[Patch 5.7] More Executes General Discussion - Page 57

On April 26 2015 18:17 Alaric wrote:

And then you nerf the barrel because he can oneshot the wave super early.
You don't seem to remember why Gragas was played top before he went to the jungle (there were two main nerfs, first one was putting a mana cost on his W, I'll let you guess the other one).

That said, I'm pretty sure if the "bug fix" (durr) on Alistar was reverted he wouldn't even stand out in this meta (he'd prob be a super strong laner with Smite but he does too much with Flash to give it up so... ). I like how he had a clear power curve with the value of his ultimate tappering as the game went on and fights lasted longer, so you'd play around his triforce timing in the midgame for good damage while still being a super good tank, but was going to be outscaled eventually (sorta like Renekton when he was actually strong in the first fights I guess).

Edit: Gragas had 735 + 1.9 AP ratio on QR. Add around 350 + 0.5 AP if he gets to E in the target he sent toward his team.
His ult base cd was 60 seconds late game until one month before s2 finals (went up to 80), so usually 42s with blue and some CDR (like DFG, you guys shit on his burst but you forget DFG existed at the time, or even anything else that's above 10% really), so even if he screwed up a catch, his combo did enough damage to force a recall if it hit a squishy and it was hard for the enemy team to capitalise on a miss unless they were immediatly read to jump his team. He had a clear advantage if he had to use it to disengage after the enemy committed standard initiation cooldowns to try and get the jump on them.

His Q has 1100 range before pre-season 4, plus the radius. He poked better farther than champions like Lux, and more reliably than Nidalee (since pass-through and AoE), he also pretty much cancelled his mana bar in lane as soon as level 5 because he'd oneshot the wave and sustain the cost with W.

You're just wearing goggles because you're trying to push your opinion that current Gragas is shit design and then-Gragas was easy to tune with just lowering the ratio on his Q.
Well maybe, just maybe, there were issues with both?

On April 27 2015 03:48 Alaric wrote:
Nope, because I said "the rework having issues doesn't mean the initial kit was perfect".

On April 27 2015 05:29 Sonnington wrote:
Gragas is fine right now. His damage isn't too high and he gives utility.

On April 27 2015 05:31 wei2coolman wrote:

uh. lol. his damage is ridiculous considering he builds no damage.
% health dmg is so problematic.

On April 27 2015 05:33 Sonnington wrote:

So does Sion, so does Zac, so do a lot of tanky champs. He's fine. He's in a good spot, but he's not OP.