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nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
March 17 2014 17:04 GMT
#2581
You can definitely duel most of those champs with same gold on some adcs.Dunno wtf you are talking about.
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
March 17 2014 17:16 GMT
#2582
On March 18 2014 01:56 Kupon3ss wrote:
Before we stray into the TL-LoL unapproved "what is a tank territory", why don't we just use the official Riot classifications, which state that neither ziggs nor gragas is an assassin unlike teemo or malz



Flash, supression, best malzassassin TL
hi
The_Unseen
Profile Joined March 2011
France1923 Posts
March 17 2014 17:19 GMT
#2583
On March 18 2014 01:26 Alaric wrote:
I don't know if it's them playing the match-up bad, but from the 2-3 Renekton I've played against with Lissandra it's refreshing not to have to cower in front of him like when I pick Jax or similar stuff.
Still a shitter, though, but if I become better it looks like I may have found an interesting alternative off laner (in terms of how the match-ups play out).


what nerfs?
I got five reasons for you to shut up
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
March 17 2014 17:20 GMT
#2584
On March 18 2014 02:16 Sponkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2014 01:56 Kupon3ss wrote:
Before we stray into the TL-LoL unapproved "what is a tank territory", why don't we just use the official Riot classifications, which state that neither ziggs nor gragas is an assassin unlike teemo or malz



Flash, supression, best malzassassin TL

to be fair Riot's categories for these things are weirdly off sometimes
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 17 2014 17:21 GMT
#2585
On March 18 2014 02:19 The_Unseen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2014 01:26 Alaric wrote:
I don't know if it's them playing the match-up bad, but from the 2-3 Renekton I've played against with Lissandra it's refreshing not to have to cower in front of him like when I pick Jax or similar stuff.
Still a shitter, though, but if I become better it looks like I may have found an interesting alternative off laner (in terms of how the match-ups play out).


what nerfs?

Uh?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 17 2014 17:22 GMT
#2586
On March 18 2014 02:04 nafta wrote:
You can definitely duel most of those champs with same gold on some adcs.Dunno wtf you are talking about.

Not on equal gold before defensive item.
liftlift > tsm
The_Unseen
Profile Joined March 2011
France1923 Posts
March 17 2014 17:26 GMT
#2587
On March 18 2014 02:21 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2014 02:19 The_Unseen wrote:
On March 18 2014 01:26 Alaric wrote:
I don't know if it's them playing the match-up bad, but from the 2-3 Renekton I've played against with Lissandra it's refreshing not to have to cower in front of him like when I pick Jax or similar stuff.
Still a shitter, though, but if I become better it looks like I may have found an interesting alternative off laner (in terms of how the match-ups play out).


what nerfs?

Uh?


As you may know I main Kayle in multiple positions, and the changes were NOT a nerf contrarily to popular belief, the tradeoff we got on W ratios and free ult are too big
I got five reasons for you to shut up
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 17 2014 17:48 GMT
#2588
On March 18 2014 02:26 The_Unseen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2014 02:21 Alaric wrote:
On March 18 2014 02:19 The_Unseen wrote:
On March 18 2014 01:26 Alaric wrote:
I don't know if it's them playing the match-up bad, but from the 2-3 Renekton I've played against with Lissandra it's refreshing not to have to cower in front of him like when I pick Jax or similar stuff.
Still a shitter, though, but if I become better it looks like I may have found an interesting alternative off laner (in terms of how the match-ups play out).


what nerfs?

Uh?


As you may know I main Kayle in multiple positions, and the changes were NOT a nerf contrarily to popular belief, the tradeoff we got on W ratios and free ult are too big

The ult mana buff was before they did the heal ratio change with the q nerfs.
liftlift > tsm
The_Unseen
Profile Joined March 2011
France1923 Posts
March 17 2014 18:06 GMT
#2589
Yeah ok. Way to play on words
I got five reasons for you to shut up
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
March 17 2014 18:08 GMT
#2590
On March 18 2014 02:48 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2014 02:26 The_Unseen wrote:
On March 18 2014 02:21 Alaric wrote:
On March 18 2014 02:19 The_Unseen wrote:
On March 18 2014 01:26 Alaric wrote:
I don't know if it's them playing the match-up bad, but from the 2-3 Renekton I've played against with Lissandra it's refreshing not to have to cower in front of him like when I pick Jax or similar stuff.
Still a shitter, though, but if I become better it looks like I may have found an interesting alternative off laner (in terms of how the match-ups play out).


what nerfs?

Uh?


As you may know I main Kayle in multiple positions, and the changes were NOT a nerf contrarily to popular belief, the tradeoff we got on W ratios and free ult are too big

The ult mana buff was before they did the heal ratio change with the q nerfs.

Seems to be the same patch according the LoL Wiki.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
March 17 2014 18:12 GMT
#2591
On March 18 2014 02:22 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2014 02:04 nafta wrote:
You can definitely duel most of those champs with same gold on some adcs.Dunno wtf you are talking about.

Not on equal gold before defensive item.


You can if you're Vayne.
darkness overpowering
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 17 2014 18:23 GMT
#2592
On March 18 2014 02:26 The_Unseen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2014 02:21 Alaric wrote:
On March 18 2014 02:19 The_Unseen wrote:
On March 18 2014 01:26 Alaric wrote:
I don't know if it's them playing the match-up bad, but from the 2-3 Renekton I've played against with Lissandra it's refreshing not to have to cower in front of him like when I pick Jax or similar stuff.
Still a shitter, though, but if I become better it looks like I may have found an interesting alternative off laner (in terms of how the match-ups play out).


what nerfs?

Uh?


As you may know I main Kayle in multiple positions, and the changes were NOT a nerf contrarily to popular belief, the tradeoff we got on W ratios and free ult are too big

But I never mentioned Kayle anywhere in my post. You sure you quoted the right one?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 17 2014 18:27 GMT
#2593
On March 18 2014 03:12 ghrur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2014 02:22 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 18 2014 02:04 nafta wrote:
You can definitely duel most of those champs with same gold on some adcs.Dunno wtf you are talking about.

Not on equal gold before defensive item.


You can if you're Vayne.

Vayne is the only one, but you have to completely outplay the opponent to do so.
liftlift > tsm
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35160 Posts
March 17 2014 18:33 GMT
#2594
On March 18 2014 03:08 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2014 02:48 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 18 2014 02:26 The_Unseen wrote:
On March 18 2014 02:21 Alaric wrote:
On March 18 2014 02:19 The_Unseen wrote:
On March 18 2014 01:26 Alaric wrote:
I don't know if it's them playing the match-up bad, but from the 2-3 Renekton I've played against with Lissandra it's refreshing not to have to cower in front of him like when I pick Jax or similar stuff.
Still a shitter, though, but if I become better it looks like I may have found an interesting alternative off laner (in terms of how the match-ups play out).


what nerfs?

Uh?


As you may know I main Kayle in multiple positions, and the changes were NOT a nerf contrarily to popular belief, the tradeoff we got on W ratios and free ult are too big

The ult mana buff was before they did the heal ratio change with the q nerfs.

Seems to be the same patch according the LoL Wiki.

Can confirm from memory, wathing the PBE closely too stronk.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 17 2014 18:46 GMT
#2595
On March 18 2014 03:08 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2014 02:48 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 18 2014 02:26 The_Unseen wrote:
On March 18 2014 02:21 Alaric wrote:
On March 18 2014 02:19 The_Unseen wrote:
On March 18 2014 01:26 Alaric wrote:
I don't know if it's them playing the match-up bad, but from the 2-3 Renekton I've played against with Lissandra it's refreshing not to have to cower in front of him like when I pick Jax or similar stuff.
Still a shitter, though, but if I become better it looks like I may have found an interesting alternative off laner (in terms of how the match-ups play out).


what nerfs?

Uh?


As you may know I main Kayle in multiple positions, and the changes were NOT a nerf contrarily to popular belief, the tradeoff we got on W ratios and free ult are too big

The ult mana buff was before they did the heal ratio change with the q nerfs.

Seems to be the same patch according the LoL Wiki.

Ah. Looks like I was wrong.
liftlift > tsm
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
March 17 2014 18:53 GMT
#2596
If this is somehow a TTGL-related skin, I'm going to regrettably become a Rumble main. Fuck.

[image loading]

From S@20
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35160 Posts
March 17 2014 19:03 GMT
#2597
On March 18 2014 03:53 AsmodeusXI wrote:
If this is somehow a TTGL-related skin, I'm going to regrettably become a Rumble main. Fuck.

[image loading]

From S@20

Rework/VU inc, complete with sky is falling kneejerk reactions about how Riot has ruined Rumble and he will never ever be playable, let alone "viable" again.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-17 19:07:41
March 17 2014 19:06 GMT
#2598
What does that imply for Bandle City. @_@

(Also as much as I dislike Rumble as a champion to face, after reading his background/judgement/VO he's actually pretty decent, deeper than a bunch of champions since there was no obvious cliche to tie him to.)
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
March 17 2014 19:07 GMT
#2599
On March 18 2014 03:53 AsmodeusXI wrote:
If this is somehow a TTGL-related skin, I'm going to regrettably become a Rumble main. Fuck.

[image loading]

From S@20

Seconded
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
March 17 2014 19:15 GMT
#2600
TTGL?
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
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