EPT[Patch 5.9] Ashe Rework General Discussion - Page 51
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kongoline
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Nohiko
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On May 22 2015 10:21 Ansibled wrote: I wish Riot would stop their self-righteous crusade against 'toxicity.' Hopefully I can't get punished for typing lots of ? I still feel like the best way to make people less 'toxic' is to add voice chat to the game. Agreed. Honestly, I think Riot's emphasis on 'toxicity' is one of their largest failings. It is both unreasonable and delusional to expect people to act like its a Disney movie. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On May 22 2015 09:47 krndandaman wrote: anything that the system doesn't pick up shit like 'nice job irelia' when irelia feeds a kill is a way of being an asshole without the system knowing its totally sarcastic you don't even have to be creative really. just avoid shit thats blatantly malicious and you will never get banned. its that easy. I don't care about not getting banned, I'm asking what would you have the system flag. Several of the ones posted here are not blatantly malicious, they are sarcastic. Which is much better than the passive-aggressive "nice irelia" bs you want to see. On May 22 2015 10:30 Nohiko wrote: Agreed. Honestly, I think Riot's emphasis on 'toxicity' is one of their largest failings. It is both unreasonable and delusional to expect people to act like its a Disney movie. Also, even if it were a good goal, it would be #59 in their queue if they were not just being irrational like people who picket comedians who use "fag" in a comedy act. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On May 22 2015 10:33 JimmiC wrote: against the other team. No team in any regular sport would talk to each other like that. Unless the guy was total dick and he would soon be off the team. Street ball is very different than organized play. been called the n-word before, but thankfully it was used in a fairly endearing manner regarding after making a sick post move for points. :D | ||
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thejuju
United States413 Posts
if voice chat got implemented I'd probably get permabanned | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On May 22 2015 09:36 wei2coolman wrote: I dunno if anyone plays pickup games of street basketball, but the level of trash talk there is worse than some of those chat log bans. The argument that conversation A isn't offensive because conversation B is more offensive is pretty dumb. They're both offensive. If somebody calls somebody else a fag, they need to be punished for that, almost regardless of context. Even TL does that and TL is an environment that is basically designed for having frank discussions. I'm not sure how somebody can have the standpoint of "gasp, I can't call strangers faggots anymore?!?!" Like, come on, grow up. | ||
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On May 22 2015 11:25 Ketara wrote: The argument that conversation A isn't offensive because conversation B is more offensive is pretty dumb. They're both offensive. If somebody calls somebody else a fag, they need to be punished for that, almost regardless of context. Even TL does that and TL is an environment that is basically designed for having frank discussions. I'm not sure how somebody can have the standpoint of "gasp, I can't call strangers faggots anymore?!?!" Like, come on, grow up. That's not the argument I'm making. The whole point of the tribunal is that it's supposed to create a social norm that is equivalent to face to face interaction, through punishment. Problem is that it's going too far in it's implementation. In any form of competition, even a stupid game of monopoly, a certain level of insults, banter, and trash talk is expected, and is the social norm. Especially since certain cultures are very fond of banter, now we have this homogeneous RIOT approved G-rated chat for 8 year olds. Hell, even in FGC, where there's a lot of face to face interaction between minority groups, trash talk is a time honored tradition of who can fling the most shit, and getting called out in money matches, and having shit talkers eat the shit they spew when they lose. On May 22 2015 11:35 AlterKot wrote: I wish League was a place where people could call each other fags and noone would give a shit. I realise it isn't and that by doing so I'm making game unpleasant for some people (and thus generally avoid doing so), but at same time ROFL at how much people like to be self-righteous, to me it's way worse than being offensive. maybe you should quit being a + Show Spoiler + toxic person. huehuehue. | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
Man fucking what, it's a word, you can live without using it. And you should once you realize that it legitimately hurts other people because that is what responsible adults do. @w2c Not between teammates! Trash talking your teammates isn't trash talking, it's being an anti-social ass. You trash talk the enemy team which I have seen almost no one get offended about unless the game is actually over because then it's just mean. | ||
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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
edit: The FGC community (a) does it face to face to people they know and (b), at least in the circles I've been in, has not shown itself to be a great role model for social interaction in many other ways. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On May 22 2015 09:47 krndandaman wrote: anything that the system doesn't pick up shit like 'nice job irelia' when irelia feeds a kill is a way of being an asshole without the system knowing its totally sarcastic Since you are refuting that, you have a non-position. You are just making a statement that "this doesn't affect me." | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
So you continue to give non-answers. edit: You should also give an example of the least offensive thing you would not condone. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On May 22 2015 12:13 cLutZ wrote: You still haven't provided trash talk that you condone. Or, really, even criticism of another player that you condone. So you continue to give non-answers. condoning and endorsing are 2 different things. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
You don't make sense because your first post said: On May 22 2015 09:21 krndandaman wrote: that's depressing then i have a hard time understanding how it can be that hard not to be an asshole to that extent. yeah sometimes one can get salty but consistently calling someone a useless piece of shit who shouldn't play the game several times throughout a game shows a lack of self control. i certainly don't mind people who lack that self control having their chat privileges revoked. i don't have much sympathy nor will i miss their chatting. not like it's even hard to avoid chatban. all these reports do is filter out the idiots who can't come up with creative ways of insulting others and resort to generic "YOURE A PIECE OF SHIT PLZ QUIT" Then I asked what insults you would allow people to hurl. Which you said "anything that the system doesn't pick up." Which is a non-answer, its just an endorsement of anything Riot does. You also made the irelia statement, which you don't endorse(?) but think the current system wouldn't pick up. But you haven't said if a system designed by you would. Then you say: On May 22 2015 12:07 krndandaman wrote: how the fuck is that me endorsing it? I said it's super easy to be an asshole without getting banned and you asked me how how in the world does that equate to me endorsing that? "this doesn't affect me" please, reading comprehension. I said it doesn't negatively affect me. When you clearly know I meant that you were just taking a position of "this doesn't affect me (negatively), so I dont care." But still haven't indicated if you are supportive of the "assholes" that get away with it in the system. And finally we get to: On May 22 2015 12:16 krndandaman wrote: ??? what the fuck are you getting at here you're confusing me. 1) why do I need to provide trash talk I condone? 2) how is the conversation even related to trash talk? trash talk =/= talking trash to your teammates, its to your opponents so I don't see how this is related at all to trash talk. again, why? also this is a loaded question. context matters. 1. So we can know what you actually think a good system entails, because right now you seem to think Lol chat should appear to be the same as church. 2. Trash talking teammates is a thing. They also ban you for flaming opponents. 3. Its not a loaded question, you can give context if you think it matters. | ||
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