EPT[Patch 4.3] Vel'Koz General Discussion - Page 129
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cLutZ
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On March 18 2014 00:28 TheYango wrote: Goumindong your information about DotA is a mix of outdated and plan wrong. Does agility no longer give damage attack speed and armor for agility champions? | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
hyper carries in dota are usually utter shit early and some require a trilane to baby them. in some versions stuff like spectre was basically unplayable. there are a bunch of tradeoffs to get that hyper carry late game online | ||
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
On March 18 2014 00:28 TheYango wrote: Goumindong your information about DotA is a mix of outdated and plan wrong.  | ||
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
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Omnishroud
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On March 18 2014 01:13 Omnishroud wrote: Am i dota general discussion, when did i take a wrong turn. know that feel teutparty quote to [Broken Watch]: Oh btw LoL dh thread wasn't 46 pages i think i opened dota2 thread by mistake no wonder they were all talking about dota2 figures Broken watch: Real | ||
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WiseBagus
Canada452 Posts
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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Kupon3ss
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Diamond
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
On March 18 2014 01:18 WiseBagus wrote: Is Ziggs the best non-assassin midlaner right now? Orianna is still good! | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Still a shitter, though, but if I become better it looks like I may have found an interesting alternative off laner (in terms of how the match-ups play out). | ||
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YouGotNothin
United States907 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On March 18 2014 01:18 WiseBagus wrote: Is Ziggs the best non-assassin midlaner right now? Something that 1shots everything it touches is still an assassin to me .-. Actually Ziggs might have the very strongest burst in the game, especially if the satchel thingy hits. | ||
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Tianx
United States1196 Posts
On March 18 2014 01:27 YouGotNothin wrote: is Kayle still considered good in midlane also? or did the nerfs hit her too hard? 3rd highest winrate in the game behind Wu and Ziggs, you better believe it. If anything the changes made her stronger, she might be even more of a lane bully now. She can't insta 1-shot people late game anymore but the added utility she brings definitely makes up for it. At 16 and max CDR she can ult someone every 36 seconds for 0 mana, that shit is insane. | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
On March 18 2014 01:45 Shikyo wrote: Something that 1shots everything it touches is still an assassin to me .-. I think to really count as an assassin, there's needs to be little/no outplay potential for the squishy: no way to ever duel them. e.g. no ADC will ever duel a Leblanc, Zed, Kha in a normal situation. You cannot outplay them 1v1. Whereas Ziggs, if you dodge a bomb you will probably kill him first. That leaves the question of whether Gragas is an assassin: | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On March 18 2014 01:49 Alzadar wrote: I think to really count as an assassin, there's needs to be little/no outplay potential for the squishy: no way to ever duel them. e.g. no ADC will ever duel a Leblanc, Zed, Kha in a normal situation. You cannot outplay them 1v1. Whereas Ziggs, if you dodge a bomb you will probably kill him first. That leaves the question of whether Gragas is an assassin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CH8Z4usZVo So an assassin is a click-a-target champion and skillshot champions aren't assassins? To be frank, this doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to me. It practically means that Zed is not an assassin. | ||
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Kupon3ss
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
On March 18 2014 01:51 Shikyo wrote: So an assassin is a click-a-target champion and skillshot champions aren't assassins? To be frank, this doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to me. It practically means that Zed is not an assassin. Not necessarily about skillshot vs targeted. Fizz has an important skillshot but is obviously an assassin. The distinction is the ability to outplay: no ADC will ever duel Fizz on remotely even gold, same for Zed, or damage Rengar, Kha, Akali, etc etc. This is not the case for Ziggs, Riven, Nocturne, etc. where you can dodge/flash/outplay and kill them. | ||
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