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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
January 29 2014 03:42 GMT
#2581
I almost feel like CJ took a great team and ruined it.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
January 29 2014 03:49 GMT
#2582
Holy shit Guan Yu Trynd skin is soooooooo sick.
Forever Young
Omnishroud
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
1073 Posts
January 29 2014 04:16 GMT
#2583
Hey what happened to the locodoco uber korean team that came to NA to compete and played a tourney on level 15 accounts? D:
Omni = Capped (RIP TL Account) - LoL EUW: Capped92 - EU Bnet: Capped#1137 - Steam: Capped92
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
January 29 2014 04:17 GMT
#2584
On January 29 2014 13:16 Omnishroud wrote:
Hey what happened to the locodoco uber korean team that came to NA to compete and played a tourney on level 15 accounts? D:

They failed in the Ro6 to play for a spot.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
January 29 2014 04:18 GMT
#2585
On January 29 2014 13:16 Omnishroud wrote:
Hey what happened to the locodoco uber korean team that came to NA to compete and played a tourney on level 15 accounts? D:

They failed to qualify for the LCS qualifier, the team disbanded, and they all moved back to Korea.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
January 29 2014 04:23 GMT
#2586
On January 29 2014 12:49 sung_moon wrote:
Holy shit Guan Yu Trynd skin is soooooooo sick.

Despite the fact that the characters are totally different lol
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
January 29 2014 04:34 GMT
#2587
Did the -20 dmg on champion auto attacks on mid/top but not bot outer turrets go through?
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-29 04:47:03
January 29 2014 04:37 GMT
#2588
Does anyone remember how to check which division your promotion series will lead you to, should you win it? I remember there is a way but I forgot how.

Never mind. I think I can't check it if I am already in promotion series.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
January 29 2014 04:47 GMT
#2589
On January 29 2014 13:34 Cyro wrote:
Did the -20 dmg on champion auto attacks on mid/top but not bot outer turrets go through?

Yes.
Shiznick
Profile Joined December 2008
United States2200 Posts
January 29 2014 04:55 GMT
#2590
On January 29 2014 12:42 Sufficiency wrote:
I almost feel like CJ took a great team and ruined it.

Please elaborate. In my opinion, CJ took a great team and it just so happened that the team was nearing the end of its competitive relevancy, so now they're taking the necessary steps to make sure that their second squad remains an OGN contender.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-29 05:00:16
January 29 2014 05:00 GMT
#2591
On January 29 2014 13:47 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2014 13:34 Cyro wrote:
Did the -20 dmg on champion auto attacks on mid/top but not bot outer turrets go through?

Yes.

Really dont think when you get a dorans blade or two its a huge deal, they still die really fast, while doing absolutely nothing if you get dove
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
January 29 2014 05:01 GMT
#2592
On January 29 2014 13:55 Shiznick wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2014 12:42 Sufficiency wrote:
I almost feel like CJ took a great team and ruined it.

Please elaborate. In my opinion, CJ took a great team and it just so happened that the team was nearing the end of its competitive relevancy, so now they're taking the necessary steps to make sure that their second squad remains an OGN contender.


Feels to me that CJ chose to bench Rapidstar but couldn't find a replacement. Was GBM/Maknoob a significant improvement over Rapidstar?
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
January 29 2014 05:14 GMT
#2593
Tryndamere advertising on nightblue3's stream...

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[image loading]
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14220 Posts
January 29 2014 05:17 GMT
#2594
Tryndamere advertising on Sufficiency's post about nightblue3's stream:

On January 29 2014 14:14 Sufficiency wrote:
Tryndamere advertising on nightblue3's stream...

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[image loading]

A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
January 29 2014 05:25 GMT
#2595
On January 29 2014 14:17 Sermokala wrote:
Tryndamere advertising on Sufficiency's post about nightblue3's stream:

Show nested quote +
On January 29 2014 14:14 Sufficiency wrote:
Tryndamere advertising on nightblue3's stream...

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[image loading]



DAMN I AM FOUND OUT
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Omnishroud
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
1073 Posts
January 29 2014 05:27 GMT
#2596
On January 29 2014 14:25 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2014 14:17 Sermokala wrote:
Tryndamere advertising on Sufficiency's post about nightblue3's stream:

On January 29 2014 14:14 Sufficiency wrote:
Tryndamere advertising on nightblue3's stream...

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]



DAMN I AM FOUND OUT


He has such an annoying personality but his stream is really informative, unfortunately D:
Omni = Capped (RIP TL Account) - LoL EUW: Capped92 - EU Bnet: Capped#1137 - Steam: Capped92
ZataN
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand414 Posts
January 29 2014 05:32 GMT
#2597
On January 29 2014 14:01 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2014 13:55 Shiznick wrote:
On January 29 2014 12:42 Sufficiency wrote:
I almost feel like CJ took a great team and ruined it.

Please elaborate. In my opinion, CJ took a great team and it just so happened that the team was nearing the end of its competitive relevancy, so now they're taking the necessary steps to make sure that their second squad remains an OGN contender.


Feels to me that CJ chose to bench Rapidstar but couldn't find a replacement. Was GBM/Maknoob a significant improvement over Rapidstar?

I think Maknoon and GBM were an improvement over Rapidstar, however both GBM and Maknoon have their own problems that are holding them back.
GBM has like the worst champ pool ever, and maknoon seems to have performance issues, not really sure why. Probably the pressure on maknoon to perform 2 stronk.
CJ BABY | FAKER > PAWN BELIEVE IT
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
January 29 2014 05:42 GMT
#2598
On January 29 2014 13:34 Cyro wrote:
Did the -20 dmg on champion auto attacks on mid/top but not bot outer turrets go through?

According to Morello, it's only supposed to be a temporary measure until they figure out something more elegant. It was also only supposed to last the first 8 minutes of the game.

However, I have my doubts.
Shiznick
Profile Joined December 2008
United States2200 Posts
January 29 2014 05:45 GMT
#2599
On January 29 2014 14:01 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2014 13:55 Shiznick wrote:
On January 29 2014 12:42 Sufficiency wrote:
I almost feel like CJ took a great team and ruined it.

Please elaborate. In my opinion, CJ took a great team and it just so happened that the team was nearing the end of its competitive relevancy, so now they're taking the necessary steps to make sure that their second squad remains an OGN contender.


Feels to me that CJ chose to bench Rapidstar but couldn't find a replacement. Was GBM/Maknoob a significant improvement over Rapidstar?

All three were inadequate for Frost to compete at a top OGN level. However, you can't fault the CJ organization for fielding GBM/Maknoon even if they were at a similar level to Rapidstar, because they saw some sort of potential (please no CLG jokes, this isn't reddit) in those players that didn't come to fruition when it came to match time. I think it reflects better on an organization to bench an underperforming player, and try out new blood than to just assume that the player they have is the best they can get.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
January 29 2014 05:48 GMT
#2600
On January 29 2014 14:01 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2014 13:55 Shiznick wrote:
On January 29 2014 12:42 Sufficiency wrote:
I almost feel like CJ took a great team and ruined it.

Please elaborate. In my opinion, CJ took a great team and it just so happened that the team was nearing the end of its competitive relevancy, so now they're taking the necessary steps to make sure that their second squad remains an OGN contender.


Feels to me that CJ chose to bench Rapidstar but couldn't find a replacement. Was GBM/Maknoob a significant improvement over Rapidstar?


I have deleted 2 other responses to this post because I didn't think they encapsulated the history enough.

Basically, CJ Frost has been a team that had been riding the line between Good and Elite for quite some time, and its obvious that the CJ Organization will settle for nothing less than that, and will look to be an elite team. This may or may not be a realistic thing given how hard it is to assemble an elite team, and how competitive OGN is.

But consider Frost was 2nd in OGN Spring 2012, won OGN Summer 2012, took 2nd at S2 worlds (and that, was probably underperforming for them/TPA being the luckiest team ever), then sent Shy with Blaze to MLG where he became as close to a consensus #1 Toplaner as we have had in LOL since the days of HSGG. 2nd in IEM, 2nd in OGN winter. This is the team that CJ thought they were buying.

Then they get 4th consecutively in OGN, during this time Woong, Rapidstar, and CT all underperform situationally. First they try to replace Woong with Hermes because Madlife, and they still do fine. Then they replace Hermes with Space, and do fine. But then somehow they miss out on worlds, and CT and Rapidstar and GBM all play terribly compared to what CJ wanted. Worst of all, its not like they are the SKTT1S babies, guys like Rapidstar and CT are established players, they aren't going to grow so if you aren't satisfied you have to move on. Same with Helios, I don't know why they tried that.

CJ probably wants a high-potential team to go along with Blaze, who they view as their team with a chance to compete in Spring. You can agree or disagree with that, but I definitely agree that Frost is not a top 4 team right now and wouldn't be with any iteration of the current roster.
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