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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
On December 31 2013 11:28 Fusilero wrote: My guide to aram: Does it have AP scalings? AP *INSERT CHAMPION HERE* idk about new aram, but in old aram where you had no regenration and no free gold, this actually was a super pro thing to do :D I MISS SR ARAM | ||
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
On December 31 2013 11:33 LaNague wrote: idk about new aram, but in old aram where you had no regenration and no free gold, this actually was a super pro thing to do :D I MISS SR ARAM free gold? oh yeah ancient coin is super core on anything in aram I think | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
On December 31 2013 11:35 clickrush wrote: free gold? oh yeah ancient coin is super core on anything in aram I think the ambient gold on howling abyss is increased by a lot, im pretty sure. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
On December 31 2013 11:29 Chrispy wrote: If Plord does get sued the internet will come to his rescue and send him millions of dollars. DERP ended up DDOSing Reddit, so they won't did it. You are underestimating the amount of money the litigation (to say nothing of the damages) that he's potentially liable for, especially giving how damning the evidence can be. If you just played a clip of Pl0rd basically telling them to shut down a server if he loses, your case is pretty air-tight. I personally want to see PL pay for aiding and abetting their spree, but eh, not familiar enough with this particular corpus of law. | ||
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
On December 31 2013 11:37 Lord Tolkien wrote: DERP ended up DDOSing Reddit, so they won't did it. You are underestimating the amount of money the litigation (to say nothing of the damages) that he's potentially liable for, especially giving how damning the evidence can be. If you just played a clip of Pl0rd basically telling them to shut down a server if he loses, you're case is pretty air-tight. I personally want to see PL pay for aiding and abetting their spree, but eh, not familiar enough with this particular corpus of law. Fairly certain the chances of actual litigation against someone who talked to the people responsible and perchance profited off of it seems pretty dubious considering all those crime shows on NatGeo who sit down with actual criminals and make money off of it. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On December 31 2013 11:41 Parnage wrote: Fairly certain the chances of actual litigation against someone who talked to the people responsible and perchance profited off of it seems pretty dubious considering all those crime shows on NatGeo who sit down with actual criminals and make money off of it. Difference is in those cases, NatGeo has a legion of lawyers telling them what's legal and what isn't. IE. what falls under "journalism" and what is merely money grubbing tactics. | ||
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
On December 31 2013 11:44 Ryuu314 wrote: Difference is in those cases, NatGeo has a legion of lawyers telling them what's legal and what isn't. IE. what falls under "journalism" and what is merely money grubbing tactics. Greed isn't illegal last time I checked. But eh, to be honest I don't see anything really happening to him unless he happened to be behind it all(doubtful). Go after him or.. the people who did it, what would you toss resources behind? | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22695 Posts
On December 31 2013 11:41 Parnage wrote: Fairly certain the chances of actual litigation against someone who talked to the people responsible and perchance profited off of it seems pretty dubious considering all those crime shows on NatGeo who sit down with actual criminals and make money off of it. Its one thing to interview a criminal, its another to ask them to shut down a game and then have them do so. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
On December 31 2013 11:44 Ryuu314 wrote: Difference is in those cases, NatGeo has a legion of lawyers telling them what's legal and what isn't. IE. what falls under "journalism" and what is merely money grubbing tactics. You are correct, partially, but there's a key distinction in that NatGeo/Investigative Discovery conducts interviews and films crime shows (long) after they were committed, tried, and convicted. This is a CRITICAL distinction from what PhantomLord did, in that he interacted with the alleged DDOSer during the spree itself, incited and encouraged further acts of DDOSing (even if he wasn't "serious" with the whole DotA2 server shutdown), resulting in financial and technical difficulties for the plantiffs and their customers, while directly gaining from the act (financially or through shameless self-promotion) and the resultant damages as it occurred. The former is generally harmless and certainly acceptable. The latter is assuredly not. On December 31 2013 11:50 Gorsameth wrote: Its one thing to interview a criminal, its another to ask them to shut down a game and then have them do so. Basically. No matter his initial uninvolvement, he's pretty much damned given the evidence provided by his stream IF Volvo/others wanted to actually pursue it. | ||
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
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Volband
Hungary6034 Posts
On December 31 2013 11:37 Lord Tolkien wrote: DERP ended up DDOSing Reddit, so they won't did it. You are underestimating the amount of money the litigation (to say nothing of the damages) that he's potentially liable for, especially giving how damning the evidence can be. If you just played a clip of Pl0rd basically telling them to shut down a server if he loses, your case is pretty air-tight. I personally want to see PL pay for aiding and abetting their spree, but eh, not familiar enough with this particular corpus of law. Wow dude, I get that PL is the most spineless human being in your eyes now, and I won't even argue about the whole viewership thingy, but you have to separate it from derp's actions - except dota2. If we take personal gains out of the picture, PL did what many of us would've done as well. He found it amusing that real hackers were "into him", and that they were willing to chat with him. Hell, I was somewhat pumped up watching it, not to mention if I could be in his place. He had nothing to do with the attacks - still, except dota2 -, and I don't know why would you want to make him pay Riot's, Disney's or EA's loss just because he gave the hackers audience. You are assuming here that the hackers continued the attacks only because PL was all buddy-buddy with them. I'm petty sure if a group can cripple a Riot server so hard, they can gain publicity as well just as easily. Yes, what he did was wrong overall, but I think his actions are quite understandable. Some people get wet by hackers. As for dota2, he was really stupid, which doesn't account for much at the court, but I think Valve has better things to do, then to go out on a witchhung against a guy, who made a stupid statement. What Valve should do is send him a letter, where they explain to him, that he could be working his ass off in Syberia for the rest of his life if they wanted to punish him for his stupidity. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On December 31 2013 11:53 SagaZ wrote: oh god, the internet law squad is on the case again This is how I feel about this issue, good sir. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22695 Posts
On December 31 2013 11:56 Ketara wrote: This is how I feel about this issue, good sir. Say what you will. The fact that police are on his door and during a full search within 3 hours going by his tweet means someone somewhere is taking his highly. | ||
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Aevera
United States105 Posts
On December 31 2013 12:03 Gorsameth wrote: Say what you will. The fact that police are on his door and during a full search within 3 hours going by his tweet means someone somewhere is taking his highly. Wasn't it just that someone called the police and said there was a hostage situation at his house? Or was that just a rumor. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22695 Posts
On December 31 2013 12:05 Aevera wrote: Wasn't it just that someone called the police and said there was a hostage situation at his house? Or was that just a rumor. That seems like something that is quickly and easily cleared up. | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
I'm petty sure if a group can cripple a Riot server so hard, they can gain publicity as well just as easily. The only reason this isnt done often is because those big corporations have the resources to track you down. Tons of people could do it, but 99% of them dont want to go to jail for one day of having 300k people knowing your internet nickname. Wasn't it just that someone called the police and said there was a hostage situation at his house? Or was that just a rumor. he later posted that they searched his PC for ip adresses and such, i dont know which story is true...hostage fake call or PC confiscation. Maybe fake hostage call and after he explained himself, they looked for the caller and. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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Volband
Hungary6034 Posts
On December 31 2013 12:08 LaNague wrote: The only reason this isnt done often is because those big corporations have the resources to track you down. Tons of people could do it, but 99% of them dont want to go to jail for one day of having 300k people knowing your internet nickname. My question then: how is that possible? Why do you leave the possibility to be hacked by "tons of people", when your best arguement is that you would track them down eventually? Is it perfectly normal to leave such investments and gold mines on such weak pillars? | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22695 Posts
On December 31 2013 12:12 Volband wrote: My question then: how is that possible? Why do you leave the possibility to be hacked by "tons of people", when your best arguement is that you would track them down eventually? Is it perfectly normal to leave such investments and gold mines on such weak pillars? Because its almost impossible to stop a DDOS. its like flooding your mailbox with a million letters, If your letterbox is to small to handle it your only other option is to close the lid. Which does the exact same thing. | ||
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