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Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
April 12 2014 02:45 GMT
#1261
is this a good old fashioned waifu fight
Bronze player stuck in platinum
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
April 12 2014 02:51 GMT
#1262
Syndra and Zyra number one waifus. For reasons.
Kyrie
Profile Joined June 2013
1594 Posts
April 12 2014 02:55 GMT
#1263
so this is friday night lolgd eh
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-12 02:58:26
April 12 2014 02:56 GMT
#1264
On April 12 2014 11:28 Sufficiency wrote:
Janna's eyes are actually brown. You can zoom in from this:

[image loading]

There are only a few pixels, but I think it's good enough to see what is going on.

Like I said, the reason why that is "clearly" not Lux is the hair's lack of anti-gravity.

EDIT: and the "spark" on her hat.

[image loading]

awkward. FURTHERMORE, it could also be a different version of the Tattoo on Default Jannas arm.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
April 12 2014 02:56 GMT
#1265
On April 12 2014 11:51 JazzVortical wrote:
Syndra and Zyra number one waifus. For reasons.

balls and tentacles?
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 12 2014 03:34 GMT
#1266
On April 12 2014 11:56 canikizu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2014 11:51 JazzVortical wrote:
Syndra and Zyra number one waifus. For reasons.

balls and tentacles?

sona #1 waifu, can't talk back.
liftlift > tsm
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
April 12 2014 03:38 GMT
#1267
On April 12 2014 11:56 canikizu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2014 11:51 JazzVortical wrote:
Syndra and Zyra number one waifus. For reasons.

balls and tentacles?

Syndra for her ball control.

Zyra is just good looking. Plus I'm an environmentalist.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
April 12 2014 03:48 GMT
#1268
On April 12 2014 11:34 Sufficiency wrote:
Someone should do some math and estimate each female champion's bust size based on their splash.

You know, for science.

Somebody did that on reddit.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
April 12 2014 03:59 GMT
#1269
Skins can't be used to give the actual characteristics since they aren't cannon. Janna's elfy ears would poke out of her hair anyway.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-12 04:10:44
April 12 2014 04:03 GMT
#1270
Got drop hacked for the first time. Pretty lame. Finally hit 40 LP and we were crushing this game as well. I guess at least I didn't lose LP.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 12 2014 04:11 GMT
#1271
http://www.twitch.tv/chairhandler

what da fuq.CARL
liftlift > tsm
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
April 12 2014 04:12 GMT
#1272
you cant play 3 games in diamond without getting drop hacked, pretty much unplayable atm. will be a pretty huge banwave once it finally hits. Not even really worth playing high elo atm.
I come in for the scraps
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
April 12 2014 04:15 GMT
#1273
On April 12 2014 09:24 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2014 09:07 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 12 2014 08:26 Sufficiency wrote:
On April 12 2014 08:20 arb wrote:
On April 12 2014 07:22 Sufficiency wrote:
On April 12 2014 07:06 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 12 2014 07:03 Sufficiency wrote:
I do think hybrid pen runes are good on Shyvana. Not 100% sure on guise though.

Screw guise, need liandries for maximum burn. And zhonyas for golden flying dragon swag points.


Give this guy a PhD.

I think guise/sorc boots has merit on shyvana if you get fed tbh. or as a last item.
adds so much extra damage to her when shes sitting on top of you eating your face


This is my issue with item analysis (like what that website I linked gives). Often, when you are ahead, your itemization choices do not matter - for example, I only build Liandry's on Amumu when I am ahead so I almost always win when I build this item. It gives very little indication that Liandry's is good on Amumu.

I dunno about that though. There are definitely cases where certain item builds are far superior when you're ahead than whem you're behind. The most common case is grabbing 3rd defensive item on adc after you completely smashed botlane and your damage stays relevant/high despite going 3rd defensive item.

Other cases include getting triforce/hydra on shen when he gets his defensive item timings super early on.


There are so many confounding factors that it'll almost always be misleading.

I also believe that certain itemization choices, such as building a defensive item as a third item on ADC, is very strong. But this is very difficult to detect using the data we have available from Riot, because:

1. How do you tell it's the third item? While I can tell you what is likely to be the third item, you can't actually tell the order which a player bought the items when you only have the end-game itemization data. For example, if a Lucian has BT, TF, LW, and BV at the end of the game, you can't actually tell which item was bought third.
2. Darian's-DCAP-on-Shyvana issue, which I have previously described. When you are winning you will get more gold for more items - and your itemization choices does not really matter.
3. Issue 2 in reverse: when you are losing, you may not be able to get the item you want. Maybe you got smashed so hard in lane that you never got around to get the money for a BV, which never built first.


I personally believe any meaningful itemization analysis requires the data as the game progresses, not just end-game data. I am not sure if this will ever be possible, but perhaps with in-client replay features we will be able to mine the replays for these things.


W2C isn't talking about statistics. He is just talking about general qualitative analysis. He probably missed the intent of your aside when he replied to you.

You're right though. There isn't any obviously good way to look at item purchases. Even if you have a measure of win probability based on the point in the match its difficult. It could be possible to use gold differential as a proxy for win probability (a pretty decent proxy for this really) and then treat the gold differential as a time series (where item purchases would be treated like structural breaks) and then the average effect of the structural break might give you some insight. But just eyeballing it this doesn't seem like it would capture the effect we want since it would only be consistent for exogenous structural breaks that had an exogenous effect. I don't know how(or if its even possible) to capture an endogenous structural break in a time series.

On April 12 2014 10:58 InfSunday wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2014 10:50 arb wrote:
On April 12 2014 10:46 Sufficiency wrote:
On April 12 2014 10:46 arb wrote:
On April 12 2014 10:45 Sufficiency wrote:
On April 12 2014 10:40 FinestHour wrote:
disgusting


You mean, "it's disgusting that Shyvana was NOT included in this picture: http://i.imgur.com/mWFhmj2.jpg, what an outrage!"

is the one next to riven caitlyn?


That is my guess as well, based on the brown hair and the gear on her hat.

i assume the one below is Janna also lolol.

but no joke 10/10 would buy all of them.


I thought she was Lux. Isn't Janna's hair more white? And I'm not sure if she has blue eyes either, hmm.

Who is back right with purple hair? edit: Oh, it's gotta be Morg, forgot her hair was purple.


Janna's tits are nearly Sona sized, so that is definitely not Janna
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
April 12 2014 04:16 GMT
#1274
It's Lux. One of the comments on DA somebody listed out who they thought it was and the artist confirmed it.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-12 04:40:29
April 12 2014 04:32 GMT
#1275
I got a little bored and decided to make this picture:

+ Show Spoiler +

http://i.imgur.com/Q2JUSb7.png

The champions closer to each other have more similar "characteristics". By characteristics, I mean the following variables:

- Average kills, death, assists, per minute, per game.
- Average physical, magical damage to champions, per minute, per game.
- Average damage taken, per minute, per game
- Average Largest multikill, largest killing spree, per game.
- Average Number of minions killed, number of monsters killed, per minute, per game.
- Average length of CC applied, per minute, per game

- What were NOT used: champion base stats, itemization choices, summoner spell choices, gold.

All of these variables are then compressed onto a 2D plot which you see using PCA.

The colours are done using Riot's official classification.

+ Show Spoiler +

In case you are curious:


Comp.1 Comp.2
championsKilled 0.447
assists -0.406
numDeaths 0.212 0.143
largestKillingSpree 0.436
largestMultiKill 0.444
physicalDamageDealtToChampions 0.274 -0.383
magicDamageDealtToChampions 0.545
minionsKilled 0.353 0.199
neutralMinionsKilled -0.475
totalTimeCrowdControlDealt -0.116
damageTaken -0.503






https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
April 12 2014 04:41 GMT
#1276
i got drophacked in urf
rofl.

game says attempting to reconnect, can't connect game ends then nothing in match history
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 12 2014 04:48 GMT
#1277
On April 12 2014 13:32 Sufficiency wrote:
I got a little bored and decided to make this picture:

+ Show Spoiler +

http://i.imgur.com/Q2JUSb7.png

The champions closer to each other have more similar "characteristics". By characteristics, I mean the following variables:

- Average kills, death, assists, per minute, per game.
- Average physical, magical damage to champions, per minute, per game.
- Average damage taken, per minute, per game
- Average Largest multikill, largest killing spree, per game.
- Average Number of minions killed, number of monsters killed, per minute, per game.
- Average length of CC applied, per minute, per game

- What were NOT used: champion base stats, itemization choices, summoner spell choices, gold.

All of these variables are then compressed onto a 2D plot which you see using PCA.

The colours are done using Riot's official classification.

+ Show Spoiler +

In case you are curious:


Comp.1 Comp.2
championsKilled 0.447
assists -0.406
numDeaths 0.212 0.143
largestKillingSpree 0.436
largestMultiKill 0.444
physicalDamageDealtToChampions 0.274 -0.383
magicDamageDealtToChampions 0.545
minionsKilled 0.353 0.199
neutralMinionsKilled -0.475
totalTimeCrowdControlDealt -0.116
damageTaken -0.503







ADC's has closest grouping, not surprised.
liftlift > tsm
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
April 12 2014 04:52 GMT
#1278
On April 12 2014 13:41 arb wrote:
i got drophacked in urf
rofl.

game says attempting to reconnect, can't connect game ends then nothing in match history

Gotta protect that temporary que winrate, yo.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
April 12 2014 04:53 GMT
#1279
This discussion has reminded me that there are no good Lux skins.

There are so many Lux skins I would buy, but alas. None of them exist.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
April 12 2014 04:53 GMT
#1280
On April 12 2014 13:48 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2014 13:32 Sufficiency wrote:
I got a little bored and decided to make this picture:

+ Show Spoiler +

http://i.imgur.com/Q2JUSb7.png

The champions closer to each other have more similar "characteristics". By characteristics, I mean the following variables:

- Average kills, death, assists, per minute, per game.
- Average physical, magical damage to champions, per minute, per game.
- Average damage taken, per minute, per game
- Average Largest multikill, largest killing spree, per game.
- Average Number of minions killed, number of monsters killed, per minute, per game.
- Average length of CC applied, per minute, per game

- What were NOT used: champion base stats, itemization choices, summoner spell choices, gold.

All of these variables are then compressed onto a 2D plot which you see using PCA.

The colours are done using Riot's official classification.

+ Show Spoiler +

In case you are curious:


Comp.1 Comp.2
championsKilled 0.447
assists -0.406
numDeaths 0.212 0.143
largestKillingSpree 0.436
largestMultiKill 0.444
physicalDamageDealtToChampions 0.274 -0.383
magicDamageDealtToChampions 0.545
minionsKilled 0.353 0.199
neutralMinionsKilled -0.475
totalTimeCrowdControlDealt -0.116
damageTaken -0.503







ADC's has closest grouping, not surprised.


Yes that's sort of the plan I have in mind.

I think support, mage, "tank", and fighters are grouped really well.

ADCs are grouped pretty well too, and we see Corki/Kog being a bit further away to the mage's cluster due to their magic damage.

The biggest issue is talon/zed/riven getting mixed up with the ADCs. It would be nice if I can separate them.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
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