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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
September 08 2014 22:39 GMT
#1481
The LS drama is so dumb.

You can't just start working without a contract. Especially with the money involved here.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
September 08 2014 22:41 GMT
#1482
On September 09 2014 07:33 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2014 07:32 Goumindong wrote:
Not sure about Europe but in the US verbal contracts are still binding. If he has chat logs it could easily be settled in court.

That being said who would pay 200 dollars an hour for coaching? Holy fuck $32,000 a month for a coach? That is a yearly salary for an LCS player (before sponsorships and streaming) you could buy a b team for that much money

Ocelete could have just as easily said "no".


Ocelote might have thought he was buying on a trial basis and LS didn't do much to disavow him of that notion Which makes a lot of sense if the consulting is that expensive. It's more likely/possible that LS charged him the same rate for material creation (IE the vods) which would normally not be charged for. This seems more likely since LS didn't give specific billable hours. 10-14 hours? What did you do for four hours that you aren't sure of when you're working for 200 an hour?
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
September 08 2014 22:42 GMT
#1483
On September 09 2014 07:41 Goumindong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2014 07:33 wei2coolman wrote:
On September 09 2014 07:32 Goumindong wrote:
Not sure about Europe but in the US verbal contracts are still binding. If he has chat logs it could easily be settled in court.

That being said who would pay 200 dollars an hour for coaching? Holy fuck $32,000 a month for a coach? That is a yearly salary for an LCS player (before sponsorships and streaming) you could buy a b team for that much money

Ocelete could have just as easily said "no".


Ocelote might have thought he was buying on a trial basis and LS didn't do much to disavow him of that notion Which makes a lot of sense if the consulting is that expensive. It's more likely/possible that LS charged him the same rate for material creation (IE the vods) which would normally not be charged for. This seems more likely since LS didn't give specific billable hours. 10-14 hours? What did you do for four hours that you aren't sure of when you're working for 200 an hour?


Goes to show how dumb LS is on the matter.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 08 2014 22:43 GMT
#1484
On September 09 2014 07:42 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2014 07:41 Goumindong wrote:
On September 09 2014 07:33 wei2coolman wrote:
On September 09 2014 07:32 Goumindong wrote:
Not sure about Europe but in the US verbal contracts are still binding. If he has chat logs it could easily be settled in court.

That being said who would pay 200 dollars an hour for coaching? Holy fuck $32,000 a month for a coach? That is a yearly salary for an LCS player (before sponsorships and streaming) you could buy a b team for that much money

Ocelete could have just as easily said "no".


Ocelote might have thought he was buying on a trial basis and LS didn't do much to disavow him of that notion Which makes a lot of sense if the consulting is that expensive. It's more likely/possible that LS charged him the same rate for material creation (IE the vods) which would normally not be charged for. This seems more likely since LS didn't give specific billable hours. 10-14 hours? What did you do for four hours that you aren't sure of when you're working for 200 an hour?


Goes to show how dumb LS is on the matter.

Both sides are dumb. But, I will say this, LS doesn't seem to have any issues with other teams being billed for his coaching.
liftlift > tsm
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
September 08 2014 22:46 GMT
#1485
He either got lucky, or other teams weren't paying him.

It's mind boggling as to why there are no contracts in place when the fee is close to 200 dollars an hour. That's potentially thousands of dollars involved. Not to mention this "trial period" is vert sketchy and needs to be well defined.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
September 08 2014 22:47 GMT
#1486
On September 09 2014 07:43 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2014 07:42 Sufficiency wrote:
On September 09 2014 07:41 Goumindong wrote:
On September 09 2014 07:33 wei2coolman wrote:
On September 09 2014 07:32 Goumindong wrote:
Not sure about Europe but in the US verbal contracts are still binding. If he has chat logs it could easily be settled in court.

That being said who would pay 200 dollars an hour for coaching? Holy fuck $32,000 a month for a coach? That is a yearly salary for an LCS player (before sponsorships and streaming) you could buy a b team for that much money

Ocelete could have just as easily said "no".


Ocelote might have thought he was buying on a trial basis and LS didn't do much to disavow him of that notion Which makes a lot of sense if the consulting is that expensive. It's more likely/possible that LS charged him the same rate for material creation (IE the vods) which would normally not be charged for. This seems more likely since LS didn't give specific billable hours. 10-14 hours? What did you do for four hours that you aren't sure of when you're working for 200 an hour?


Goes to show how dumb LS is on the matter.

Both sides are dumb. But, I will say this, LS doesn't seem to have any issues with other teams being billed for his coaching.


Also G2 is not being dumb here. It was shady, but LS essentially cannot disprove G2's theory.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
IamPryda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1186 Posts
September 08 2014 22:51 GMT
#1487
On September 09 2014 06:28 Klonere wrote:
oh baby

http://www.dailydot.com/esports/ocelote-lastshadow-de-cesare-payment-argument/

Did he at one time take people's money for lessons and then not give said lessons? Karmas a bitch
Moar banelings less qq
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-08 23:05:07
September 08 2014 23:03 GMT
#1488
why is LS still in esports lmao he caused drama in sc2, he causes drama in LoL. and that price is fucking ridiculous. i mean it seems he's in the right here but no matter where he goes he brings drama with him :x
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
September 08 2014 23:06 GMT
#1489
Well the kid is pretty dumb to not sign a contract with G2 on the coaching matter then put G2 on the coirt of public opinion.

No one is going to hire him in the future.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
September 08 2014 23:13 GMT
#1490
On September 09 2014 07:32 Goumindong wrote:
Not sure about Europe but in the US verbal contracts are still binding. If he has chat logs it could easily be settled in court.

That being said who would pay 200 dollars an hour for coaching? Holy fuck $32,000 a month for a coach? That is a yearly salary for an LCS player (before sponsorships and streaming) you could buy a b team for that much money

that isn't how hourly works you don't just multiply it out
Carrilord has arrived.
Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
September 08 2014 23:15 GMT
#1491
On September 09 2014 08:03 johnnywup wrote:
why is LS still in esports lmao he caused drama in sc2, he causes drama in LoL. and that price is fucking ridiculous. i mean it seems he's in the right here but no matter where he goes he brings drama with him :x


The same reason why thorin is still in esports.

Both of them are a plague in esports that refuses to be "cured"
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-08 23:16:45
September 08 2014 23:16 GMT
#1492
I just find it funny that any team in their right mind would pay him $175 a hour for his "coaching"
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
September 08 2014 23:21 GMT
#1493
To the comment regarding binding contract:

Yes, in the US a contract only requires a meeting of the minds, thus voice chat / IM chat logs can be used as a basis to establish a contract. But ultimately the the contract needs to be interpreted in court, which can be very difficult when it is in a loose form.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
September 08 2014 23:22 GMT
#1494
On September 09 2014 08:16 MooMooMugi wrote:
I just find it funny that any team in their right mind would pay him $175 a hour for his "coaching"

Drophack Millennium during relegation matches isn't a viable strategy?
Freeeeeeedom
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
September 08 2014 23:36 GMT
#1495
wtf did I just read, who writes articles about that kind of stuff... it's funny when it's a blog post or a thread on TL calling out someone, but an article? it's just sad from both parties and especially the "reporter"
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
September 08 2014 23:37 GMT
#1496
On September 09 2014 08:36 SagaZ wrote:
wtf did I just read, who writes articles about that kind of stuff... it's funny when it's a blog post or a thread on TL calling out someone, but an article? it's just sad from both parties and especially the "reporter"


You know what the best part of that article is?

He (Lastshadow) estimates the total amount of coaching to be somewhere between 12 and 14 hours.


He doesn't even know himself how much money he should be charging.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Complete
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1864 Posts
September 08 2014 23:38 GMT
#1497
hmm

how does vayne deal 87 magic damage damage to champions?
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
September 08 2014 23:42 GMT
#1498
Stuff like Thornmail, Nami's E, etc.? Sure she prob doesn't have thornmail, and she'd have more if she laned with Nami, but these are examples, don't have every source off the top of my mind.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-08 23:43:21
September 08 2014 23:42 GMT
#1499
really bad coordination with a sona or nami support?

possibly Leona but still kinda low
Carrilord has arrived.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
September 08 2014 23:45 GMT
#1500
Richard Lewis ‏@RLewisReports 3h
@Synediak @yowatscrckn @Insel3 @Im_ls Before writing the article I read through every chat log, watched every vid. Again,there's no argument
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
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