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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On November 20 2013 05:49 Amethyst21 wrote: The Worlds numbers seemed high, but I don't have the slightest bit of experience in calculating Korean or Chinese TV/stream numbers so I assume RIOT isn't lying, because, frankly, it would be idiotic to. Leigh Smith @RiotDeman 4h When something is hugely successful in eSports, those that try to promote it get sceptical and untrusting. Oh how I love this industry. I really like that Deman quote. If I was Scoots or TotalBiscuit I'd be heralding the numbers. Sure they seem high, maybe they aren't 100% accurate, but being able to tell a sponsor you pulled in numbers like this is pretty huge for EG. Being able to tell people you work in an industry that's on the rise with numbers like this would be great for TotalBiscuit too. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On November 20 2013 05:49 cLutZ wrote: Breaking Bad was secretly unpopular. NCIS gets like triple that on a Tuesday. Because it wasn't behind a paywall. :p | ||
Kinky
United States4126 Posts
On November 19 2013 21:30 Chexx wrote: http://www.tving.com/micro/lol/league/game.do?category=rune just got updated Sweet! Thanks :D | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
On November 20 2013 05:49 cLutZ wrote: Breaking Bad was secretly unpopular. NCIS gets like triple that on a Tuesday. NCIS is the most popular show in the states and gets ~20 million viewers. I am curious though, do other countries publish viewer numbers? I would be interested in seeing World Cup numbers. I know that in the US in 2010 ABC + univision reported 20 million viewers combined, but also that soccer isnt incredibly popular in the states. How do the numbers compare in other countries? | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21245 Posts
On November 20 2013 05:48 TheRabidDeer wrote: While true, it wasn't exactly an optimal time to watch in those other continents (was it? It was on during prime time american time zones right, since it was in staples center?). Last year, Riot claimed 32 million active players/month. 8 million of which tuned in at some point to watch some of the finals. Unless the game somehow became a super spectator sport (I think LoL is incredibly spectator unfriendly to those that dont play, personally) that would mean there are at least 128 million active players/month to get a similar ratio of watching/playing. I find the numbers a bit high to believe myself, for a game at a non-ideal time. It was int he morning in China and Korea on a weekend, not as good as prime time but certainly not bad. I think you don't realize just how many people there are in China and Korea when you have an all-Asian finals. If there was a China-Korea finals last year the number probably would've been significantly higher than 1.1m. And IIRC times were much worst for Asia last season - like 6am instaed of 11pm? Something like that? On November 20 2013 05:51 xes wrote: Pls i herd nfl has contract with chinamen to stream it to all 1.3 billion of dem fk i knew it fking chinamen fking nfl op On November 20 2013 05:56 overt wrote: I think you mean China vs KR final. Because last year was TPA versus Frost...and they're both pretty Asian. what frost is clearly NA woong helped start quantic pls | ||
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overt
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On November 20 2013 05:52 TheRabidDeer wrote: NCIS is the most popular show in the states and gets ~20 million viewers. I am curious though, do other countries publish viewer numbers? I would be interested in seeing World Cup numbers. I know that in the US in 2010 ABC + univision reported 20 million viewers combined, but also that soccer isnt incredibly popular in the states. How do the numbers compare in other countries? Just saying. More people talk about Breaking Bad than watch it. Its like Baseball, Louie, The Newsroom, 30 Rock, etc. TV critics in LA/NYC love them and write about them all day. Meanwhile Basketball, Walking Dead, Game of Thrones, Big Bang, etc actually get eyeballs. | ||
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EquilasH
Denmark2142 Posts
On November 20 2013 05:52 TheRabidDeer wrote: NCIS is the most popular show in the states and gets ~20 million viewers. I am curious though, do other countries publish viewer numbers? I would be interested in seeing World Cup numbers. I know that in the US in 2010 ABC + univision reported 20 million viewers combined, but also that soccer isnt incredibly popular in the states. How do the numbers compare in other countries? World Cup finals + Olympic Games intro is my guess for the things pulling the highest concurrent viewers. I understand people questioning Riot's documentation tbh - I don't understand that people haven't started to ask for that documentation before now though - for other games as well. Edit: maybe we're going a bit off-topic here? | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
On November 20 2013 06:01 cLutZ wrote: Just saying. More people talk about Breaking Bad than watch it. Its like Baseball, Louie, The Newsroom, 30 Rock, etc. TV critics in LA/NYC love them and write about them all day. Meanwhile Basketball, Walking Dead, Game of Thrones, Big Bang, etc actually get eyeballs. I think a lot more ended up watching it, they just dont have cable so they find other ways to watch it. On November 20 2013 06:02 EquilasH wrote: World Cup finals + Olympic Games intro is my guess for the things pulling the highest concurrent viewers. I understand people questioning Riot's documentation tbh - I don't understand that people haven't started to ask for that documentation before now though - for other games as well. Edit: maybe we're going a bit off-topic here? Before now it was mostly stream numbers, so you couldn't lie unless you hid the viewer numbers. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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Takkara
United States2503 Posts
I'd love for these numbers to be true, but it is so nuts when you start to put into context just how much 32 million people actually is. I know that companies like Blizzard cannot falsify information about the number of WoW subscribers, because of the legal implications of releasing false information to potential investors. Does anyone know if these numbers fall under that category? In other words, do these numbers have to be honestly sourced in case the company is sued or audited? EDIT: Also curious, does anyone know if the numbers from The Invitational included Chinese TV viewers? | ||
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EquilasH
Denmark2142 Posts
On November 20 2013 06:05 TheRabidDeer wrote: I think a lot more ended up watching it, they just dont have cable so they find other ways to watch it. Before now it was mostly stream numbers, so you couldn't lie unless you hid the viewer numbers. I believe a large part (if not the majority) of DotA2 numbers came from people watching from the client. I'm not 100% sure, but I remember reading something about that after TI2. | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On November 20 2013 06:06 Takkara wrote: On balance, Scoots isn't just skeptical of the LoL numbers. He's been skeptical and curious about any number figures that come out from MLG, DH, etc. The numbers are advertising points, but it is very hard to verify what people say. I don't think he's being biased against LoL. I'd love for these numbers to be true, but it is so nuts when you start to put into context just how much 32 million people actually is. I know that companies like Blizzard cannot falsify information about the number of WoW subscribers, because of the legal implications of releasing false information to potential investors. Does anyone know if these numbers fall under that category? In other words, do these numbers have to be honestly sourced in case the company is sued or audited? EDIT: Also curious, does anyone know if the numbers from The Invitational included Chinese TV viewers? Riot Games is privately majority held by #1 Chinaman conglomeration giant Tencent of QQ fame | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
On November 20 2013 06:06 Takkara wrote: On balance, Scoots isn't just skeptical of the LoL numbers. He's been skeptical and curious about any number figures that come out from MLG, DH, etc. The numbers are advertising points, but it is very hard to verify what people say. I don't think he's being biased against LoL. I'd love for these numbers to be true, but it is so nuts when you start to put into context just how much 32 million people actually is. I know that companies like Blizzard cannot falsify information about the number of WoW subscribers, because of the legal implications of releasing false information to potential investors. Does anyone know if these numbers fall under that category? In other words, do these numbers have to be honestly sourced in case the company is sued or audited? then again we've known for months now that League has more than 40 Million players, was it? It doesn't seem farfetched to think that almost everyone at least tuned into the finals at least for a few minutes since you had the in-client notification and the hype in general. What most critics seem to doubt is the the 8.5 Million concurrent number when all the western platforms barely hit 1Million across all plattforms. But as you said to put it into perspective that China has 1.6 Friggn Billion People (7.5M ppl=0.47%) and we know how hugely popular it is in South Korea. Personally I can certainly believe that so many tuned in to watch China vs Korea at a good time ( early-late afternoon for Asia afaik) | ||
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Amethyst21
Canada7032 Posts
On November 20 2013 06:06 Takkara wrote: On balance, Scoots isn't just skeptical of the LoL numbers. He's been skeptical and curious about any number figures that come out from MLG, DH, etc. The numbers are advertising points, but it is very hard to verify what people say. I don't think he's being biased against LoL. I'd love for these numbers to be true, but it is so nuts when you start to put into context just how much 32 million people actually is. I know that companies like Blizzard cannot falsify information about the number of WoW subscribers, because of the legal implications of releasing false information to potential investors. Does anyone know if these numbers fall under that category? In other words, do these numbers have to be honestly sourced in case the company is sued or audited? EDIT: Also curious, does anyone know if the numbers from The Invitational included Chinese TV viewers? I think, off the top of my head that the TI stats were w/o Chinese TV #s. There is very little incentive for RIOT to lie about these numbers. Sure it makes a nice headline, but its not even a big enough headline to get mainstream coverage. The entire point of releasing these numbers is to draw sponsor interest. And if you think a big time sponsor like Ford, or Pepsi or whatever is just going to look at that ongamers article say...'seems legit' and then pull up RIOT HQ with a bundle of cash, well I've got a Nigerian prince that needs some cash.... No, they are going to ask for the specific numbers from each country, broken down by provider and maybe they aren't going to be too displeased if the numbers come to 28 million instead of 32, but if its 20 million instead of 32 these companies are going to laugh, and take their cash elsewhere. Thus, I truly believe that these numbers are at least reasonably close to accurate, because no the e-Sports media is never going to get access to the hard data but those who are interested in sponsoring certainly will | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
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Takkara
United States2503 Posts
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On November 20 2013 06:15 AsnSensation wrote: then again we've known for months now that League has more than 40 Million players, was it? It doesn't seem farfetched to think that almost everyone at least tuned into the finals at least for a few minutes since you had the in-client notification and the hype in general. What most critics seem to doubt is the the 8.5 Million concurrent number when all the western platforms barely hit 1Million across all plattforms. But as you said to put it into perspective that China has 1.6 Friggn Billion People (7.5M ppl=0.47%) and we know how hugely popular it is in South Korea. Personally I can certainly believe that so many tuned in to watch China vs Korea at a good time ( early-late afternoon for Asia afaik) I accidentally clicked on the stupid button past the signin page today. It's so stupid that the client enlarges and 90% of it after it pops up in enlarged state is a link. | ||
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Kupon3ss
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