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ChilledZero
Profile Joined January 2012
United States16 Posts
January 15 2015 19:03 GMT
#141
On January 15 2015 18:28 killerdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2015 18:21 ketchup wrote:
On January 15 2015 18:00 RaphaelSanzio wrote:
On January 15 2015 17:56 ketchup wrote:
On January 15 2015 17:33 RaphaelSanzio wrote:
Why is nobody talking about the most important update ever in the history of League of Legends?

We now have Facebook integration.
I repeat.
Facebook
Inte
Gration.


Why are you trying to make a big deal out of something that's not a big deal? It's optional, and it's not forced. So, who cares?


Perhaps I should have added some sort of sarcasm indicator for the not so bright.


Uhh, Okay?

1.) The sarcasm is not difficult to read.

2.) My point is that who gives a shit about the whole thing? There are so many patch notes we can discuss instead, or we can have other discussions about LoL. The only thing your post was doing was a simple circlejerk about gaming companies and forced facebook integration. My point still stands. Your choice of topic sucks. At best, it's just whining either way.

Where are you guys seeing the facebook stuff?

I ctrl f'd the patchnotes and didn't find anything, and reddit has nothing on it o.0



Facebook integration has been added to PBE and is not in the current live patch
I think it's a nice feature though and will be using it on live when it's enabled there
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
January 15 2015 19:24 GMT
#142
On January 16 2015 04:00 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2015 03:35 ketchup wrote:
Sorry to say, but Sona nerfs are always warranted. She has never been in a "good" place. Basically, her ult and passive make it very difficult for Riot to get her in a place they actually like. Until they change her passive or change her ult, they won't have enough freedom to mess with her numbers in a better way.

The other method would be to get rid of her healing entirely because that's what causes the biggest issue. In that case, she is in trouble of losing her identity, but it would give freedom to give her more interesting spells/strategy

What's wrong with her ult?


It's the good ol' AoE ult syndrome. It limits what Riot can do for her champion skill set because the ult will always be really strong. I'm not saying that I think it's broken. I'm just mentioning that because of her ult, it makes changing her numbers/ratios a lot more difficult due to how reliant her kit is on her ult.
Kwahamot
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United States22 Posts
January 15 2015 20:12 GMT
#143
Have rune page setups change much from season 4 to season 5?
toriya
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
January 15 2015 20:29 GMT
#144
On January 16 2015 04:24 ketchup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2015 04:00 cLutZ wrote:
On January 16 2015 03:35 ketchup wrote:
Sorry to say, but Sona nerfs are always warranted. She has never been in a "good" place. Basically, her ult and passive make it very difficult for Riot to get her in a place they actually like. Until they change her passive or change her ult, they won't have enough freedom to mess with her numbers in a better way.

The other method would be to get rid of her healing entirely because that's what causes the biggest issue. In that case, she is in trouble of losing her identity, but it would give freedom to give her more interesting spells/strategy

What's wrong with her ult?


It's the good ol' AoE ult syndrome. It limits what Riot can do for her champion skill set because the ult will always be really strong. I'm not saying that I think it's broken. I'm just mentioning that because of her ult, it makes changing her numbers/ratios a lot more difficult due to how reliant her kit is on her ult.


You realize Orianna, Jarvan, Morgana, Leona, Maokai, Lulu, and Thresh all have AOE ults and are among some of the most stable champions in the game, right? Karthus, Malphite, Braum, Amumu, Anivia, Sejuani, Ziggs, and Zyra either have been stable and got overnerfed/powercreeped out of the game, or have the potential to fit in the game well.

The champions that are unstable in LOL are the assassins, lane bullies, and most things manaless. And Sona's problem is that her intended design is: Lane Bully into Ult Bot, but Riot doesn't like that power structure. The only solution for Riot, really, is to change Q and E into skillshot poke/snares respectively, so she has non-ult mid-lategame power. But that is just riot's problem that they don't like how Sona is supposed to work. Sona could work theoretically.
Freeeeeeedom
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-15 20:30:28
January 15 2015 20:29 GMT
#145
I can't remember to back before the "cc bug" will Blitz be able to grab Ezreal now?

i.e. the interaction on live if he starts arcane shifting as he's getting hit it will go off before he gets pulled into silence range.
Carrilord has arrived.
IamPryda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1186 Posts
January 15 2015 20:30 GMT
#146
On January 16 2015 05:12 Kwahamot wrote:
Have rune page setups change much from season 4 to season 5?

mainly jungler rune pages much harder to get away with scaling armor yellows or scaling health. I still do it on junglers like jarvan vi and lee though.
Moar banelings less qq
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-15 20:46:42
January 15 2015 20:45 GMT
#147
On January 16 2015 05:29 Slusher wrote:
I can't remember to back before the "cc bug" will Blitz be able to grab Ezreal now?

i.e. the interaction on live if he starts arcane shifting as he's getting hit it will go off before he gets pulled into silence range.

I think that's more flash taking precedence over the grab, don't think the cc change will affect this. Similarly I don't think Trist's delayed jump will be affected either (ie when blitz grabs trist during the cast animation for rocket jump, trist will jump after getting grabbed still).
Bronze player stuck in platinum
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
January 15 2015 20:46 GMT
#148
i just had a weird game where the enemy killed base towers in 2 hits oO
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-15 20:49:03
January 15 2015 20:46 GMT
#149
On January 16 2015 05:29 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2015 04:24 ketchup wrote:
On January 16 2015 04:00 cLutZ wrote:
On January 16 2015 03:35 ketchup wrote:
Sorry to say, but Sona nerfs are always warranted. She has never been in a "good" place. Basically, her ult and passive make it very difficult for Riot to get her in a place they actually like. Until they change her passive or change her ult, they won't have enough freedom to mess with her numbers in a better way.

The other method would be to get rid of her healing entirely because that's what causes the biggest issue. In that case, she is in trouble of losing her identity, but it would give freedom to give her more interesting spells/strategy

What's wrong with her ult?


It's the good ol' AoE ult syndrome. It limits what Riot can do for her champion skill set because the ult will always be really strong. I'm not saying that I think it's broken. I'm just mentioning that because of her ult, it makes changing her numbers/ratios a lot more difficult due to how reliant her kit is on her ult.


You realize Orianna, Jarvan, Morgana, Leona, Maokai, Lulu, and Thresh all have AOE ults and are among some of the most stable champions in the game, right? Karthus, Malphite, Braum, Amumu, Anivia, Sejuani, Ziggs, and Zyra either have been stable and got overnerfed/powercreeped out of the game, or have the potential to fit in the game well.

And Sona's problem is that her intended design is: Lane Bully into Ult Bot, but Riot doesn't like that power structure. The only solution for Riot, really, is to change Q and E into skillshot poke/snares respectively, so she has non-ult mid-lategame power. But that is just riot's problem that they don't like how Sona is supposed to work. Sona could work theoretically.


Your first paragraph is fairly irrelevant. Sure, they have designed other champions around their ults, and have done a relatively good job with them. That doesn't really have anything to do with Sona though.

Your second paragraph starting from the bolded setence is basically what I'm saying. I removed the irrelevant whine about assassin champions. The bolded part is basically a rephrasing of the same issue I've been speaking about. Again, I'm not saying her ult is broken. The problem is what her kit revolves around her ult. You cannot make kit changes without first addressing the issue with her ult. In that sense, I'd rather see them change her ult first, because I think it would make her a more interesting champion and open her up to a lot more possibilities.

I'm not entirely sure you disagree with me. It seems like you just disagree with how I'm saying it.
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
January 15 2015 20:54 GMT
#150
Are you ready for UoL being higher than TSM, VG and Gambit?
And actually, i'm interested now - if Samsung Galaxy KHAN are 15 and they're weakest team in OGN probably right now + powerranks have to have OMG, EDG, iG and LGD AT LEAST if not King.

C9 and Elements will make it, so we have one more slot from EU or UoL is top-2 EU by default :>
But it will be TL.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
January 15 2015 21:16 GMT
#151
On January 16 2015 05:46 ketchup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2015 05:29 cLutZ wrote:
On January 16 2015 04:24 ketchup wrote:
On January 16 2015 04:00 cLutZ wrote:
On January 16 2015 03:35 ketchup wrote:
Sorry to say, but Sona nerfs are always warranted. She has never been in a "good" place. Basically, her ult and passive make it very difficult for Riot to get her in a place they actually like. Until they change her passive or change her ult, they won't have enough freedom to mess with her numbers in a better way.

The other method would be to get rid of her healing entirely because that's what causes the biggest issue. In that case, she is in trouble of losing her identity, but it would give freedom to give her more interesting spells/strategy

What's wrong with her ult?


It's the good ol' AoE ult syndrome. It limits what Riot can do for her champion skill set because the ult will always be really strong. I'm not saying that I think it's broken. I'm just mentioning that because of her ult, it makes changing her numbers/ratios a lot more difficult due to how reliant her kit is on her ult.


You realize Orianna, Jarvan, Morgana, Leona, Maokai, Lulu, and Thresh all have AOE ults and are among some of the most stable champions in the game, right? Karthus, Malphite, Braum, Amumu, Anivia, Sejuani, Ziggs, and Zyra either have been stable and got overnerfed/powercreeped out of the game, or have the potential to fit in the game well.

And Sona's problem is that her intended design is: Lane Bully into Ult Bot, but Riot doesn't like that power structure. The only solution for Riot, really, is to change Q and E into skillshot poke/snares respectively, so she has non-ult mid-lategame power. But that is just riot's problem that they don't like how Sona is supposed to work. Sona could work theoretically.


Your first paragraph is fairly irrelevant. Sure, they have designed other champions around their ults, and have done a relatively good job with them. That doesn't really have anything to do with Sona though.

Your second paragraph starting from the bolded setence is basically what I'm saying. I removed the irrelevant whine about assassin champions. The bolded part is basically a rephrasing of the same issue I've been speaking about. Again, I'm not saying her ult is broken. The problem is what her kit revolves around her ult. You cannot make kit changes without first addressing the issue with her ult. In that sense, I'd rather see them change her ult first, because I think it would make her a more interesting champion and open her up to a lot more possibilities.

I'm not entirely sure you disagree with me. It seems like you just disagree with how I'm saying it.


No, because I don't think you can design a kit that riot would be capable of balancing (given their own parameters) with her QWE regardless of her ult.
Freeeeeeedom
Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
January 15 2015 21:24 GMT
#152
What does everyone think about the new little "gates" that are on both walls?

I think its nice to have a couple more options under your belt and also having another way in and out of your base.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
January 15 2015 21:26 GMT
#153
Ask Trick2g what he thinks about gates.
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
January 15 2015 21:49 GMT
#154
On January 16 2015 06:26 739 wrote:
Ask Trick2g what he thinks about gates.

I'd prefer to not hear his opinion on anything.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
January 15 2015 22:47 GMT
#155
On January 16 2015 06:24 Disengaged wrote:
What does everyone think about the new little "gates" that are on both walls?

I think its nice to have a couple more options under your belt and also having another way in and out of your base.

Played 2 ranked games today, didn't notice any difference in play regarding the gates.
liftlift > tsm
JonGalt
Profile Joined February 2013
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
January 15 2015 23:01 GMT
#156
On January 15 2015 20:22 739 wrote:
So I have my New Years resolutions that I will only play certain champion pool in S5.

I've decided to go with :

Rumble Top
Pantheon/Lee/Hecarim Jungle
Graves/Jinx ADC
Galio/Leona/Thresh Support
LeBlanc/Azir Mid

And I promised myself I'll only play those champions for the whole season. Wondering after how many games I'll decide to play something else, heh.


I am also going to do this.

Top: Diana (Aatrox backup)
Jungle: Diana (Aatrox backup)
Mid: Diana (Karma backup)
ADC: Ashe
Support: Karma

Focusing on that small champ pool to hopefully climb Elo quickly!

For Diana I have been going RoA -> dcap/zhona -> zhona/dcap -> abyssal -> void with lucidty boots (I run scaling CDR quints and 5% from masteries) somewhere in the mix. I usually grab a seekers or negatron somewhere in between as well as needed.

I am gonna try a super tanky build top lane someday too that starts RoA and has Sunfire/Omen/BVeil/Abyssal/Void/Liandries/Rylais/Zhona? Ionno. Still theorycrafting that one. But I basically wanna hit 40% CDR and don't worry about too much damage if my mid and adc can do the deeeps.
LiquidLegends StaffWho is Jon Galt?
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-15 23:36:11
January 15 2015 23:34 GMT
#157
I would avoid RoA on Diana, personally. The additional HP is really tempting but I think since she becomes immediately relevant and a kill threat in almost any lane at level 6, it's better to get a faster item on her. Probuilds agrees with me, it looks like: http://www.probuilds.net/champions/Diana

Depending on lane and matchup, I'll open with Haunting Guise (with no intent to upgrade to Liandry's), Abyssal, Zhonya's, or Morellonomicon. Very rarely if I'm getting dunked by another mage, I'll go Grail first. In the jungle, a little AS before pure AP is nice. RoA seems really really good on her, but it's just kinda awkward to fit into her build early, and later it feels underwhelming.

On tank/CDR Diana, Frozen Fist is really nice instead of Randuin's too. Just make sure you're adequately weaving auto attacks.
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
January 15 2015 23:35 GMT
#158
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LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
January 15 2015 23:38 GMT
#159
rammus can maybe reach wraiths with roll and homeguards with the new gates, didnt notice anything special about them, i guess in long LCS sieges we see some flanking. But solo queue is rarely that organized.
JonGalt
Profile Joined February 2013
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
January 15 2015 23:42 GMT
#160
On January 16 2015 08:34 gtrsrs wrote:
I would avoid RoA on Diana, personally. The additional HP is really tempting but I think since she becomes immediately relevant and a kill threat in almost any lane at level 6, it's better to get a faster item on her. Probuilds agrees with me, it looks like: http://www.probuilds.net/champions/Diana

Depending on lane and matchup, I'll open with Haunting Guise (with no intent to upgrade to Liandry's), Abyssal, Zhonya's, or Morellonomicon. Very rarely if I'm getting dunked by another mage, I'll go Grail first. In the jungle, a little AS before pure AP is nice. RoA seems really really good on her, but it's just kinda awkward to fit into her build early, and later it feels underwhelming.

On tank/CDR Diana, Frozen Fist is really nice instead of Randuin's too. Just make sure you're adequately weaving auto attacks.


Yeah I know what you mean. RoA I REALLY REALLY like when it's done. But it is awkward to build up to. I just really like the mana early on. Maybe I will try some double dring into zhona/dcap/abyssal. or the haunting guise. And the morello would allow me to get sorc boots instead of lucidity.

Thanks guitar! I will give it a try.
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