EPT[Patch 5.11] Ryze is Balanced General Discussion - Page 25
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On June 20 2015 07:52 Slusher wrote: I also covered this, Ziggs doesn't need nearly as an ideal of a situation to get his full damage out Sure. Which is why Ziggs isn't as good as Viktor is in competitive. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Especially if they pick long range stuff, or mobile like Kalista. I mean technically Ziggs' non-blockable Q (850 range) is farther than Viktor's initial cast range on his ult, so... | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
But again this is why he is better in competitive. | ||
Harem
United States11393 Posts
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Chemiczny84
Poland458 Posts
On June 20 2015 09:24 Harem wrote: A blind person can also dodge Ziggs Q too. Is it only me or are master arcanist ziggs animations really confusing? played vs it once, didn't enjoy it | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On June 20 2015 07:33 Goumindong wrote: Vitkor's ult alone nearly does more damage than the entirety of Ziggs or Zerath's kit. It is not right to say they do more damage than Viktor in team fights lolwut Ziggs has a godlike teamfight ult... | ||
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Chocolate
United States2350 Posts
got fucked by him twice now, latest time it was 2v1 top and he still won | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On June 20 2015 11:26 Chocolate wrote: how2 lane against yasuo got fucked by him twice now, latest time it was 2v1 top and he still won Avoid level 1 and 2. His e fucking hurts when it stacks. If ranged harass out his shield at level 3 with a single auto, then trade when shield is down. | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On June 20 2015 11:26 Chocolate wrote: how2 lane against yasuo got fucked by him twice now, latest time it was 2v1 top and he still won pick a bruiser | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14277 Posts
On June 20 2015 11:26 Chocolate wrote: how2 lane against yasuo got fucked by him twice now, latest time it was 2v1 top and he still won My counter pick to Yasuo is Riven since she doesn't even need her 2nd active or her ult to kill Yasuo at level 6 but also she got plenty of kill pressure pre level 6 also vs Yasuo. Also on any other champion just survive past level 2 vs Yasuo when he will likely try to all in you. | ||
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
On June 20 2015 13:19 LightningStrike wrote: My counter pick to Yasuo is Riven since she doesn't even need her 2nd active or her ult to kill Yasuo at level 6 but also she got plenty of kill pressure pre level 6 also vs Yasuo. Also on any other champion just survive past level 2 vs Yasuo when he will likely try to all in you. To be fair, Riven's the counter to Yasuo during the laning phase; her Q lets her stay as mobile as him, the W's a good way to stop his E sliding bullshit to begin with, her E is arguably better than his shield passive, and her ulti lets her get reach for the all-in. The main thing with her is to pop the shield first with an AA or the first hit of Q, wait until it's down, THEN go in for a E-W-Q-AA combo before trolololing away with the second and/or third Q. Obviously having ignite on her helps with the all-ins but it's not required. It really only turns around in Yasuo's favor once he hits the crit threshold and gets to 90 or 100% crit rate, because at that point he can just 3 shot her and there's not a ton she can do to stop it. She can kite back his hits and try to use the E shield to eat most of the damage (this assumes you max E second), but if he gets more than a couple seconds to stick to her and land a Q-AA-E-AA combo she's probably gonna die. | ||
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Kaethis
Netherlands112 Posts
On June 20 2015 11:26 Chocolate wrote: how2 lane against yasuo got fucked by him twice now, latest time it was 2v1 top and he still won Yasuo has a pretty large powerspike level 1+2 as people above have said, but after level 3 he's complete thrash throughout the entire midgame if he doesn't have insane backup or gets fed. A thing you can do is change your skilling orders against him on some champions or just play really safe. Bruisers in general do really well top, but again, avoid him level 1+2. Playing Garen against him if he's top is just unfair. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
Basically Warrior -> Black Cleaver -> BotRK. Duel people for days. Screw Trinity Force. | ||
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kongoline
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On June 20 2015 15:03 kongoline wrote: pretty sure with trinity instead of BC u would be able to duel people too Yes, but I think BC + BotRK is superior because: 1. BC has 20% CDR which is extremely valuable. Trinity Force has its perks (especially Sheen and the Mana), but BC feels a lot smoother. 2. BotRK provides a slow which Vi really need. Plus it's a lot of attack speed and life steal. Obviously it's just my opinion. Take it with a grain of salt, as always. | ||
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TheHumanSensation
Canada1210 Posts
On June 20 2015 15:12 Sufficiency wrote: Yes, but I think BC + BotRK is superior because: 1. BC has 20% CDR which is extremely valuable. Trinity Force has its perks (especially Sheen and the Mana), but BC feels a lot smoother. 2. BotRK provides a slow which Vi really need. Plus it's a lot of attack speed and life steal. Obviously it's just my opinion. Take it with a grain of salt, as always. You sound like you're describing icebourne gauntlet without ever using the word iceborne gauntlet. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On June 20 2015 15:16 TheHumanSensation wrote: You sound like you're describing icebourne gauntlet without ever using the word iceborne gauntlet. I think BC -> IBG is a fine build too. But I've only tried IBG once and more iterations are needed. In my mind, though, I think the life steal and attack speed is better - which is why I prefer BotRK. Additionally, point-and-click slow + speed up is definitely better than a melee proc slow field. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
Is he actually a d3 level player? or just a jackass? | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On June 20 2015 15:49 wei2coolman wrote: Friend got into d3 playing nunu. Is he actually a d3 level player? or just a jackass? those aren't exclusive to each other  | ||
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