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On May 18 2014 03:59 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2014 03:56 Klonere wrote:
So if Riot give Lucian the full dumpster treatment or even some "tweaks" what happens to ADC? Is Jinx the queen and Twitch the king? Do we go full Korea and start seeing Kog and MF (although I believe those are team specific picks)? If they really dumpster lucian I think caitlyn would become the #1 ADC as the generalise safe pick and ezreal would have a significant upswing in popularity. But twitch would definitely become king.
Miss Fortune is the next big thing imo (after twitch gets nerfed). Her laning is insanely strong.
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On May 18 2014 03:45 Celial wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2014 03:37 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:
I would understand if you disliked him for things in the past; but for being an up and coming caster/coach/whatever makes no sense at all; Do you dislike every b-class pro for being 'unimportant' ? Should everyone wanting to break into the scene be disliked for being 'unimportant' and be told to 'get a real job' ? To be fair, most up and coming casters/personalities get bashed around these parts of the forums. People are regularly hating on Riots own casters as well as MonteChristo from OGN. The LS hate is just amplified by his past on this website. As well as the same issues that pop up over the years. Always the same, be it 2007 or last December. Dishonesty, lying, bragging, endless ridiculous excuses.
Yea but they're hating on something specific (they don't like some aspect about their casting or whatever) and not just saying they dislike them because they're not well known
The only thing I could see as a legitimate reason (in terms of what he's done in league; rather than from his past in starcraft) is cause he get's quite angry when he's streaming sometimes (he's aware of this and is trying to work on it though) and he is a bit of a Korean elitist but I understand that as a starcraft player :p
On May 18 2014 03:50 UnKooL wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2014 03:37 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:While lastshadow has obviously done some very stupid things in the past (most notably the map rigging incident back in broodwar), I don't understand what some of you are saying in regards to what's going on now in LoL. I've lived with him since before he started getting noticed in the LoL community (from the coaching videos on youtube; the reason he got asked to cast NLB). He's been coaching for a long time, and just recently decided to start uploading vods; he was as surprised as I was how many views and attention they got from the r/leagueoflegends subreddit. Obviously his casting today wasn't perfect (it's his first time casting at a live event/casting league and he had never met his co-caster before) which is why he is asking for feedback. You shouldn't hate on someone for wanting to improve; and it isn't 'scamming the community' for casting when he isn't perfect at it On May 18 2014 02:22 Sponkz wrote:On May 18 2014 02:14 Capped wrote:
I mean the fact that Plexa posted a link to a TL thread where there was untold evidence of LS being a complete dickbag, taking somebodies money for lessons and never giving him said lessons over the course of many months should explain enough of what this guy is about.
December '13 is not "long ago" or "when i was younger" that is practically fucking yesterday.
Then you factor in everything else you've done and your know-it-all personality and you get hatred. So I'm the only one here, who dislikes him for being mediocre and unimportant for the scene? Op I would understand if you disliked him for things in the past; but for being an up and coming caster/coach/whatever makes no sense at all; Do you dislike every b-class pro for being 'unimportant' ? Should everyone wanting to break into the scene be disliked for being 'unimportant' and be told to 'get a real job' ? Having lived with him...can you confirm he was a Diamond 1 player in Korean servers like he says he is?
That was before I lived with him (only since he came back from hospital in USA) and before he stopped playing league to play Heroes of the Storm for awhile. Now he's lower in diamond and moving back up
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On May 18 2014 04:00 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2014 03:56 Klonere wrote:
So if Riot give Lucian the full dumpster treatment or even some "tweaks" what happens to ADC? Is Jinx the queen and Twitch the king? Do we go full Korea and start seeing Kog and MF (although I believe those are team specific picks)? lucians main strength is in lane, its not like hes bad in team fights but hes not exactly godlike. so nerfing lucian isnt the death of ADC as some would say, if another ADC is considered the strongest after it could even make ADC in general seem a bit stronger, as fed ADs coming out of lane could have a bigger impact.
Wat?Lucian is god at teamfights bro.
Probably cait would be must ban and after twitch gets nerfed too it would be jinx/kog/draven and mayyybe graves.
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On May 18 2014 03:37 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:While lastshadow has obviously done some very stupid things in the past (most notably the map rigging incident back in broodwar), I don't understand what some of you are saying in regards to what's going on now in LoL. I've lived with him since before he started getting noticed in the LoL community (from the coaching videos on youtube; the reason he got asked to cast NLB). He's been coaching for a long time, and just recently decided to start uploading vods; he was as surprised as I was how many views and attention they got from the r/leagueoflegends subreddit. Obviously his casting today wasn't perfect (it's his first time casting at a live event/casting league and he had never met his co-caster before) which is why he is asking for feedback. You shouldn't hate on someone for wanting to improve; and it isn't 'scamming the community' for casting when he isn't perfect at it Show nested quote +On May 18 2014 02:22 Sponkz wrote:On May 18 2014 02:14 Capped wrote:
I mean the fact that Plexa posted a link to a TL thread where there was untold evidence of LS being a complete dickbag, taking somebodies money for lessons and never giving him said lessons over the course of many months should explain enough of what this guy is about.
December '13 is not "long ago" or "when i was younger" that is practically fucking yesterday.
Then you factor in everything else you've done and your know-it-all personality and you get hatred. So I'm the only one here, who dislikes him for being mediocre and unimportant for the scene? Op I would understand if you disliked him for things in the past; but for being an up and coming caster/coach/whatever makes no sense at all; Do you dislike every b-class pro for being 'unimportant' ? Should everyone wanting to break into the scene be disliked for being 'unimportant' and be told to 'get a real job' ?
Yes, the scene doesn't have a job for every wanker out there, i bet you've also experienced this firsthand.
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On May 18 2014 04:00 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2014 03:56 Klonere wrote:
So if Riot give Lucian the full dumpster treatment or even some "tweaks" what happens to ADC? Is Jinx the queen and Twitch the king? Do we go full Korea and start seeing Kog and MF (although I believe those are team specific picks)? lucians main strength is in lane, its not like hes bad in team fights but hes not exactly godlike. so nerfing lucian isnt the death of ADC as some would say, if another ADC is considered the strongest after it could even make ADC in general seem a bit stronger, as fed ADs coming out of lane could have a bigger impact.
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Isn't the whole point of lucian how safe he is in teamfights? Ezreal levels of safety, with actual damage to back it up.
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On May 18 2014 04:04 Sponkz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2014 03:37 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:While lastshadow has obviously done some very stupid things in the past (most notably the map rigging incident back in broodwar), I don't understand what some of you are saying in regards to what's going on now in LoL. I've lived with him since before he started getting noticed in the LoL community (from the coaching videos on youtube; the reason he got asked to cast NLB). He's been coaching for a long time, and just recently decided to start uploading vods; he was as surprised as I was how many views and attention they got from the r/leagueoflegends subreddit. Obviously his casting today wasn't perfect (it's his first time casting at a live event/casting league and he had never met his co-caster before) which is why he is asking for feedback. You shouldn't hate on someone for wanting to improve; and it isn't 'scamming the community' for casting when he isn't perfect at it On May 18 2014 02:22 Sponkz wrote:On May 18 2014 02:14 Capped wrote:
I mean the fact that Plexa posted a link to a TL thread where there was untold evidence of LS being a complete dickbag, taking somebodies money for lessons and never giving him said lessons over the course of many months should explain enough of what this guy is about.
December '13 is not "long ago" or "when i was younger" that is practically fucking yesterday.
Then you factor in everything else you've done and your know-it-all personality and you get hatred. So I'm the only one here, who dislikes him for being mediocre and unimportant for the scene? Op I would understand if you disliked him for things in the past; but for being an up and coming caster/coach/whatever makes no sense at all; Do you dislike every b-class pro for being 'unimportant' ? Should everyone wanting to break into the scene be disliked for being 'unimportant' and be told to 'get a real job' ? Yes, the scene doesn't have a job for every wanker out there, i bet you've also experienced this firsthand.
i have no idea what this post is alluding to but i feel dirty just reading it
which makes no sense because i can browse r/wtf without feeling dirty
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On May 18 2014 04:04 killerdog wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2014 04:00 turdburgler wrote:On May 18 2014 03:56 Klonere wrote:
So if Riot give Lucian the full dumpster treatment or even some "tweaks" what happens to ADC? Is Jinx the queen and Twitch the king? Do we go full Korea and start seeing Kog and MF (although I believe those are team specific picks)? lucians main strength is in lane, its not like hes bad in team fights but hes not exactly godlike. so nerfing lucian isnt the death of ADC as some would say, if another ADC is considered the strongest after it could even make ADC in general seem a bit stronger, as fed ADs coming out of lane could have a bigger impact. ? Isn't the whole point of lucian how safe he is in teamfights? Ezreal levels of safety, with actual damage to back it up.
hes safe but not the overbearing thing he can be in lane, thats exactly what i said. hes fine in team fights.
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For one of your first casts it was a great one LS! Looking forward for your next one. 
Had to comment on the "Red Bull incident" and other stuff:
Let me preface it by saying that I suffer from a Bipolar Personality Disorder and "Random Social Anxiety" (cannot remember clinic term).
I hope you don't take this the wrong way, but I wasn't suprised to see you drop out on that specific day - guess I could 'sense' you mentally were off there. From my experience people who haven't had first hand experience with any kind of mental disorders have a hard time understanding just how crippling for instance a "real" depression is. Especially when they cannot look into your eyes, so to speak, to getter a better understanding of your situation.
To keep myself from writing an essay, I'll try and condense everything down:
@LS: Don't worry, we're some who understand what you're dealing with and cheers for you and have moved on from your past. <3
@Others: What LS has done, is nothing compared to what I've done IRL and my friends have forgiven me time and time again, why? Because we can sit down and talk it over face to face, what may seem like a jackass might be a person in pain. This is true for a healthy person and especially for a person with a disorder. While we don't want to be victimized, please try and bear with us from time to time.
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On May 18 2014 04:04 Sponkz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2014 03:37 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:While lastshadow has obviously done some very stupid things in the past (most notably the map rigging incident back in broodwar), I don't understand what some of you are saying in regards to what's going on now in LoL. I've lived with him since before he started getting noticed in the LoL community (from the coaching videos on youtube; the reason he got asked to cast NLB). He's been coaching for a long time, and just recently decided to start uploading vods; he was as surprised as I was how many views and attention they got from the r/leagueoflegends subreddit. Obviously his casting today wasn't perfect (it's his first time casting at a live event/casting league and he had never met his co-caster before) which is why he is asking for feedback. You shouldn't hate on someone for wanting to improve; and it isn't 'scamming the community' for casting when he isn't perfect at it On May 18 2014 02:22 Sponkz wrote:On May 18 2014 02:14 Capped wrote:
I mean the fact that Plexa posted a link to a TL thread where there was untold evidence of LS being a complete dickbag, taking somebodies money for lessons and never giving him said lessons over the course of many months should explain enough of what this guy is about.
December '13 is not "long ago" or "when i was younger" that is practically fucking yesterday.
Then you factor in everything else you've done and your know-it-all personality and you get hatred. So I'm the only one here, who dislikes him for being mediocre and unimportant for the scene? Op I would understand if you disliked him for things in the past; but for being an up and coming caster/coach/whatever makes no sense at all; Do you dislike every b-class pro for being 'unimportant' ? Should everyone wanting to break into the scene be disliked for being 'unimportant' and be told to 'get a real job' ? Yes, the scene doesn't have a job for every wanker out there, i bet you've also experienced this firsthand.
Fuck dude, thats brutal.
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you guys are like those wives who keep going back to abusive husbands because they tell you they've changed.
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it took him 2 days to work up the courage to post that.
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On May 18 2014 04:09 Celial wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2014 04:04 Sponkz wrote:On May 18 2014 03:37 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:While lastshadow has obviously done some very stupid things in the past (most notably the map rigging incident back in broodwar), I don't understand what some of you are saying in regards to what's going on now in LoL. I've lived with him since before he started getting noticed in the LoL community (from the coaching videos on youtube; the reason he got asked to cast NLB). He's been coaching for a long time, and just recently decided to start uploading vods; he was as surprised as I was how many views and attention they got from the r/leagueoflegends subreddit. Obviously his casting today wasn't perfect (it's his first time casting at a live event/casting league and he had never met his co-caster before) which is why he is asking for feedback. You shouldn't hate on someone for wanting to improve; and it isn't 'scamming the community' for casting when he isn't perfect at it On May 18 2014 02:22 Sponkz wrote:On May 18 2014 02:14 Capped wrote:
I mean the fact that Plexa posted a link to a TL thread where there was untold evidence of LS being a complete dickbag, taking somebodies money for lessons and never giving him said lessons over the course of many months should explain enough of what this guy is about.
December '13 is not "long ago" or "when i was younger" that is practically fucking yesterday.
Then you factor in everything else you've done and your know-it-all personality and you get hatred. So I'm the only one here, who dislikes him for being mediocre and unimportant for the scene? Op I would understand if you disliked him for things in the past; but for being an up and coming caster/coach/whatever makes no sense at all; Do you dislike every b-class pro for being 'unimportant' ? Should everyone wanting to break into the scene be disliked for being 'unimportant' and be told to 'get a real job' ? Yes, the scene doesn't have a job for every wanker out there, i bet you've also experienced this firsthand. Fuck dude, thats brutal.
That was a burn by boiling rapeseed oil
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lastshadow please do not send me PMs, post it here or don't say anything.
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On May 18 2014 04:23 zulu_nation8 wrote:
you guys are like those wives who keep going back to abusive husbands because they tell you they've changed.
Huh,.
It was my impression that LS was that abusive husband, and then everyone else here was just kind of like "Man, that guys a dick."
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People never change. Once a dickhead, always a dickhead.
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On May 18 2014 04:04 Sponkz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2014 03:37 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:While lastshadow has obviously done some very stupid things in the past (most notably the map rigging incident back in broodwar), I don't understand what some of you are saying in regards to what's going on now in LoL. I've lived with him since before he started getting noticed in the LoL community (from the coaching videos on youtube; the reason he got asked to cast NLB). He's been coaching for a long time, and just recently decided to start uploading vods; he was as surprised as I was how many views and attention they got from the r/leagueoflegends subreddit. Obviously his casting today wasn't perfect (it's his first time casting at a live event/casting league and he had never met his co-caster before) which is why he is asking for feedback. You shouldn't hate on someone for wanting to improve; and it isn't 'scamming the community' for casting when he isn't perfect at it On May 18 2014 02:22 Sponkz wrote:On May 18 2014 02:14 Capped wrote:
I mean the fact that Plexa posted a link to a TL thread where there was untold evidence of LS being a complete dickbag, taking somebodies money for lessons and never giving him said lessons over the course of many months should explain enough of what this guy is about.
December '13 is not "long ago" or "when i was younger" that is practically fucking yesterday.
Then you factor in everything else you've done and your know-it-all personality and you get hatred. So I'm the only one here, who dislikes him for being mediocre and unimportant for the scene? Op I would understand if you disliked him for things in the past; but for being an up and coming caster/coach/whatever makes no sense at all; Do you dislike every b-class pro for being 'unimportant' ? Should everyone wanting to break into the scene be disliked for being 'unimportant' and be told to 'get a real job' ? Yes, the scene doesn't have a job for every wanker out there, i bet you've also experienced this firsthand.
Ouuuuch
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lastshadow thank you for the coaching offer over PM, however I only consider getting coached by people who do not use illness to make excuse for why they are not the rank they claim to be.
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People keep talking about LS having done things in the "past" there was a whole thread about how he cheated people out of money and repeatedly dodged / ignored the person for a number of months insteading providing the services paid for.
This was last december, not years ago. The guys a proven douche, he even thinks he's in the right about the situation. (Judging by all his posts and his PM to me which i posted in which he defends himself...-_-)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/fan-clubs/329525-lastshadow-fan-club?page=25#499
Can we all just ignore the manchild and move on.
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in b4 quantic manager excuse aka i have cancer that's why I scammed everyone.
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