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As of page 44, no more placement QQ in GD.
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On January 21 2015 11:35 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2015 09:56 Amarok wrote:
The guy who said Riot just want to shake the meta so people don't get bored is spot on. It's immensely frustrating in its relentlessness. The main reason I'd stopped playing any of the champions I decided to stop playing a lot of champions is because they all got nerfed. It's fair for them to shake up the meta. I just wish it didn't make everything weaker. Show nested quote +On January 21 2015 10:27 Slayer91 wrote:On January 21 2015 10:18 cLutZ wrote:On January 21 2015 09:43 droserin wrote:On January 21 2015 08:43 cLutZ wrote:On January 21 2015 08:19 droserin wrote:On January 21 2015 08:08 Amui wrote:On January 21 2015 07:59 Eiii wrote:On January 21 2015 07:50 PrinceXizor wrote:
I think CertainlyT is just way too high. Darius thresh zed kalista Yasuo Zyra. funny how you just described a bunch of pretty cool champions (except darius) who just so happen to have interesting, flexible kits that grant them a bunch of innate potential for power. now what if every champion was like that???!?!??!?? Basically what I'm saying is that guy is gonna make league an interesting game, whether he has to drag the rest of riot screaming behind him or not. Zyra was the only champ in 3 years to have gotten hotfixed for being incredibly overpowered. Darius won every single lane, and would get one kill after another in lane. Thresh has been banpick forever, despite getting nerfed repeatedly, because broken levels of utility. Yasuo - windwall, numbers. Kalista - hello mobility creep. Release power level isn't a good sign of if a champion is good design. Any champion can be broken if you give them big numbers. A good design is a champion which doesn't wildly swing between op and useless from minor changes. Except you are describing Zed, Yasuo, and Darius who really are either super meta and crowding out champions or useless. Lee sin, on the other hand, just crowds out champions all the time. I was mostly refering to Zyra. It really annoys me when people say she was bad design because "hurp durp, she had to get hotfixed after a day" when afterwards she was fairly balanced for most of the time. Also, I think Riot's stance on Zed is reasonable. His assassination pattern is probably the healthiest of all the assassins in the game, but he does too much other stuff along with it. I agree Zyra could be fine. I don't think she can be fine as a support with high-base damage plants because there just isn't enough waveclear botlane during the lane phase. Also I agree Zed has a decent assassination pattern...but...there are no healthy assassination patterns in LOL, because unless Kassadin or Ryze are in the game the #1 and #2 Farm priority champions are squishies, which is not how it is in DOTA. So what? The whole point of assassins is high risk, high reward.. If it wasn't worth the effort to try to kill them then nobody would play assassins. Even if assassins made adcs completely nonviable it wouldn't break the game. ADC is the only type of champ that is in every game. You often don't see AP carries, don't see assassins, don't see bruisers, don't see tanks, don't see melee supports, don't see ranged supports, but you always see adcs. Games without adcs would be fun to see though I doubt we ever will, maybe if there's some duo lane combos that can match adc+support. Yeah, but aren't you worried about how hard it'd be for a team with no ADC to push down towers? Aside from AP centric attack speed champions, and some spellblade wielders, no one else has an ADC's damage to towers, and certainly no one with as much safety as the ADCs. Also ADC scaling tends to close out games. If tankiness outscaled damage then you'd see these lame ass slugfests with tanks hitting other tanks with pool noodles as weapons. I'd like to see it too. But I think it'd be best in some kind of special game mode like "no adc mode" where you're not allowed to get IE, PD, or Shiv. Just so if things go wrong, you don't need to revert everything to fix the meta.
Pushing towers is harder, but then you have to be more creative, poke or split push or dive comps or something, after all it's easier to dive when you don't have a member that's totally useless in a dive (the adc)
I don't know what you're talking about with no adc mode, you can just not pick an adc?
On January 21 2015 11:51 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2015 10:59 Slayer91 wrote:
Isn't every champion picked consistently in pro level a generalist pick? Nobody plays champs with weak laning phase (unless you count vayne lol), nobody picks champs that can't farm safe from the jungle etc Yes, you are getting there... Show nested quote +On January 21 2015 10:59 Slayer91 wrote:
The reason that it's difficult to design assassins with counterplay is that it's so hard to get past how strong supports are. You need to somehow get your damage off without being CC'd and insta killed. Zed's mechanics with lots of jumps and untargetable period works, because his damage is reliant on hitting certain spells so you can flash away or whatever.
Obviously assassins work on mages and supports but mages have zhonyas and supports aren't worth blowing up most of the time. But now you're off track again. The problem with assassins being generalists (which is not a problem with other champions, generally) is that they tend to be lane-dominant as well once they get their tools (Mostly at 6, earlier for Leblanc and Syndra), so they don't actually need kills to get farm. But if they get kills and the farm that starts a snowball in a way that it wont for non-assassins. So there isn't actually the high-risk part of the "high risk-high-reward" scenario you are sketching out. In teamfights, sometimes there is, but really not so much. We are in a teamfight meta right now that is focused on dragons, and the dominant midlaners are Zed, Leblanc, and Syndra with Lissandra (valued for being a flex), Kassadin, and Ahri in the next tier. Ori and Xerath are being picked a decent amount, but with crappy winrates.
What's wrong with assassins not needing kills to be strong? Nobody else does.
The action of trying to kill a squishy without being killed yourself is the high risk high reward part. I don't know why them being strong in the roaming and laning phases is a problem. After all, they tend to be weaker in teamfights as a rule than normal mages the more the game goes on, when supports start to get mikaels adcs get qss etc.
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Why people call Incarnati0n faker/apdo of eu?
He's god awful compared to master/challenger Koreans. Any random D1-D3 player from Korea would rekt him imo.
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On January 22 2015 01:11 Mensol wrote:
Why people call Incarnati0n faker/apdo of eu?
He's god awful compared to master/challenger Koreans. Any random D1-D3 player from Korea would rekt him imo.
Firstly all of that is conjecture and secondly they call him that because he's always top of the ladder and banned like apdo. It's more tongue and cheek then anything.
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On January 22 2015 01:11 Mensol wrote:
Why people call Incarnati0n faker/apdo of eu?
He's god awful compared to master/challenger Koreans. Any random D1-D3 player from Korea would rekt him imo.
He is usually at the top of EU solo que. Considering that during the World's bootcamp many EU pros got to Master/D1, with the limited time they had, I'd say that Incarnati0n would easily do it as well.
Sure, he's no where close to apdo in skill, but it's pretty easy to see the similarities in how the community has hyped their bad boy prodigy persona.
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I was under the impression only hai hit master
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On January 22 2015 02:48 Slusher wrote:
I was under the impression only hai hit master
Iirc, Hai, Rekkles, and Turtle hit Masters. Hai was the only one that hit Challenger.
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Rekkles for sure did not in the interview he did with deft he lamented this fact because they didn't get matched against one another on ladder because he failed to get very high
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I live on the East Coast so I get 40 ping and no packet loss on LAN, (while 90 ping and packet loss on NA) so im really considering of switching...
Only downside is the spanish voice overs sound ridicilous.
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Damn eu lcs casters are going to be pyratechnics/deficio/quickshot.Welp there goes the sound at eu lcs if I even bother.What a dissapointment.
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Inc placement matches streams!
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Alex Ich's challenger team got knocked out in first round of challenger NA.
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On January 22 2015 03:22 nafta wrote:
Damn eu lcs casters are going to be pyratechnics/deficio/quickshot.Welp there goes the sound at eu lcs if I even bother.What a dissapointment.
damn they only have 3 casters with a tighter schedule than last season?
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On January 22 2015 03:41 AsnSensation wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2015 03:22 nafta wrote:
Damn eu lcs casters are going to be pyratechnics/deficio/quickshot.Welp there goes the sound at eu lcs if I even bother.What a dissapointment. damn they only have 3 casters with a tighter schedule than last season?
Yup only those 3 for the moment.Hopefully they find someone more.
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
I heard a theory that they're really trying to get Krepo to round it out so are starting by putting him on analyst desk.
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I dont like any of the Eu casters, i guess i stay with ogn for quality and NA for their storylines.
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On January 22 2015 03:22 nafta wrote:
Damn eu lcs casters are going to be pyratechnics/deficio/quickshot.Welp there goes the sound at eu lcs if I even bother.What a dissapointment.
Quickshot is going to overcome Riv's highscore of shoutcasting for 2 weeks in a row.
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Bearded Elder29905 Posts
Placement games are a nightmare.
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I think... YES the season has started, because if thats not the reason for this unrelenting tide of rage then I don't know league at all.
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