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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
August 20 2014 15:09 GMT
#881
I know a lawyer whose firm works with Che Guevara's beneficiaries and they're tasked with sueing everyone they come across who uses his picture without having asked for permission (because despite appearing everywhere, it's not public domain or anything like that people may think). It's apparently both tedious and sometimes borderline grotesque as to where they dig up the uses.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
August 20 2014 15:22 GMT
#882
On August 20 2014 23:57 ticklishmusic wrote:
If Faker knows the guy is streaming his games and doesn't care, who cares? It's the same thing as a guy who sells t-shirts or pictures of some famous celebrity to fans.


My contribution to this discussion is to agree with this stance.

This civil unrest may now cease, I have spoken.
Hey! How you doin'?
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-20 15:33:04
August 20 2014 15:32 GMT
#883
On August 21 2014 00:01 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2014 00:00 TheYango wrote:
On August 20 2014 23:54 Fusilero wrote:
So I decided to check out doyou TV out of curiosity, namei has 197,922 viewers on his stream wow no wonder I hear about these streamers making more than full time pros in China, for the sake of comparison the top hearthstone streamer (idk who he is but he's on iG) has 123,128, ZSMJ has 121,830 and YG's mid laner who is second on LoL has 27,081. I know it's a bit of a no shit given that it's China but still surprised me lol.

The accepted view is that Douyu numbers are heavily inflated (last number I remember is x4).

Huh didn't know that, how is it inflated?


Chinese routing and the way the site tracks things leads to a lot of inaccuracies in overall viewer-count and its obviously in the site's best interests to make the numbers seem bigger. Nobody knows for sure how inflated it is but things like basic experiments with a channel that starts with 0 viewers, streamers trying to get all their viewers to go a another channel, etc. and matching with previous numbers have given people some guesses.

Basically after some investigations netizens of a popular DotA forum basically agreed that the Douyu numbers for DotA streamers were about 3-4x inflated and that has become a generally accepted figure for the site.
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
August 20 2014 16:31 GMT
#884
On August 21 2014 00:22 Zdrastochye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2014 23:57 ticklishmusic wrote:
If Faker knows the guy is streaming his games and doesn't care, who cares? It's the same thing as a guy who sells t-shirts or pictures of some famous celebrity to fans.


My contribution to this discussion is to agree with this stance.

This civil unrest may now cease, I have spoken.

People are just mad that someone is making tons of money off of the easiest idea ever and that they didn't come up with it first.
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Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
August 20 2014 16:37 GMT
#885
On August 21 2014 01:31 xes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2014 00:22 Zdrastochye wrote:
On August 20 2014 23:57 ticklishmusic wrote:
If Faker knows the guy is streaming his games and doesn't care, who cares? It's the same thing as a guy who sells t-shirts or pictures of some famous celebrity to fans.


My contribution to this discussion is to agree with this stance.

This civil unrest may now cease, I have spoken.

People are just mad that someone is making tons of money off of the easiest idea ever and that they didn't come up with it first.


It actually annoys me just because of how atrociously cheeky it is.

But mostly because it was so fucking ez to do and he making mad dolla
Useless wet fish.
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-20 16:43:14
August 20 2014 16:42 GMT
#886
is there any info how much he is making from it? streamers always say they do way less than everybody think they do
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
August 20 2014 17:05 GMT
#887
On August 21 2014 00:07 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2014 23:57 ticklishmusic wrote:
On August 20 2014 23:51 Numy wrote:
On August 20 2014 22:55 LaNague wrote:
why would you buff a new champ after 2 weeks of play.

He has what? 43% winrate after 2 weeks?
If he had a 50% winrate at release, he would be completely broken.














On August 20 2014 22:52 chalice wrote:
is he taking away from faker's income in some tangible way?





he is a leech that doesnt contribute anything, just wants to leech some money from fakers fame.
Its a personal thing, i dont like leeches like that.


Isn't that the whole accounting industry?


Kind of a sidenote, but accounting is actually pretty important and pretty tedious. Think of how big a business is, then think how you have to convert every goddamn asset or transaction done into some monetary value and make sure that is all matches up across a bajillion documents that are in not quite the same format. Not an accountant, but I've spent enough time digging through financials at my internship to know it kind of sucks (I mean, I just want an excel sheet with your info, stop sending me these goddamn PDF's that I have to manually convert).

If Faker knows the guy is streaming his games and doesn't care, who cares? It's the same thing as a guy who sells t-shirts or pictures of some famous celebrity to fans.


Haha I know my mom runs the accounting for dads business and I had to fill in for a few weeks. I was just making a joke. It's needed to make sure everything runs smoothly but at the end of the day you aren't actually producing any content. Much like how the streaming faker is needed for the world but isn't producing anything on it's own :D

Does anyone know if the playoffs is on Gnar patch?

You aren't producing content, but you are hired by a company to manage something. You are providing a service to do work for an entity by manipulating their stuff. This guy is taking something he doesn't own without consent and making money off it.
GuYuTe-
Profile Joined February 2005
United States550 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-20 17:20:05
August 20 2014 17:16 GMT
#888
Just stopping in to say Zed has been my favorite champion for over a year, and I'm excited as anyone about this quality of life buff, but he really didn't need it in my opinion. Gnar seems fun to play but I can't see his seeing any competitive play whatsoever and honestly seems pretty lackluster of a champ to me.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
August 20 2014 17:17 GMT
#889
Well did Ahri need to become manaless?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
DrunkenOne
Profile Joined August 2012
United States302 Posts
August 20 2014 17:28 GMT
#890
Ok so with this Darius discussion, are you taking TP on him? Cause my problem is, ignite is so useful on him obv for snowballing in lane, but with seemingly everyone taking TP its tough for him to snowball because enemies either just recall and TP back to lane if they start to get low and run out of pots/flask charges, or they just TP back to lane after you kill them and they lose barely any gold or XP.
Yarr?
Frudgey
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada3367 Posts
August 20 2014 17:31 GMT
#891
Personally, I like to take Ignite on Darius just because then at level 6 your ult + Ignite is doing ~530 TRUE DAMAGE which is quite a hefty amount. I think it's a matter of preference of whether or not you take ignite or teleport on him, but all I'm saying is that I like ignite on him.

I also run ghost on him so what do I know.
It is better to die for The Emperor than live for yourself.
Shiznick
Profile Joined December 2008
United States2200 Posts
August 20 2014 18:00 GMT
#892
I personally don't think there's anything wrong with restreaming Faker's games.

If it has to do with him making "easy money", from what I've seen, it seems like he puts a good amount of effort into the stream, he's not just afking. He interacts with chat, puts on replays so there's always content. He quit his job, readjusted his sleep schedule around Faker's playing time, and dedicates a significant amount of time to the stream to provide an apparently demanded service.

I think trying to get him shut down is just petty. If people disagree with what he's doing, then they won't watch his stream, and he'll have to quit the whole Faker spectating thing.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
August 20 2014 18:09 GMT
#893
I think I might start Dade stream then ! Or Madlife ! :D
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kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-20 18:13:03
August 20 2014 18:10 GMT
#894
everyone can watch faker in lol client hes streaming public ladder games not scrims, this guy is adding music,replays etc and makes watching for a lot people more enjoyable, i dont get how some get so butthurt over this
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-20 18:12:43
August 20 2014 18:10 GMT
#895
On August 21 2014 03:00 Shiznick wrote:
I personally don't think there's anything wrong with restreaming Faker's games.

If it has to do with him making "easy money", from what I've seen, it seems like he puts a good amount of effort into the stream, he's not just afking. He interacts with chat, puts on replays so there's always content. He quit his job, readjusted his sleep schedule around Faker's playing time, and dedicates a significant amount of time to the stream to provide an apparently demanded service.

I think trying to get him shut down is just petty. If people disagree with what he's doing, then they won't watch his stream, and he'll have to quit the whole Faker spectating thing.

Well there's the question of how faker feels about having all his solo q games recorded and archived, with worlds just around the corner. Sure solo q is hardly secret, but not many koreans have easily browseable archives for anyone to go through. There's a difference between a team analysing some of your solo q games as a result of their coach specifically going out of his way to watch your games, and having all your games recorded for any random analyst to watch on demand. Besides, if faker wanted to stream he could, the fact that somewhere along the line he made a conscious decision not to should count for something.

Personally I don't feel that strongly about it either way, it'll sort itself out somehow, either by staying or going away, but there's more to it then him "stealing potential money" from faker.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-20 18:14:04
August 20 2014 18:12 GMT
#896
On August 21 2014 03:09 739 wrote:
I think I might start Dade stream then ! Or Madlife ! :D

Nah dude, cash in on the Kakao hype.

On August 21 2014 03:10 killerdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2014 03:00 Shiznick wrote:
I personally don't think there's anything wrong with restreaming Faker's games.

If it has to do with him making "easy money", from what I've seen, it seems like he puts a good amount of effort into the stream, he's not just afking. He interacts with chat, puts on replays so there's always content. He quit his job, readjusted his sleep schedule around Faker's playing time, and dedicates a significant amount of time to the stream to provide an apparently demanded service.

I think trying to get him shut down is just petty. If people disagree with what he's doing, then they won't watch his stream, and he'll have to quit the whole Faker spectating thing.

Well there's the question of how faker feels about having all his solo q games recorded and archived, with worlds just around the corner. Sure solo q is hardly secret, but not many koreans have easily browseable archives for anyone to go through. There's a difference between a team analysing some of your solo q games as a result of their coach specifically going out of his way to watch your games, and having all your games recorded for any random analyst to watch on demand. Besides, if faker wanted to stream he could, the fact that somewhere along the line he made a conscious decision not to should count for something.

Personally I don't feel that strongly about it either way, it'll sort itself out somehow, either by staying or going away, but there's more to it then him "stealing potential money" from faker.

Kespa players aren't allowed to stream. Supposedly it's in their contract.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
August 20 2014 18:12 GMT
#897
On August 21 2014 03:12 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2014 03:09 739 wrote:
I think I might start Dade stream then ! Or Madlife ! :D

Nah dude, cash in on the Kakao hype.

Fuck, you're so right. I'll stream Kakao playing and singing. Million dollars in a year guarantee.
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
Shiznick
Profile Joined December 2008
United States2200 Posts
August 20 2014 18:14 GMT
#898
On August 21 2014 03:10 killerdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2014 03:00 Shiznick wrote:
I personally don't think there's anything wrong with restreaming Faker's games.

If it has to do with him making "easy money", from what I've seen, it seems like he puts a good amount of effort into the stream, he's not just afking. He interacts with chat, puts on replays so there's always content. He quit his job, readjusted his sleep schedule around Faker's playing time, and dedicates a significant amount of time to the stream to provide an apparently demanded service.

I think trying to get him shut down is just petty. If people disagree with what he's doing, then they won't watch his stream, and he'll have to quit the whole Faker spectating thing.

Well there's the question of how faker feels about having all his solo q games recorded and archived, with worlds just around the corner. Sure solo q is hardly secret, but not many koreans have easily browseable archives for anyone to go through. There's a difference between a team analysing some of your solo q games as a result of their coach specifically going out of his way to watch your games, and having all your games recorded for any random analyst to watch on demand. Besides, if faker wanted to stream he could, the fact that somewhere along the line he made a conscious decision not to should count for something.

Personally I don't feel that strongly about it either way, it'll sort itself out somehow, either by staying or going away, but there's more to it then him "stealing potential money" from faker.

Yeah, the whole solo queue privacy thing is a bit of an issue, but that's on Faker, and I'm sure if he told the streamer to cease and desist, the guy would stop, or have his stream shut down.

As for Faker streaming his games, IIRC, he is not allowed to stream them due to some KESPA shenanigans.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
August 20 2014 18:28 GMT
#899
All of a sudden Riot looks like the good guys.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 20 2014 18:29 GMT
#900
Faker, seeing this, could also easily play on a smurf to make sure the guy can't track him, but that kinda sucks.
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