EPTYou can't just start working without a contract. Especially with the money involved here.
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
You can't just start working without a contract. Especially with the money involved here. | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On September 09 2014 07:33 wei2coolman wrote: Ocelete could have just as easily said "no". Ocelote might have thought he was buying on a trial basis and LS didn't do much to disavow him of that notion Which makes a lot of sense if the consulting is that expensive. It's more likely/possible that LS charged him the same rate for material creation (IE the vods) which would normally not be charged for. This seems more likely since LS didn't give specific billable hours. 10-14 hours? What did you do for four hours that you aren't sure of when you're working for 200 an hour? | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On September 09 2014 07:41 Goumindong wrote: Ocelote might have thought he was buying on a trial basis and LS didn't do much to disavow him of that notion Which makes a lot of sense if the consulting is that expensive. It's more likely/possible that LS charged him the same rate for material creation (IE the vods) which would normally not be charged for. This seems more likely since LS didn't give specific billable hours. 10-14 hours? What did you do for four hours that you aren't sure of when you're working for 200 an hour? Goes to show how dumb LS is on the matter. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 09 2014 07:42 Sufficiency wrote: Goes to show how dumb LS is on the matter. Both sides are dumb. But, I will say this, LS doesn't seem to have any issues with other teams being billed for his coaching. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
It's mind boggling as to why there are no contracts in place when the fee is close to 200 dollars an hour. That's potentially thousands of dollars involved. Not to mention this "trial period" is vert sketchy and needs to be well defined. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On September 09 2014 07:43 wei2coolman wrote: Both sides are dumb. But, I will say this, LS doesn't seem to have any issues with other teams being billed for his coaching. Also G2 is not being dumb here. It was shady, but LS essentially cannot disprove G2's theory. | ||
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IamPryda
United States1186 Posts
On September 09 2014 06:28 Klonere wrote: oh baby http://www.dailydot.com/esports/ocelote-lastshadow-de-cesare-payment-argument/ Did he at one time take people's money for lessons and then not give said lessons? Karmas a bitch | ||
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
No one is going to hire him in the future. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On September 09 2014 07:32 Goumindong wrote: Not sure about Europe but in the US verbal contracts are still binding. If he has chat logs it could easily be settled in court. That being said who would pay 200 dollars an hour for coaching? Holy fuck $32,000 a month for a coach? That is a yearly salary for an LCS player (before sponsorships and streaming) you could buy a b team for that much money that isn't how hourly works you don't just multiply it out | ||
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Disengaged
United States6994 Posts
On September 09 2014 08:03 johnnywup wrote: why is LS still in esports lmao he caused drama in sc2, he causes drama in LoL. and that price is fucking ridiculous. i mean it seems he's in the right here but no matter where he goes he brings drama with him :x The same reason why thorin is still in esports. Both of them are a plague in esports that refuses to be "cured" | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
Yes, in the US a contract only requires a meeting of the minds, thus voice chat / IM chat logs can be used as a basis to establish a contract. But ultimately the the contract needs to be interpreted in court, which can be very difficult when it is in a loose form. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On September 09 2014 08:16 MooMooMugi wrote: I just find it funny that any team in their right mind would pay him $175 a hour for his "coaching" Drophack Millennium during relegation matches isn't a viable strategy? | ||
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On September 09 2014 08:36 SagaZ wrote: wtf did I just read, who writes articles about that kind of stuff... it's funny when it's a blog post or a thread on TL calling out someone, but an article? it's just sad from both parties and especially the "reporter" You know what the best part of that article is? He (Lastshadow) estimates the total amount of coaching to be somewhere between 12 and 14 hours. He doesn't even know himself how much money he should be charging. | ||
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Complete
United States1864 Posts
how does vayne deal 87 magic damage damage to champions? | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
possibly Leona but still kinda low | ||
GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
@Synediak @yowatscrckn @Insel3 @Im_ls Before writing the article I read through every chat log, watched every vid. Again,there's no argument | ||
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