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On December 23 2014 05:26 krndandaman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2014 04:52 Slusher wrote:On December 23 2014 04:02 krndandaman wrote:
are we seriously discussing whether girls are genetically better or worse at games in this thread?
friends, pls you mistake not letting someone off the hook for a ridiculous statement w/o a source for having any inkling that he might be right. so if someone comes here and claims the sky is red, do we all have some moral obligation to dispute that fact or something? if its dumb just ignore it. thats the best way to let it get swept under and avoid derailing any discussion that actually has to do with league of legends Show nested quote +On December 23 2014 05:10 cLutZ wrote:On December 23 2014 04:02 krndandaman wrote:
are we seriously discussing whether girls are genetically better or worse at games in this thread?
friends, pls Well, whenever anyone wants to talk about balance and game design issues everyone shouts them down just as much. What exactly would you have us discuss? The merit's of changing raptors from red to orange? Amumu vs. Sejuani part XXXVIII? dunno exactly what you're getting at. I feel like you're saying that there's nothing worth discussing and even if there is, people here don't give a shit. if thats what you're saying, thats a different issue altogether and I don't know how to respond to that.
More on the second point, but it's more of just a via in what people generally decide to respond to. You get 30 pages on Ww support. Meanwhile, a few people here were generally ignored over 8ish months talking about how Renekton was a problem for the pro scene because of his safe, endless, early aggression; until Riot make the famous "Renekton bar" statement. Then lo and behold, Renekton was fixed, mostly, by making his earlygame weaker, and weakening early top snowballiness.
Or more recently the Janna guy came in and basically wanted to tell everyone the future, and made some quality posts about it, but the was like 1 page.
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I know why you choose to take refuge in Off Topic.
I know why you're afraid to post real content in GD.
The wei2coolman.
See, wei2coolman has shown TL LoL your true colors unfortunately.
It's simple. We ban the wei2coolman.
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On December 23 2014 03:25 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2014 02:58 killerdog wrote:On December 23 2014 01:31 Prog wrote:On December 23 2014 01:22 wei2coolman wrote:On December 22 2014 23:11 Amui wrote:
Well I have a female friend who's diamond 1 and much better than I am so there's that.
I'm of the opinion that it is a cultural thing more than any actual physical limitation. It's one of those things that are so marred by cultural pressures that it's hard to do any strict scientific studies on. However things like reaction time, and spacial visualization ability have all been shown to favor males by a pretty large margin. Source(s)? After looking at 10+ papers, http://www.iosrphr.org/papers/v2i3/R023452454.pdf is the only one which seems to be even vaguely credible, but tbh that difference seems pretty minimal. (And even this one reads like a highschool psych project -.-) Besides, these low count studies don't account for the fact that top level players are likely to be in the top percentile of their gender with regards to reaction times anyway, and I can't find any research into whether the top x% of males are faster then the top x% of females, or if it's just the average curve is slightly lower for females, but they peak around the same place. Basically all these studies are irrelevant for the purposes of judging gender differences in top level athletes. Not to mention it completely ignores potential externalities, fx the possibility that traditional "male" activities (sports, gaming etc) potentially being very good conduits through which to train reaction time, something which can often be improved by 10-20% just through practice, which would more then cover the difference. Spacial visualization as an advantage in gaming just going into buzzword territory at this point though >.> I could just as easily say "women are better at multitasking so they should die to ganks less" and it would have just as much grounding in science. tldr: wei2 pls + Show Spoiler +Also found this amusing ![[image loading]](http://biology.clemson.edu/bpc/bp/Lab/110/Rxn_Review2.gif) New LCS strat of *slightly* arousing your opponents during pre-match interviews? Also, you should use google scholar, not just google search.
I did, still no relevant studies on reaction time judging edge cases/high performers only, only gender averages. Also nothing which takes into account potential gender differences in exposure to activites which promote training reaction time.
Also you can't just run around saying "spatial awareness" without some form of evidence that that is actually relevant in League, and moreso relevant then multitasking
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On December 23 2014 06:37 killerdog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2014 03:25 wei2coolman wrote:On December 23 2014 02:58 killerdog wrote:On December 23 2014 01:31 Prog wrote:On December 23 2014 01:22 wei2coolman wrote:On December 22 2014 23:11 Amui wrote:
Well I have a female friend who's diamond 1 and much better than I am so there's that.
I'm of the opinion that it is a cultural thing more than any actual physical limitation. It's one of those things that are so marred by cultural pressures that it's hard to do any strict scientific studies on. However things like reaction time, and spacial visualization ability have all been shown to favor males by a pretty large margin. Source(s)? After looking at 10+ papers, http://www.iosrphr.org/papers/v2i3/R023452454.pdf is the only one which seems to be even vaguely credible, but tbh that difference seems pretty minimal. (And even this one reads like a highschool psych project -.-) Besides, these low count studies don't account for the fact that top level players are likely to be in the top percentile of their gender with regards to reaction times anyway, and I can't find any research into whether the top x% of males are faster then the top x% of females, or if it's just the average curve is slightly lower for females, but they peak around the same place. Basically all these studies are irrelevant for the purposes of judging gender differences in top level athletes. Not to mention it completely ignores potential externalities, fx the possibility that traditional "male" activities (sports, gaming etc) potentially being very good conduits through which to train reaction time, something which can often be improved by 10-20% just through practice, which would more then cover the difference. Spacial visualization as an advantage in gaming just going into buzzword territory at this point though >.> I could just as easily say "women are better at multitasking so they should die to ganks less" and it would have just as much grounding in science. tldr: wei2 pls + Show Spoiler +Also found this amusing New LCS strat of *slightly* arousing your opponents during pre-match interviews? Also, you should use google scholar, not just google search. I did, still no relevant studies on reaction time judging edge cases/high performers only, only gender averages. Also nothing which takes into account potential gender differences in exposure to activites which promote training reaction time. Also you can't just run around saying "spatial awareness" without some form of evidence that that is actually relevant in League, and moreso relevant then multitasking
I never said it directly tied into video games, I just said gender difference exists in specific categories that might loosely do with videogames. Ya'll the ones over reading into what I mentioned.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22739331
Also this. Top athletes happy?
earlier I made the point of comparing groups with normal distributions and different averages can have significant population differences in upperend of the curve. here's some math regarding just 1 sd difference in average.
For examples if we have 2 normal curve groups, group a is 1 sd below group b.
at group b's upper 1 sd, only 15.9% of group b's population falls at the upper 1 sd. meanwhile, for group a (assuming similar sd breakdown), it's 2 sd away from group a's average, only 2.3% of group a's population falls in the upper end. It gets worse as we push the upperends of normal curves.
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wei2 has more posts than you killerdog, 10 times more, so he must be right
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On December 23 2014 00:50 AlterKot wrote:
I didn't actually like LCS coverage all that much. It seemed forced in a way and boring, whereas OGN coverage was big part of what got me into KR League. Maybe that's because OGN coverage was the mix of accessible stuff (power rankings, "storylines", player trivia) and more advanced things (drafts and strategies). Whereas there's so much accessible stuff about LCS on the Internet already that the only things worth covering are drafts and strategies. Not to mention that Korea was historically full of diferent strategies and playstyles and a lot of Western top teams are defined by whether they are strategical (C9, SK, Crs) or relying on individual talent of the players (Fnatic, TSM, Alliance). If it were up to me I'd say focus on Korea/China coverage and only do Western if a writer finds something interesting about it.
Not to mention back then I don't think OGN was doing the Champions rebroadcasts so if you missed it, like most of the west and a vast majority of the America's, you were boned if there wasn't a sub you could get vods from.
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On December 23 2014 07:28 RouaF wrote:
wei2 has more posts than you killerdog, 10 times more, so he must be right
fuck, i concede the point
On December 23 2014 06:17 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2014 05:26 krndandaman wrote:On December 23 2014 04:52 Slusher wrote:On December 23 2014 04:02 krndandaman wrote:
are we seriously discussing whether girls are genetically better or worse at games in this thread?
friends, pls you mistake not letting someone off the hook for a ridiculous statement w/o a source for having any inkling that he might be right. so if someone comes here and claims the sky is red, do we all have some moral obligation to dispute that fact or something? if its dumb just ignore it. thats the best way to let it get swept under and avoid derailing any discussion that actually has to do with league of legends On December 23 2014 05:10 cLutZ wrote:On December 23 2014 04:02 krndandaman wrote:
are we seriously discussing whether girls are genetically better or worse at games in this thread?
friends, pls Well, whenever anyone wants to talk about balance and game design issues everyone shouts them down just as much. What exactly would you have us discuss? The merit's of changing raptors from red to orange? Amumu vs. Sejuani part XXXVIII? dunno exactly what you're getting at. I feel like you're saying that there's nothing worth discussing and even if there is, people here don't give a shit. if thats what you're saying, thats a different issue altogether and I don't know how to respond to that. More on the second point, but it's more of just a via in what people generally decide to respond to. You get 30 pages on Ww support. Meanwhile, a few people here were generally ignored over 8ish months talking about how Renekton was a problem for the pro scene because of his safe, endless, early aggression; until Riot make the famous "Renekton bar" statement. Then lo and behold, Renekton was fixed, mostly, by making his earlygame weaker, and weakening early top snowballiness. Or more recently the Janna guy came in and basically wanted to tell everyone the future, and made some quality posts about it, but the was like 1 page.
I think it's just a case of you can't really have an extended discussion if everyone agrees on it. Like I could come in and say "janna is a good support", and someone else goes "yeah," everyones views have been expressed, and unless someone has some specific desire to discuss some specific facet of janna, the topic is over. Same with Renekton. Everyone agreed that renekton was strong and prevented certain top lane picks, so there wasn't much to talk about outside of "maybe riot will rework renekton." Then riot makes an official statement on their balance policy, and suddenly we have an issue where people disagree on whether their style of balancing (nerfing the offending champion) is correct or not, whether champion power curves should be level etc.
Whereas if someone comes in and immediately makes a post people have strong, differing opinions on, eg "ww support is good," "Gender based physical traits are a non negligible factor in there being few female progamers" or "the sky is red" then you have discourse. Someone else posts going "You're wrong because X" they go "i'm right because Y" and you have discussion. Sure, sometimes discussion goes on for too long, or turns into just arguing for the sake of it, with no actual points being made, but at the heart of it, discussion is two people disagreeing, and exchanging counterpoints until one of them convinces the other, or they agree to disagree.
I mean we could turn into reddit, where if we agree with a post we just quote it and get pages of "i agree" or "this" or "great post bro," but I don't think anyone really wants that~
+ Show Spoiler +Also my accounts older, does that count for nothing?!?!?!? :p
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i made some research and came to an scienctific conclusion:
+ Show Spoiler +On December 18 2014 07:52 Onekobold wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2014 07:39 Alzadar wrote:
Well that's the thing, gaming obviously isn't a sexual trait, but it's something men do somewhat more than women. Does that make it masculine? it is in the dna of men to enjoy video games, an evolutionary trait from thousands of years of owning noobs
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OK guys. Instead of all the gender superiority theories, does anyone want to play some normals???
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On December 23 2014 08:58 Sufficiency wrote:
OK guys. Instead of all the gender superiority theories, does anyone want to play some normals???
Normals? Ugh.
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On December 23 2014 08:58 Sufficiency wrote:
OK guys. Instead of all the gender superiority theories, does anyone want to play some normals???
I'm working on leveling a new account for the offseason if you don't mind playing with that I'm down pm me your summoner name
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On December 23 2014 09:13 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2014 08:58 Sufficiency wrote:
OK guys. Instead of all the gender superiority theories, does anyone want to play some normals??? Normals? Ugh.
All the cool people are doing it
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On December 23 2014 09:36 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2014 09:13 Gahlo wrote:On December 23 2014 08:58 Sufficiency wrote:
OK guys. Instead of all the gender superiority theories, does anyone want to play some normals??? Normals? Ugh. All the cool people are doing it
Yeah cause they are banned from ranked.
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are the NA servers really bad these days? I keep disconnecting and it just feels laggy for no reason.
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Started playing Vel'koz support recently, and it's basically just the best support out there. Feels pretty good one shotting some crappy support like Janna.
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Hmm.
Has anyone noticed that quadra kills are really really hard to get compared to triples/pentas?
The delay between the third and fourth kill counting towards the quadra is really really short while the 5th kill can come after like 20s?
I got 3 quadras in one game and only got the callout for one of them.
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^ tell me, i had dozen quadras and only 1 penta ever
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well the way the penta timer is these days, if someone is still alive when you hit 4, you can probly get 5, like I don't have sick Lee mechanics by any means but I have a penta with him because 30 sec is a super long time to run someone down playing Lee
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