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Updated TL LoL policy in regards to the use of "lomo"

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Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
May 17 2014 18:03 GMT
#1461
On May 18 2014 03:02 SnowFantasy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2014 02:49 Celial wrote:
On May 18 2014 02:40 lastshadow wrote:
Is braum seeing ban on other servers? He doesn't get touched as much on Korea :o, mostly just on release/post-release day because he was misunderstood.


Must be real difficult to check out pick and banrates at lolking. Should probably get some more friends to datamine for you.


Something wrong?
People very regularly ask simple questions on TL.


People ask questions that can't be answered by going to http://www.lolking.net/champions/
Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4123 Posts
May 17 2014 18:04 GMT
#1462
On May 18 2014 03:03 Celial wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2014 03:02 SnowFantasy wrote:
On May 18 2014 02:49 Celial wrote:
On May 18 2014 02:40 lastshadow wrote:
Is braum seeing ban on other servers? He doesn't get touched as much on Korea :o, mostly just on release/post-release day because he was misunderstood.


Must be real difficult to check out pick and banrates at lolking. Should probably get some more friends to datamine for you.


Something wrong?
People very regularly ask simple questions on TL.


People ask questions that can't be answered by going to http://www.lolking.net/champions/

Now you're just being a dick cuz you want to.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-17 18:14:59
May 17 2014 18:08 GMT
#1463
On May 18 2014 03:04 Fildun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2014 03:03 Celial wrote:
On May 18 2014 03:02 SnowFantasy wrote:
On May 18 2014 02:49 Celial wrote:
On May 18 2014 02:40 lastshadow wrote:
Is braum seeing ban on other servers? He doesn't get touched as much on Korea :o, mostly just on release/post-release day because he was misunderstood.


Must be real difficult to check out pick and banrates at lolking. Should probably get some more friends to datamine for you.


Something wrong?
People very regularly ask simple questions on TL.


People ask questions that can't be answered by going to http://www.lolking.net/champions/

Now you're just being a dick cuz you want to.

Celial, calm down. Asking ban rate is fine. lolking is just an aggregate of ban data. It doesn't say much in regards to server or elo bracket.

l0l, SnowFantasy's made my point. There are no dumb questions. If you think it's mundane, just skip over it.

Edit: In regards to lastshadow posting in TL LoL GD
I understand that LS is a very polarizing figure here on TL. Shit that he did in his BW days is inexcusable but at the sametime it was literally years ago. It's events that happened before most of you were on TL, with the exception of a few like bly.
That said, unless there's proof of scumbag behavior (for a lack of a better word) from LS recently, I'd rather not have the general population jump on the guy when his posts are normal by any standards. He's free to ask people for casting feedback. If LS wants continual feedback, I do suggest he make a separate thread for it. Thanks all.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
SnowFantasy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
4173 Posts
May 17 2014 18:09 GMT
#1464
On May 18 2014 03:03 Celial wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2014 03:02 SnowFantasy wrote:
On May 18 2014 02:49 Celial wrote:
On May 18 2014 02:40 lastshadow wrote:
Is braum seeing ban on other servers? He doesn't get touched as much on Korea :o, mostly just on release/post-release day because he was misunderstood.


Must be real difficult to check out pick and banrates at lolking. Should probably get some more friends to datamine for you.


Something wrong?
People very regularly ask simple questions on TL.


People ask questions that can't be answered by going to http://www.lolking.net/champions/


On May 14 2014 02:30 Celial wrote:
I just noticed the TL+ signs. What is it, how can I get it! Do I even want to have it?

Must be real difficult to check out TL+ on Google (or a tl search).

On January 02 2014 18:43 Celial wrote:
No english stream?

Must be real difficult to find an english stream on reddit.
It happens all the time.
Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
May 17 2014 18:14 GMT
#1465
Braums NA banrate in solo queue is 9.1% btw.
Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 17 2014 18:20 GMT
#1466
I think the 52% win rate of Braum shows that this guy is really OP.

What I have seen from the Braums so far is that a lot of ADCs do not know how to play with Braums. As time goes on, Braum players will become better, and more importantly ADCs become better at playing with Braum - so his win rate will climb steadily.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-17 18:28:18
May 17 2014 18:20 GMT
#1467
On May 18 2014 03:09 SnowFantasy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2014 03:03 Celial wrote:
On May 18 2014 03:02 SnowFantasy wrote:
On May 18 2014 02:49 Celial wrote:
On May 18 2014 02:40 lastshadow wrote:
Is braum seeing ban on other servers? He doesn't get touched as much on Korea :o, mostly just on release/post-release day because he was misunderstood.


Must be real difficult to check out pick and banrates at lolking. Should probably get some more friends to datamine for you.


Something wrong?
People very regularly ask simple questions on TL.


People ask questions that can't be answered by going to http://www.lolking.net/champions/


Show nested quote +
On May 14 2014 02:30 Celial wrote:
I just noticed the TL+ signs. What is it, how can I get it! Do I even want to have it?

Must be real difficult to check out TL+ on Google (or a tl search).

Show nested quote +
On January 02 2014 18:43 Celial wrote:
No english stream?

Must be real difficult to find an english stream on reddit.
It happens all the time.


Yeah this is not my job, unlike it being LS's job as an analyst for OGN. If you pay me for knowing about obscure website features and finding streams, I would be the best in the world. But you do not, so I get to be lazy.

Also, kinda ridiculous to stalk my posts six months back to find something you can use. That's hella sad.
Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
May 17 2014 18:22 GMT
#1468
On May 18 2014 03:20 Sufficiency wrote:
I think the 52% win rate of Braum shows that this guy is really OP.

What I have seen from the Braums so far is that a lot of ADCs do not know how to play with Braums. As time goes on, Braum players will become better, and more importantly ADCs become better at playing with Braum - so his win rate will climb steadily.

Without having much firsthand experience with Braum, my impression of his kit is that he's on par with Thresh. And everyone knows what Thresh can do by now.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 17 2014 18:26 GMT
#1469
when the people stop playing him that don't know how to play tanks his winrate is going to skyrocket. I don't think there's anything more infuriating in this game now then laning bot with a braum that plays as if he is the ad carry. He doesnt provide any poke/sustain/hard initiation(until 6) etc and all he can do for you is take poke hits and get stuns off. So when you just get poked down while your braum watches it is a brutal lane to play in. thats the only thing keeping his winrate under 55%
I come in for the scraps
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
May 17 2014 18:27 GMT
#1470
On May 18 2014 03:22 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2014 03:20 Sufficiency wrote:
I think the 52% win rate of Braum shows that this guy is really OP.

What I have seen from the Braums so far is that a lot of ADCs do not know how to play with Braums. As time goes on, Braum players will become better, and more importantly ADCs become better at playing with Braum - so his win rate will climb steadily.

Without having much firsthand experience with Braum, my impression of his kit is that he's on par with Thresh. And everyone knows what Thresh can do by now.


According to Lolking and my boredom, Braum appears to have the highest winrate of any support right now.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
May 17 2014 18:30 GMT
#1471
On May 18 2014 03:20 Sufficiency wrote:
I think the 52% win rate of Braum shows that this guy is really OP.

What I have seen from the Braums so far is that a lot of ADCs do not know how to play with Braums. As time goes on, Braum players will become better, and more importantly ADCs become better at playing with Braum - so his win rate will climb steadily.

Players will also get better at handling him.Honestly his numbers are just dumb.He shouldnt be able to proc his passive at all.It is retarded how much damage you can actually do.Pretty much every time I got the chance to play him I straight up 1v2d enemy bot lane or we won 2v3s without anything special.

One game my ad literally got hooked 2 times lvl 1 fed fb lvl 2 to a draven/thresh.After he died I got lvl 3 flashed on top of a draven/thresh(1v2 keep in mind) killed a half hp draven without summoners(I didnt have either) and walked away.

This remind me of when thresh was realeased and everyone was like "wait what he is ranged" except a champ that has 2 damage abilities actually does a lot of fucking damage.
Scarlett`
Profile Joined April 2011
Korea (South)2395 Posts
May 17 2014 18:37 GMT
#1472
While lastshadow has obviously done some very stupid things in the past (most notably the map rigging incident back in broodwar), I don't understand what some of you are saying in regards to what's going on now in LoL.

I've lived with him since before he started getting noticed in the LoL community (from the coaching videos on youtube; the reason he got asked to cast NLB). He's been coaching for a long time, and just recently decided to start uploading vods; he was as surprised as I was how many views and attention they got from the r/leagueoflegends subreddit.

Obviously his casting today wasn't perfect (it's his first time casting at a live event/casting league and he had never met his co-caster before) which is why he is asking for feedback. You shouldn't hate on someone for wanting to improve; and it isn't 'scamming the community' for casting when he isn't perfect at it

On May 18 2014 02:22 Sponkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2014 02:14 Capped wrote:
I mean the fact that Plexa posted a link to a TL thread where there was untold evidence of LS being a complete dickbag, taking somebodies money for lessons and never giving him said lessons over the course of many months should explain enough of what this guy is about.

December '13 is not "long ago" or "when i was younger" that is practically fucking yesterday.

Then you factor in everything else you've done and your know-it-all personality and you get hatred.


So I'm the only one here, who dislikes him for being mediocre and unimportant for the scene? Op

I would understand if you disliked him for things in the past; but for being an up and coming caster/coach/whatever makes no sense at all; Do you dislike every b-class pro for being 'unimportant' ? Should everyone wanting to break into the scene be disliked for being 'unimportant' and be told to 'get a real job' ?
Progamer
Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-17 18:48:32
May 17 2014 18:45 GMT
#1473
On May 18 2014 03:37 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:
I would understand if you disliked him for things in the past; but for being an up and coming caster/coach/whatever makes no sense at all; Do you dislike every b-class pro for being 'unimportant' ? Should everyone wanting to break into the scene be disliked for being 'unimportant' and be told to 'get a real job' ?


To be fair, most up and coming casters/personalities get bashed around these parts of the forums. People are regularly hating on Riots own casters as well as MonteChristo from OGN.

The LS hate is just amplified by his past on this website. As well as the same issues that pop up over the years. Always the same, be it 2007 or last December. Dishonesty, lying, bragging, endless ridiculous excuses.
Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-17 18:47:36
May 17 2014 18:47 GMT
#1474
people be jelly of those who get coveted roles without having proven their skill in their eyes
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 17 2014 18:48 GMT
#1475
On May 18 2014 03:22 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2014 03:20 Sufficiency wrote:
I think the 52% win rate of Braum shows that this guy is really OP.

What I have seen from the Braums so far is that a lot of ADCs do not know how to play with Braums. As time goes on, Braum players will become better, and more importantly ADCs become better at playing with Braum - so his win rate will climb steadily.

Without having much firsthand experience with Braum, my impression of his kit is that he's on par with Thresh. And everyone knows what Thresh can do by now.

Neo said it here first, Braum's op'd.
liftlift > tsm
UnKooL
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1667 Posts
May 17 2014 18:50 GMT
#1476
On May 18 2014 03:37 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:
While lastshadow has obviously done some very stupid things in the past (most notably the map rigging incident back in broodwar), I don't understand what some of you are saying in regards to what's going on now in LoL.

I've lived with him since before he started getting noticed in the LoL community (from the coaching videos on youtube; the reason he got asked to cast NLB). He's been coaching for a long time, and just recently decided to start uploading vods; he was as surprised as I was how many views and attention they got from the r/leagueoflegends subreddit.

Obviously his casting today wasn't perfect (it's his first time casting at a live event/casting league and he had never met his co-caster before) which is why he is asking for feedback. You shouldn't hate on someone for wanting to improve; and it isn't 'scamming the community' for casting when he isn't perfect at it

Show nested quote +
On May 18 2014 02:22 Sponkz wrote:
On May 18 2014 02:14 Capped wrote:
I mean the fact that Plexa posted a link to a TL thread where there was untold evidence of LS being a complete dickbag, taking somebodies money for lessons and never giving him said lessons over the course of many months should explain enough of what this guy is about.

December '13 is not "long ago" or "when i was younger" that is practically fucking yesterday.

Then you factor in everything else you've done and your know-it-all personality and you get hatred.


So I'm the only one here, who dislikes him for being mediocre and unimportant for the scene? Op

I would understand if you disliked him for things in the past; but for being an up and coming caster/coach/whatever makes no sense at all; Do you dislike every b-class pro for being 'unimportant' ? Should everyone wanting to break into the scene be disliked for being 'unimportant' and be told to 'get a real job' ?


Having lived with him...can you confirm he was a Diamond 1 player in Korean servers like he says he is?
LoL: UnKooL and SoloQFiendUnKooL, SC2: UnKooL
Klonere
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Ireland4123 Posts
May 17 2014 18:56 GMT
#1477
So if Riot give Lucian the full dumpster treatment or even some "tweaks" what happens to ADC? Is Jinx the queen and Twitch the king? Do we go full Korea and start seeing Kog and MF (although I believe those are team specific picks)?
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 17 2014 18:59 GMT
#1478
on NA it will just go back to cait every game since lucian is one of the decent picks against her.
I come in for the scraps
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
May 17 2014 18:59 GMT
#1479
On May 18 2014 03:56 Klonere wrote:
So if Riot give Lucian the full dumpster treatment or even some "tweaks" what happens to ADC? Is Jinx the queen and Twitch the king? Do we go full Korea and start seeing Kog and MF (although I believe those are team specific picks)?

If they really dumpster lucian I think caitlyn would become the #1 ADC as the generalise safe pick and ezreal would have a significant upswing in popularity. But twitch would definitely become king.
Glorious SEA doto
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-17 19:07:00
May 17 2014 19:00 GMT
#1480
On May 18 2014 03:56 Klonere wrote:
So if Riot give Lucian the full dumpster treatment or even some "tweaks" what happens to ADC? Is Jinx the queen and Twitch the king? Do we go full Korea and start seeing Kog and MF (although I believe those are team specific picks)?


lucians main strength is in lane, its not like hes bad in team fights but hes not exactly godlike. so nerfing lucian isnt the death of ADC as some would say, if another ADC is considered the strongest after it could even make ADC in general seem a bit stronger, as fed ADs coming out of lane could have a bigger impact.

On May 18 2014 03:37 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:
While lastshadow has obviously done some very stupid things in the past (most notably the map rigging incident back in broodwar), I don't understand what some of you are saying in regards to what's going on now in LoL.

I've lived with him since before he started getting noticed in the LoL community (from the coaching videos on youtube; the reason he got asked to cast NLB). He's been coaching for a long time, and just recently decided to start uploading vods; he was as surprised as I was how many views and attention they got from the r/leagueoflegends subreddit.

Obviously his casting today wasn't perfect (it's his first time casting at a live event/casting league and he had never met his co-caster before) which is why he is asking for feedback. You shouldn't hate on someone for wanting to improve; and it isn't 'scamming the community' for casting when he isn't perfect at it

Show nested quote +
On May 18 2014 02:22 Sponkz wrote:
On May 18 2014 02:14 Capped wrote:
I mean the fact that Plexa posted a link to a TL thread where there was untold evidence of LS being a complete dickbag, taking somebodies money for lessons and never giving him said lessons over the course of many months should explain enough of what this guy is about.

December '13 is not "long ago" or "when i was younger" that is practically fucking yesterday.

Then you factor in everything else you've done and your know-it-all personality and you get hatred.


So I'm the only one here, who dislikes him for being mediocre and unimportant for the scene? Op

I would understand if you disliked him for things in the past; but for being an up and coming caster/coach/whatever makes no sense at all; Do you dislike every b-class pro for being 'unimportant' ? Should everyone wanting to break into the scene be disliked for being 'unimportant' and be told to 'get a real job' ?


try to at least stick to your argument for more than 1 second after a kool person turns up.

On May 18 2014 03:37 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:
While lastshadow has obviously done some very stupid things in the past (most notably the map rigging incident back in broodwar), I don't understand what some of you are saying in regards to what's going on now in LoL.



youre cherry picking people who its easy to disagree with. and even the people 'just' hating on him for things he did a decade ago, hes hardly the first person to have to deal with their own shit catching up with them. maybe it is unfair if your only reason to dislike him is broodwar, but this is par for the course with esports personalities/casters.

everyone with a desire for the limelight labels themselves as an up and coming caster/personality. if you even have 1 thing people dont like about you theres so many alternatives for them that its gonna be a huge issue. if LS wants to be serious about building a career or a following he needs to spend less time trying to change peoples minds one at a time on a forum and just let his work do the talking. rather than sending his bestie in here to try and placate people he needs to keep his head down and just keep on making content.
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