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On March 20 2014 11:55 killerdog wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 05:12 nafta wrote:On March 20 2014 05:06 Slayer91 wrote:
No, you just have to not get greedy and don't get harassed much, so that diving is pretty hard. Diving only has a chance if the opponent is low hp, pantheon can block a couple shots but even still running around tower with W on one guy makes things really hard, if your jungler comes at that point its a guaranteed double kill.
Nasus also needs armour quints and cloth armour start obviously and most people are probably doing terrible things like lifesteal quints and doran shield start You can safely assume unless someone mains top he doesn't own armor quints let alone a page with them. My preseason mantaric all armour runepage disagrees. Has anyone had a chance to properly try out the new kassadin? The only place I managed to get to play him was blind pick normals, I could carry/snowball pretty easily and still burst people down, but my normal mmr is a ton lower then my ranked so it probably doesn't count for much. lvl 2 and 3 riftwalk just have stupidly low cooldowns, especially if you itemise some cdr somewhere into your build. And his "burst combo" is still pretty good, with a 2.1-2.4 ap ratio depending on how many autos you get off. Rift walking in, e aa w q and rift walking and you can do it in like 1.5s lategame, and he can then do it again 4s after that (it even gives mana back.). At least in the few games I tried it felt like a small enough window to get in, burst, and escape if their team isn't tightly stacked, or doesn't have any instant/targetted stuns. And he's literally impossible to catch in longer chases. Just getting like rod, archangels, and ap/cdr after that and you still do decent damage, are fairly tanky, and can basically run rings around anyone in a teamfight. It's also great fun to be fighting in jungle/near walls, as they basically can't keep you off their adc/squishies, as you'll just keep bouncing all over the place :D His early game is total shit though, has anyone actually managed to try him in a proper/semi-competitive environment yet?
personally i think Kass has been completely gutted. they took his weak laning phase and made it even weaker in order to give him what? an auto reset on his W? His low as shit ult cooldown won't be very relevant if he can't get the farm to stack mana or get items in general
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I actually like the rumble skin. If I got the hang of playing rumble/had money to spend I'd probably not buy it but thats besides the point.
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the games i saw him in people just picked talon or zed and dumpstered him even harder then they did before cuz lol q shield
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On March 20 2014 14:26 zergnewb wrote:
I actually like the rumble skin. If I got the hang of playing rumble/had money to spend I'd probably not buy it but thats besides the point.
I think for most people, it's okay. The problem is that people were expecting much better due to the teaser+hype surrounding it. It's not a bad skin by itself. The fact that they paired it up TTGL hype is what makes people have much higher hopes
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On March 20 2014 14:22 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 11:55 killerdog wrote:On March 20 2014 05:12 nafta wrote:On March 20 2014 05:06 Slayer91 wrote:
No, you just have to not get greedy and don't get harassed much, so that diving is pretty hard. Diving only has a chance if the opponent is low hp, pantheon can block a couple shots but even still running around tower with W on one guy makes things really hard, if your jungler comes at that point its a guaranteed double kill.
Nasus also needs armour quints and cloth armour start obviously and most people are probably doing terrible things like lifesteal quints and doran shield start You can safely assume unless someone mains top he doesn't own armor quints let alone a page with them. My preseason mantaric all armour runepage disagrees. Has anyone had a chance to properly try out the new kassadin? The only place I managed to get to play him was blind pick normals, I could carry/snowball pretty easily and still burst people down, but my normal mmr is a ton lower then my ranked so it probably doesn't count for much. lvl 2 and 3 riftwalk just have stupidly low cooldowns, especially if you itemise some cdr somewhere into your build. And his "burst combo" is still pretty good, with a 2.1-2.4 ap ratio depending on how many autos you get off. Rift walking in, e aa w q and rift walking and you can do it in like 1.5s lategame, and he can then do it again 4s after that (it even gives mana back.). At least in the few games I tried it felt like a small enough window to get in, burst, and escape if their team isn't tightly stacked, or doesn't have any instant/targetted stuns. And he's literally impossible to catch in longer chases. Just getting like rod, archangels, and ap/cdr after that and you still do decent damage, are fairly tanky, and can basically run rings around anyone in a teamfight. It's also great fun to be fighting in jungle/near walls, as they basically can't keep you off their adc/squishies, as you'll just keep bouncing all over the place :D His early game is total shit though, has anyone actually managed to try him in a proper/semi-competitive environment yet? personally i think Kass has been completely gutted. they took his weak laning phase and made it even weaker in order to give him what? an auto reset on his W? His low as shit ult cooldown won't be very relevant if he can't get the farm to stack mana or get items in general
The mana regen on his w is actually pretty silly for making pickoffs, you can be half mana, ult onto someone, q/e them, then w them, and be half mana again to just ult away. You don't really go oom at all unless you're ulting everywhere for no reason.
The shield on his q is also kind of interesting, theoretically lets him run up, q a creep, and back off again without taking any health damage. Not sure what matchups that would actually help in though.
Alternatively, maybe play him top in certain matchups? He might do decent against shyvana, either out trading with his q + shield, or kiting with his e, although he might go oom.
Obviously you can't play him like you used to, but having a flash on a 2s cd mid-lategame just seems to amazingly awesome to not at least try and figure out a way to get there.
On March 20 2014 14:39 FinestHour wrote:
the games i saw him in people just picked talon or zed and dumpstered him even harder then they did before cuz lol q shield
People are probably going to stop banning him soon, and there must be some kind of a niche lane setup that somehow gets him through to midgame only semi-destroyed. I'm curious as to how his mid-late plays out against decent players now.
Would be pretty cool if he found a role as a last pick counterpick against certain lanes/team comps, fitting into some mobility/uber-pickoff based team.
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On March 20 2014 14:48 killerdog wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 14:22 Ryuu314 wrote:On March 20 2014 11:55 killerdog wrote:On March 20 2014 05:12 nafta wrote:On March 20 2014 05:06 Slayer91 wrote:
No, you just have to not get greedy and don't get harassed much, so that diving is pretty hard. Diving only has a chance if the opponent is low hp, pantheon can block a couple shots but even still running around tower with W on one guy makes things really hard, if your jungler comes at that point its a guaranteed double kill.
Nasus also needs armour quints and cloth armour start obviously and most people are probably doing terrible things like lifesteal quints and doran shield start You can safely assume unless someone mains top he doesn't own armor quints let alone a page with them. My preseason mantaric all armour runepage disagrees. Has anyone had a chance to properly try out the new kassadin? The only place I managed to get to play him was blind pick normals, I could carry/snowball pretty easily and still burst people down, but my normal mmr is a ton lower then my ranked so it probably doesn't count for much. lvl 2 and 3 riftwalk just have stupidly low cooldowns, especially if you itemise some cdr somewhere into your build. And his "burst combo" is still pretty good, with a 2.1-2.4 ap ratio depending on how many autos you get off. Rift walking in, e aa w q and rift walking and you can do it in like 1.5s lategame, and he can then do it again 4s after that (it even gives mana back.). At least in the few games I tried it felt like a small enough window to get in, burst, and escape if their team isn't tightly stacked, or doesn't have any instant/targetted stuns. And he's literally impossible to catch in longer chases. Just getting like rod, archangels, and ap/cdr after that and you still do decent damage, are fairly tanky, and can basically run rings around anyone in a teamfight. It's also great fun to be fighting in jungle/near walls, as they basically can't keep you off their adc/squishies, as you'll just keep bouncing all over the place :D His early game is total shit though, has anyone actually managed to try him in a proper/semi-competitive environment yet? personally i think Kass has been completely gutted. they took his weak laning phase and made it even weaker in order to give him what? an auto reset on his W? His low as shit ult cooldown won't be very relevant if he can't get the farm to stack mana or get items in general The mana regen on his w is actually pretty silly for making pickoffs, you can be half mana, ult onto someone, q/e them, then w them, and be half mana again to just ult away. You don't really go oom at all unless you're ulting everywhere for no reason. The shield on his q is also kind of interesting, theoretically lets him run up, q a creep, and back off again without taking any health damage. Not sure what matchups that would actually help in though. Alternatively, maybe play him top in certain matchups? He might do decent against shyvana, either out trading with his q + shield, or kiting with his e, although he might go oom. Obviously you can't play him like you used to, but having a flash on a 2s cd mid-lategame just seems to amazingly awesome to not at least try and figure out a way to get there. Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 14:39 FinestHour wrote:
the games i saw him in people just picked talon or zed and dumpstered him even harder then they did before cuz lol q shield People are probably going to stop banning him soon, and there must be some kind of a niche lane setup that somehow gets him through to midgame only semi-destroyed. I'm curious as to how his mid-late plays out against decent players now. Would be pretty cool if he found a role as a last pick counterpick against certain lanes/team comps, fitting into some mobility/uber-pickoff based team.
theoretically his mid/late game is gonna be pretty good. The only problem is how the fuck are you gonna get him to that point. He has really low base stats for a melee champion, awful trading power, and no sustain. The shield you get from his
Q is pretty minimal and it doesn't seem like it's enough to let him lane properly. At least with old Kassadin, it was fine if you didn't get much farm since your roaming power was great even after the previous round of base damage nerfs due to your silence and slow. Now all you have is a slow, which usually won't be enough to secure kills.
I dunno, maybe someone will find a way to get Kass through his lane phase and he'll be a monster again, but I have no idea how. I suppose you could try to jungle him, but his terrible base armor and base damages in general is gonna make that really hard.
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On March 20 2014 15:07 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 14:48 killerdog wrote:On March 20 2014 14:22 Ryuu314 wrote:On March 20 2014 11:55 killerdog wrote:On March 20 2014 05:12 nafta wrote:On March 20 2014 05:06 Slayer91 wrote:
No, you just have to not get greedy and don't get harassed much, so that diving is pretty hard. Diving only has a chance if the opponent is low hp, pantheon can block a couple shots but even still running around tower with W on one guy makes things really hard, if your jungler comes at that point its a guaranteed double kill.
Nasus also needs armour quints and cloth armour start obviously and most people are probably doing terrible things like lifesteal quints and doran shield start You can safely assume unless someone mains top he doesn't own armor quints let alone a page with them. My preseason mantaric all armour runepage disagrees. Has anyone had a chance to properly try out the new kassadin? The only place I managed to get to play him was blind pick normals, I could carry/snowball pretty easily and still burst people down, but my normal mmr is a ton lower then my ranked so it probably doesn't count for much. lvl 2 and 3 riftwalk just have stupidly low cooldowns, especially if you itemise some cdr somewhere into your build. And his "burst combo" is still pretty good, with a 2.1-2.4 ap ratio depending on how many autos you get off. Rift walking in, e aa w q and rift walking and you can do it in like 1.5s lategame, and he can then do it again 4s after that (it even gives mana back.). At least in the few games I tried it felt like a small enough window to get in, burst, and escape if their team isn't tightly stacked, or doesn't have any instant/targetted stuns. And he's literally impossible to catch in longer chases. Just getting like rod, archangels, and ap/cdr after that and you still do decent damage, are fairly tanky, and can basically run rings around anyone in a teamfight. It's also great fun to be fighting in jungle/near walls, as they basically can't keep you off their adc/squishies, as you'll just keep bouncing all over the place :D His early game is total shit though, has anyone actually managed to try him in a proper/semi-competitive environment yet? personally i think Kass has been completely gutted. they took his weak laning phase and made it even weaker in order to give him what? an auto reset on his W? His low as shit ult cooldown won't be very relevant if he can't get the farm to stack mana or get items in general The mana regen on his w is actually pretty silly for making pickoffs, you can be half mana, ult onto someone, q/e them, then w them, and be half mana again to just ult away. You don't really go oom at all unless you're ulting everywhere for no reason. The shield on his q is also kind of interesting, theoretically lets him run up, q a creep, and back off again without taking any health damage. Not sure what matchups that would actually help in though. Alternatively, maybe play him top in certain matchups? He might do decent against shyvana, either out trading with his q + shield, or kiting with his e, although he might go oom. Obviously you can't play him like you used to, but having a flash on a 2s cd mid-lategame just seems to amazingly awesome to not at least try and figure out a way to get there. On March 20 2014 14:39 FinestHour wrote:
the games i saw him in people just picked talon or zed and dumpstered him even harder then they did before cuz lol q shield People are probably going to stop banning him soon, and there must be some kind of a niche lane setup that somehow gets him through to midgame only semi-destroyed. I'm curious as to how his mid-late plays out against decent players now. Would be pretty cool if he found a role as a last pick counterpick against certain lanes/team comps, fitting into some mobility/uber-pickoff based team. theoretically his mid/late game is gonna be pretty good. The only problem is how the fuck are you gonna get him to that point. He has really low base stats for a melee champion, awful trading power, and no sustain. The shield you get from his Q is pretty minimal and it doesn't seem like it's enough to let him lane properly. At least with old Kassadin, it was fine if you didn't get much farm since your roaming power was great even after the previous round of base damage nerfs due to your silence and slow. Now all you have is a slow, which usually won't be enough to secure kills. I dunno, maybe someone will find a way to get Kass through his lane phase and he'll be a monster again, but I have no idea how. I suppose you could try to jungle him, but his terrible base armor and base damages in general is gonna make that really hard.
Kass jangle, build AP/bruisery.
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On March 20 2014 10:58 cLutZ wrote:
The Doran shield nerf just made Mundo almost unplayable and made banning Renekton paramount to have an interesting toplane.
this made me cringe in more ways than one
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On March 20 2014 14:39 ketchup wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 14:26 zergnewb wrote:
I actually like the rumble skin. If I got the hang of playing rumble/had money to spend I'd probably not buy it but thats besides the point. I think for most people, it's okay. The problem is that people were expecting much better due to the teaser+hype surrounding it. It's not a bad skin by itself. The fact that they paired it up TTGL hype is what makes people have much higher hopes
As someone who's wanted a new rumble skin for over a year and then some this is pretty much awesome. The flamespitter looks so awesome, also what self respecting mecha wouldn't use rockets given a chance? I mean it's no missile massacre but it's pretty neat. I do agree that for people wanting some TTGL knockoff it's not it but I am personally okay with it being a tad more it's own thing over an anime that I thought was okay.
Hoping they put some more polish on it however.
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I thought that Kassadin got gutted too
Then Ryu went like 11/3 vs xPeke during Katowice and I wasn't so sure.
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On March 20 2014 16:29 ticklishmusic wrote:
I thought that Kassadin got gutted too
Then Ryu went like 11/3 vs xPeke during Katowice and I wasn't so sure.
That wasnt played on 4.4 though..?
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On March 20 2014 17:52 Thinasy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 16:29 ticklishmusic wrote:
I thought that Kassadin got gutted too
Then Ryu went like 11/3 vs xPeke during Katowice and I wasn't so sure. That wasnt played on 4.4 though..?
Nah that was good ol' 4.3
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Only Kass I saw was dumb and built FH-Muramana-Gauntlet then complained on mumble that GP was doing more damage than him despite the fact that he dumpstered in lane (he went top, and after my gank he indeed dumpstered him).
Turns out he spent his time ulting on top of Lucian, using EQW to do maybe 200 damage per spell, then straight-up dying, all before we get a chance to poke with Xerath or initiate with Nautilus so we'd fight 4v5.
Then again I had 3k HP, just under 300 armour with randuin's, tabi and FH on Nautilus, and Lucian did 1400+ damage to me with autos (w/o the passive, it's listed differently) in around 7 seconds, his LW the only ArPen/armour reduction source on their team (so still reduced autos to around 33% thanks to tabi on top of ruining his AS). I was pretty miffed.
Maybe he got super lucky with his 25% IE crits, though. Like that level 2 GP ult that did 1020 damage to me at one point. x)
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To the people complaining that the rumble skin doesn't have enough drill and the missiles were stupid... the missiles have drill warheads.
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how does Ahri's dash interact with Veigar E? Does she get stuck in the wall or does she dash through and get stunned or does she not get stunned at all?
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It's a dash, not a blink, so she'll be stunned at her arrival location.
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On March 20 2014 20:02 Alaric wrote:
It's a dash, not a blink, so she'll be stunned at her arrival location.
Doesn't the stun start counting at the point of passing the stun mid-dash, so she won't be stunned the full duration after?
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On March 20 2014 20:13 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 20:02 Alaric wrote:
It's a dash, not a blink, so she'll be stunned at her arrival location. Doesn't the stun start counting at the point of passing the stun mid-dash, so she won't be stunned the full duration after?
Not sure if it actually matters. Her R is extremely fast.
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Anyone tried jungle kassadin? In theory it should work.
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