[Patch 4.21] Rek'Sai General Discussion - Page 39

On December 22 2014 03:23 Numy wrote:


Sigh. Getting a team(Which is 100% rumours atm) won't suddenly make coverage appeara. People, volunteers are the ones that produce the content and guess what, they USED to have fantastic OGN coverage and LCS coverage. TL admin just didn't support it at the time so most of the guys either lost passion or moved on to write at other places. Look at TL HS or Dota, both are primarily volunteer based even though TL has a team. Hell I think HS only really gets active content because Monk is a huge beast.

I think Fionn still does stuff every now and then but doubt guys will just come back because TL says "our bad guys we totally love you and respect your content now". Anyway again I don't really care about them picking up a team, just don't really want them to pull a TLDota where they forced the community to break up.

Basically the reason TL LoL coverage was unsuccessful was mainly 2fold

1. Riot wanted to maintain absolute controll over the scene and coverage and was able to pay the best writers from each community website to write for them instead, even from TL we have Neo, Fionn, and Chexx. Can you really expect to build up a strong community site and do coverage if the people making the game are actively trying to prevent you from doing it while producing Riot-approved superiorcontent?

2. Covering NA/EU - like why would you cover the 2 weakest scenes, compete against RIOTESPORTS, and devote manpower to writing about something that everybody who follows LoL has a thousand sources to when what TL does best is the opposite of regular coverage that's churned out. Why the focus wasn't on using our roots and connection in Korean Esports to cover the strongest scene in the world in something unique, valuable, and pitched for the hardcore fans was beyond me.

Those two were a pair of reasons why TL LoL coverage would never have succeeded in the end no matter what. All other reasons like "lack of TL support" are all excuses to cover up something that fundamentally had no hope of working given the path it was taking and business environment it was competing in.


I agree that our content in of itself taken out of isolation was great. But you're talking about your personal experience as opposed to the grand scheme NA coverage. No matter how good the content was, what is its ability to compete when people had a number of other sources to choose from, including the official riot coverage of the scene plastered onto the front of the game client?

For an individual writer, the best case scenario while covering NA/EU was to write until you get noticed, then get picked up by Riot. Where does that leave TL coverage of those scenes in the long run, in a treadmill of inputting in insane amount of effort for something that has no logical avenue of success. It quickly became thankless and I'm amazed by the hard work and dedication that you guys put into it.

On December 22 2014 14:13 Kupon3ss wrote:


What happened to TL's LoL coverage actually has very little to do with what amount of "support" would mean.

I shared some thought 2 months ago about why our cover, and in fact any non-riot-approved coverage is more or less impossible to succeed and this really has not changed. I sincerely hope (and in fact has advocated for years now) that liquidlol.com or any Liquid investment into covering league should go all in into the Eastern scenes and just completely ignore the jokes of leagues that are the LCS's.

On December 22 2014 14:21 cLutZ wrote:
It also doesn't help that the subreddit rules are stacked against producers of OC that aren't Riot. And that TL style writing takes too long to read to get the real wave of upvotes that reddit favors in its algorithms.

On December 22 2014 15:00 wei2coolman wrote:

The most TL upvoted things on reddit tended to be a) the ultimate guides (there were like 2 I think? panth + fizz that got a lot of rave). b) korean interview stuff by chexx, and c) joke threads (curse hype thread).

Also this.
https://twitter.com/ggCMonteCristo/status/546669321246613505

On December 22 2014 15:21 TheYango wrote:
Anyone else feel offended that he considers our "superb community" to be "lost"?

On December 22 2014 15:21 TheYango wrote:
Anyone else feel offended that he considers our "superb community" to be "lost"?


As much as you like to disagree with Kupon, he raises a point that has been echoed by others in the LoL staff discussions--that half-assing LCS coverage wasn't worth the time that could be spent on the Asian leagues given how pretty much anyone with enough knowledge to care about long analysis articles also knew that the general level of play in the western leagues was too shit to be worth analyzing compared to OGN.

EDIT: Though you're also probably one of the people who doesn't need to be told this, given your involvement in our OGN coverage.

On December 22 2014 15:30 Chexx wrote:


I echoed it to parts too but you cant ignore the biggest fanbase completely. There is still great stuff left to cover.

On December 22 2014 15:21 TheYango wrote:
Anyone else feel offended that he considers our "superb community" to be "lost"?

On December 22 2014 15:35 Kupon3ss wrote:
I agree, but that brings up the second problem.

You're writing something for TL, and a guy from riot contacts you with a contracted position for some pieces. What do you do?

I think Neo, Fionn, and you have all had this happen. The better TL coverage is, the more often that will occur, and the worse off TL coverage will be; which is a happily self-correcting amount of riot-approval where TL allowed to exist as a coverage hub, but only at the whim of riot and not allowed to interfere with or compete with its own approved coverage in any meaningful way.

On December 22 2014 17:12 justiceknight wrote:
regarding AP masteries, how do i know which 1 is better to take for my AP hero? the biscuit or the 20% buff? I am trying out the biscuit at the moment for sustain since the 7 mins blue is kinda too long for me.