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On December 23 2014 02:58 killerdog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2014 01:31 Prog wrote:On December 23 2014 01:22 wei2coolman wrote:On December 22 2014 23:11 Amui wrote:
Well I have a female friend who's diamond 1 and much better than I am so there's that.
I'm of the opinion that it is a cultural thing more than any actual physical limitation. It's one of those things that are so marred by cultural pressures that it's hard to do any strict scientific studies on. However things like reaction time, and spacial visualization ability have all been shown to favor males by a pretty large margin. Source(s)? After looking at 10+ papers, http://www.iosrphr.org/papers/v2i3/R023452454.pdf is the only one which seems to be even vaguely credible, but tbh that difference seems pretty minimal. (And even this one reads like a highschool psych project -.-) Besides, these low count studies don't account for the fact that top level players are likely to be in the top percentile of their gender with regards to reaction times anyway, and I can't find any research into whether the top x% of males are faster then the top x% of females, or if it's just the average curve is slightly lower for females, but they peak around the same place. Basically all these studies are irrelevant for the purposes of judging gender differences in top level athletes. Not to mention it completely ignores potential externalities, fx the possibility that traditional "male" activities (sports, gaming etc) potentially being very good conduits through which to train reaction time, something which can often be improved by 10-20% just through practice, which would more then cover the difference. Spacial visualization as an advantage in gaming just going into buzzword territory at this point though >.> I could just as easily say "women are better at multitasking so they should die to ganks less" and it would have just as much grounding in science. tldr: wei2 pls + Show Spoiler +Also found this amusing ![[image loading]](http://biology.clemson.edu/bpc/bp/Lab/110/Rxn_Review2.gif) New LCS strat of *slightly* arousing your opponents during pre-match interviews?
Also, you should use google scholar, not just google search.
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On December 22 2014 17:01 Slusher wrote:
ot did kill gd to a large extent
Given the recent pages of posts, I think wei2cancerman was what killed GD
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On December 23 2014 02:58 killerdog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2014 01:31 Prog wrote:On December 23 2014 01:22 wei2coolman wrote:On December 22 2014 23:11 Amui wrote:
Well I have a female friend who's diamond 1 and much better than I am so there's that.
I'm of the opinion that it is a cultural thing more than any actual physical limitation. It's one of those things that are so marred by cultural pressures that it's hard to do any strict scientific studies on. However things like reaction time, and spacial visualization ability have all been shown to favor males by a pretty large margin. Source(s)? Also found this amusing New LCS strat of *slightly* arousing your opponents during pre-match interviews?
If i read the graph in your spoiler correctly, that would be a horrible strategy. You want your reaction time to be low. So you should want to have your own players on a constant level of slight arousedness, while you would want to try to break the opposing team by making them either more or less aroused than ideal.
Of course, that only works if that is the only relevant effect of arousal onto the game. I would highly suspect that it might also influence strategic thinking and possibly multitasking, and the correct amount of arousal would vary from person to person anyways. There is some important research that needs to be done here.
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That graph is bad news for the young lads who are trying to fold their laptop when mom walks in.
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On December 23 2014 03:29 Slusher wrote:
That graph is bad news for the young lads who are trying to fold their laptop when mom walks in.
It's even worse news for the young lads looking at other non-arousing embarrassing things.
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On December 23 2014 03:15 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2014 01:31 Prog wrote:On December 23 2014 01:22 wei2coolman wrote:On December 22 2014 23:11 Amui wrote:
Well I have a female friend who's diamond 1 and much better than I am so there's that.
I'm of the opinion that it is a cultural thing more than any actual physical limitation. It's one of those things that are so marred by cultural pressures that it's hard to do any strict scientific studies on. However things like reaction time, and spacial visualization ability have all been shown to favor males by a pretty large margin. Source(s)? Spacial visualization comparisons have been shown in DAT testing (there's pretty significant difference between male and female for the spacial visualization section of DAT). This is probably the most well known documented report, but there are plenty of other studies that have shown similar results. There's been ton of reaction time studies showing same thing. Another thing to note is how normal curves tend to work, 1sd difference significantly impacts upperend when comparing two groups. @amui also cultural impact can also impacts genetic selection. Hunter gatherer relations have also been a natural selector in terms of gene pool.
I asked for sources, not for you to elaborate. If you are so sure that x has been shown in y then just link the paper. Can even be behind a paywall, lots of us here have access via uni anyway.
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You guys might not post in OT so you may not know, but wei is a bigot. Probably shouldn't listen to him.
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Given the general TL LoL discourse on gender and gaming, particularly gender and streaming, I do find it very difficult to believe anyone who thinks this small community is worth preserving as-is (with reference to the whole influx from curse thing (not that they'd make it any better)).
Going to throw it out there that I appreciate the excellent work that the TL writers put into the community and scene, even if mere appreciation doesn't do anything to address the issues that caused content production to stop.
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On December 23 2014 03:58 Ketara wrote:
You guys might not post in OT so you may not know, but wei is a bigot. Probably shouldn't listen to him.
What? I wasn't aware stating gender differences made me a bigot.
On December 23 2014 03:55 Prog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2014 03:15 wei2coolman wrote:On December 23 2014 01:31 Prog wrote:On December 23 2014 01:22 wei2coolman wrote:On December 22 2014 23:11 Amui wrote:
Well I have a female friend who's diamond 1 and much better than I am so there's that.
I'm of the opinion that it is a cultural thing more than any actual physical limitation. It's one of those things that are so marred by cultural pressures that it's hard to do any strict scientific studies on. However things like reaction time, and spacial visualization ability have all been shown to favor males by a pretty large margin. Source(s)? Spacial visualization comparisons have been shown in DAT testing (there's pretty significant difference between male and female for the spacial visualization section of DAT). This is probably the most well known documented report, but there are plenty of other studies that have shown similar results. There's been ton of reaction time studies showing same thing. Another thing to note is how normal curves tend to work, 1sd difference significantly impacts upperend when comparing two groups. @amui also cultural impact can also impacts genetic selection. Hunter gatherer relations have also been a natural selector in terms of gene pool. I asked for sources, not for you to elaborate. If you are so sure that x has been shown in y then just link the paper. Can even be behind a paywall, lots of us here have access via uni anyway.
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01067434
This one is a meta study.
http://www.amsciepub.com/doi/pdf/10.2466/pms.1970.31.2.610
This is one that's more interesting. Gender difference tied into genetic correlation.
Also, you can look for dat score data breakdown between gender.
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On December 23 2014 04:02 krndandaman wrote:
are we seriously discussing whether girls are genetically better or worse at games in this thread?
friends, pls
Can we pls focus on the key issue here, now that warwick's damage has been kneecapped is it time to finally put him in support?
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On December 23 2014 04:02 krndandaman wrote:
are we seriously discussing whether girls are genetically better or worse at games in this thread?
friends, pls
you mistake not letting someone off the hook for a ridiculous statement w/o a source for having any inkling that he might be right.
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On December 23 2014 04:02 krndandaman wrote:
are we seriously discussing whether girls are genetically better or worse at games in this thread?
friends, pls
Well, whenever anyone wants to talk about balance and game design issues everyone shouts them down just as much.
What exactly would you have us discuss? The merit's of changing raptors from red to orange? Amumu vs. Sejuani part XXXVIII?
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Speaking of whom, I played Sejuani with W > E > Q 3 times on the other day and I do think that it is the way to go. Sorry for my uninformed criticism to Diamond.
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On December 23 2014 04:02 krndandaman wrote:
are we seriously discussing whether girls are genetically better or worse at games in this thread?
friends, pls
They are better than guys, just wait. Before you know it, LCS is 80% asian girls and 20% trannies.
Source: me
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On December 23 2014 05:24 Sponkz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2014 04:02 krndandaman wrote:
are we seriously discussing whether girls are genetically better or worse at games in this thread?
friends, pls They are better than guys, just wait. Before you know it, LCS is 80% asian girls and 20% trannies. Source: me
All hail Scyzx17iforgothername
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Clearing men are better at videos games because a woman's brain is the size of a squirrels. Just read doctor yamuka's study, very cutting edge stuff out of kazakhstan
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Posting cos Liquid should pick up a curse team. I don't know the ins and outs but I always thought it would be more TL style to pick up curse academy, being up n comers (other than saint).
LiquidLeague #thedream
Also Lissandra coming in to meta is so great, loved her since release one of my favourite champs.
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gonna throw in another point for correlation is not causation
it is shown that playing video games increases spacial awareness. and that a woman who previously scored lower than a man on a test, after they both play video games for a while, will perform just as well.
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