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On March 23 2014 18:19 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2014 17:30 TokO wrote:
Is flash really that much of a must? I usually play Shyvana and Leona with Exhaust\Ignite, and it doesn't seem that bad. Yes, basically if you can get away with anything else you are playing against horrible people, gimping yourself severely, or lucking out on cheese. Shyvana and Leona should both definitely take flash. Leona more so but they both should.
Aside from things like Olaf who need ghost I feel like flash is pretty much mandatory
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On March 23 2014 17:30 TokO wrote:
Is flash really that much of a must? I usually play Shyvana and Leona with Exhaust\Ignite, and it doesn't seem that bad.
The only champions I've played that I don't take flash or ghost are Eve and Shaco.
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@Ketara it could be that heal is "simply" better in lane, but that exhaust is still much stronger lategame. Then it's not a binary choice anymore.
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On March 23 2014 18:38 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2014 17:30 TokO wrote:
Is flash really that much of a must? I usually play Shyvana and Leona with Exhaust\Ignite, and it doesn't seem that bad. The only champions I've played that I don't take flash or ghost are Eve and Shaco.
Eve ? Seriously ?
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So Heimer seems to be becoming a contested pick, even for top lane. I had a guy today insisting he go Heimer top. He got smashed by the enemy jungler, but the game after I had a Heimer end the game something like 12/3. Effect of visual update or legit strength?
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Soo Riot and GoT/HBO working together in advertisement.
Rito pls give us Red Viper Xin Zhao & Mountain that Rides Garen. White Walker Sejuani on a dead polar bear.
I can't think of anymore atm, but I'd buy the shit out of them, even though my RP is at a lovely 0 atm.
@above: Heimer is legit strong, but it also has to do with people not expecting his damage. Since he's never been played in a thousand years, people have forgotten how immobile he is. As soon as people start catching on to that, he'll be a lot less dominant.
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http://www.ongamers.com/articles/iem-world-championships-stats-breakdown-infographic/1100-1088/
Infographic on IEM.
18 games played total, 44/117 picked. By my count, there are about a dozen more champions who are viable, but unpicked due to the relatively low number of games. I think that a further dozen or so are a few small buffs short of being playable in competitive setting. I don't think it's likely to ever see much above 60 picks even over a longer period of time without more bans being available though.
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On March 23 2014 20:25 Doctorbeat wrote:
Soo Riot and GoT/HBO working together in advertisement.
Rito pls give us Red Viper Xin Zhao & Mountain that Rides Garen. White Walker Sejuani on a dead polar bear.
I can't think of anymore atm, but I'd buy the shit out of them, even though my RP is at a lovely 0 atm.
@above: Heimer is legit strong, but it also has to do with people not expecting his damage. Since he's never been played in a thousand years, people have forgotten how immobile he is. As soon as people start catching on to that, he'll be a lot less dominant.
then he just drops the super turret and 1v2s you and your jungle anyway
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heimer 59% winrate, 2nd is wukong with "only" 55% wtf this ridiculous
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On March 23 2014 18:38 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2014 17:30 TokO wrote:
Is flash really that much of a must? I usually play Shyvana and Leona with Exhaust\Ignite, and it doesn't seem that bad. The only champions I've played that I don't take flash or ghost are Eve and Shaco.
so how do you get out of teamfights as Eve once your ult shield is used up?
Never mind laning (you might be able to lane on many chars without flash if you simply play like a pussy) but as a frontliner in a teamfight you need flash (or ghost). Either you need it to flash after that pesky adc who used his own flash to run away from you, or you need it to back the fuck out once your hp drops significantly.
go and spectate a random bronze game and you will see 5 people fighting to the bitter end, if you watch the pros instead the tanks fight until they are at 30% or so, then they try to run away. If their team wins it means there is one more person to help with objectives after the fight.
Simply put, yes you "might" be able to play decently without flash, but you would play better if you had flash and used it properly.
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On March 23 2014 18:44 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
@Ketara it could be that heal is "simply" better in lane, but that exhaust is still much stronger lategame. Then it's not a binary choice anymore.
That would be nice, but I doubt it. Especially since they're buffing Exhaust much more than Heal, and currently nobody takes Heal over Exhaust anyway.
I think it's more likely that maybe Janna and Soraka will take Heal and nobody else will.
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On March 23 2014 20:19 JazzVortical wrote:
So Heimer seems to be becoming a contested pick, even for top lane. I had a guy today insisting he go Heimer top. He got smashed by the enemy jungler, but the game after I had a Heimer end the game something like 12/3. Effect of visual update or legit strength?
I remember Wings saying "Well hits turrets were OP before, but now they even LOOK OP."
Yea I had a Hiemer top in two of my games yesterday, won them both. One of the games was Hiemer vs Rengar, which is hilarious as Rengar is never allowed to have bush control.
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On March 24 2014 00:02 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2014 18:44 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
@Ketara it could be that heal is "simply" better in lane, but that exhaust is still much stronger lategame. Then it's not a binary choice anymore. That would be nice, but I doubt it. Especially since they're buffing Exhaust much more than Heal, and currently nobody takes Heal over Exhaust anyway. I think it's more likely that maybe Janna and Soraka will take Heal and nobody else will.
Running it if you have a mundo or swain on your team could be pretty strong too. Suddenly they'll need two ignites, (and very strong communication,) to properly counter their ults.
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OK guys, I think for my previous computations my mistake was far more grave than I imagined (sorry, shits happen and people make mistakes). I fixed the bug and ran a few champions over night. Here's the result for Leona, in particular.
How to read:
1. Bonus/Penalty: blue means Leona is strong against this champion, red means weak.
2. Green cells means this result has fairly strong (statistical) evidence. Yellow means very weak and should be taken with a grain of salt.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/oyHy4Ze.png)
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Can I get Lux again then? 
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On March 24 2014 01:54 Ketara wrote:Can I get Lux again then?
Yes. I am running it right now. Gonna take ~ 1 hour.
EDIT: here, for Lux
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/kx0QrC1.png)
Ahri disappeared, ha!
I don't see anything overwhelmingly odd, but overall I feel Lux does not have any particular strength/weaknesses.
Wait until you see the one for Tryndamere...
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leona weak against shaco
THE BAITS
know the feel
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On March 24 2014 02:04 Slayer91 wrote:
leona weak against shaco
THE BAITS
know the feel
Yeah, I am far more confident about these results. It has all the things which I think it should (strong against Ashe, Jinx, Blitz, weak against Janna/Thresh). The other ones are interesting though.
The data suggests Leona is weak against Wukong, in particular. I think it kind of makes sense considering how weak here peel is against Wukong's R.
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On March 23 2014 18:32 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2014 18:19 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On March 23 2014 17:30 TokO wrote:
Is flash really that much of a must? I usually play Shyvana and Leona with Exhaust\Ignite, and it doesn't seem that bad. Yes, basically if you can get away with anything else you are playing against horrible people, gimping yourself severely, or lucking out on cheese. Shyvana and Leona should both definitely take flash. Leona more so but they both should. Aside from things like Olaf who need ghost I feel like flash is pretty much mandatory
Vladimir also takes ghost over flash. But who plays vlad?
Also, new rune changes are pretty funny, you can get 30% CDR at level 18 just from runes. There must be some champions who don't like itemizing CDR who'd like to have at least some of it more than AP or mres... maybe Vlad? IDK.
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