still counted as an import for TSM.

Meanwhile on the other side of the world it seems KR still has a ton of unknown players that are easily lcs caliber without even having a professional environment around them. Watch the kespa cup !

I agree. I think some people are undervaluing Korean imports now because of the Chinese desaster at worlds.

In the case of Svenskeren the situation was probably exacerbated because TSM needed a jungler quickly for IEM after Amazing declined and H2k needed one quickly because they want to sell their team with a complete roster soon.

Honestly I think H2k Rich fucked up when he tried to strongarm Svenskeren into the contract besides making the improved offer. I bet if he had just offered the increased salary + the 50k signing bonus (which is huge) and kept things amicable he could have beaten out TSM.
Off-season = best season
crimethinking
Profile Joined February 2015
Vietnam765 Posts
November 11 2015 17:13 GMT
#300
On November 12 2015 01:38 Mikau wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2015 22:34 crimethinking wrote:
On November 11 2015 22:00 Mikau wrote:
Are we really holding a 19 year old kid to the same standards as the CEOs of two big companies/teams? Especially considering this 19 year old, by the looks of it, is being pressured or harassed with ultimatums about his future. As immature as I think Svenskeren is (especially following the Taipei Chingchong incident), he's not the one we should look at if we want to assign blame here.

Maybe the better choice would be not touching an immature 19 year old in the first place.

Better stop doing eSports then, because literally every player is to some extent. Svenskeren might be more so than most, but fact remains that you can't avoid dealing with immature adolescents.

People like Unlimited are hard to find in this industry. If only everyone has a bit more sense.
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